ThatGuy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I guess this is Trudeau's "I AM NOT SPARTACUS" moment. Michael Also "I am not Spartacus": 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Jordan Peterson urging the protestors to "Accept their victory" and go home, on the heels of the emergency proclamation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 TG, I love Jordan Peterson but two comments. 1. Who is it who asked him to make this message? He said he "had been asked." (And, as an aside, how much money was involved?) 2. As to the truckers packing up and going home without the vax mandates being dropped, fuck him. Seriously. All that crap he said was a victory was not what the truckers were seeking. What victory? They want freedom, not political power. So fuck him. He needs to get back to being awesome. Michael 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: TG, I love Jordan Peterson but two comments. 1. Who is it who asked him to make this message? He said he "had been asked." (And, as an aside, how much money was involved?) 2. As to the truckers packing up and going home without the vax mandates being dropped, fuck him. Seriously. All that crap he said was a victory was not what the truckers were seeking. What victory? They want freedom, not political power. So fuck him. He needs to get back to being awesome. Michael I was wondering the same...but just now, saw this (posted 21 minutes ago by Peterson, and I shared that video about an hour ago), so wondering if he's having second thoughts about that video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, ThatGuy said: ... so wondering if he's having second thoughts about that video... TG, Even if he is, I still say to his proposal, fuck him. We need people like Jordan to teach us how to question, think deeply about issues and grow internally. When there is a battle going on, though, he's the last person who should be involved. For that, we need badasses at negotiating and fighting. I just don't see Jordan walking out into the middle of a street against a tank and dare it to fire on him. I bet some of those truckers would, though. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlylogical Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: TG, Even if he is, I still say to his proposal, fuck him. We need people like Jordan to teach us how to question, think deeply about issues and grow internally. When there is a battle going on, though, he's the last person who should be involved. For that, we need badasses at negotiating and fighting. I just don't see Jordan walking out into the middle of a street against a tank and dare it to fire on him. I bet some of those truckers would, though. Michael Guess we should add Canada to the official North American map of Dumbfuckistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Just because you institute martial law doesn’t mean you aren’t a champion for ‘democracy’ , one of the world’s or better yet the West’s most precious examples of democracy is being threatened , don’t say Brenda isn’t doing what they can Canada to give $500M loan, send $7.8M in lethal weapons to Ukraine: Trudeau WWW.CTVNEWS.CA Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada will provide a $500-million loan and $7.8 million worth of lethal equipment and ammunition to Ukraine as the threat of a Russian invasion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Wishful thinking, or prescient? I guess we'll know soon enough... (place your bets...your guess is as good as mine...) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, ThatGuy said: Wishful thinking, or prescient? I guess we'll know soon enough... (place your bets...your guess is as good as mine...) Totally agree. The people are not standing down, they are standing up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Jordan Peterson is right. The truckers and their self-restraint hold the moral high ground still, they accomplished some ends and displayed the power of the people, demonstrating they could rise again if need be. They inspired similar world wide peaceable movements. When the pressure gets ramped up, anything can happen, something I've seen. The military presence and a few hot heads who decide to take them on, is all it needs to compromise or obliterate the original purpose with escalating violence. In which the truckers will have no chance. This cause should not be about creating martyrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlylogical Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Marc said: Totally agree. The people are not standing down, they are standing up. Only the so called Misogynists, Nazi's, Racists, and white supremacists are standing up ... I jest...but not really although smeared by false labels, these identify a small sector of real world "grass roots" individuals who still understand hard work, mutual respect, and freedom... this sits around 25% of Canada, and if you include moderates who cling to the vestiges of Enlightenment ideals, perhaps 35% at MOST. [Jesus aren't 65% of the population in Govt or quasi govt? perhaps I exagerate] Canada has been a SOCIALIST nation for DECADES and the vast majority of the sheep have been drinking the kool-aid with gusto... You think American schools are full of Marxist indoctrination? You think American institutions are plagued with collectivist ideas and tendencies? you ain't seen nothin Canada is the definition of a Backward, Elitist, regressively Leftist banana republic. It's an absolute cesspool of Corruption and Statism (Crony Socialism). 35% are cheering some 1% who are standing up... the other 65% of Canada are CHEERING inside for the King of Canada, recent polls show they are unhappy... but it's not because "freedom".... but because he took so long to take the "deplorables", those upstarts, down. How DARE they stand up to the STATE ... the sallow spiritually decrepit average Canadian mocks... [even though inside they die a little with jealousy knowing they should be standing up for their own freedoms] ... how DARE anyone else show up their moral ineptitude and cowardice with justice and courage... how dare anyone try to rise above their own pitiful self-loathsome state... Someone knows that he has the sheeple... this is why he invoked the Dictator's Act. So in response to the OP: Naw... SOME people are standing up... the rest are sneering in envious rage "throw them all in jail and throw away the key". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, anthony said: Jordan Peterson is right. The truckers and their self-restraint hold the moral high ground still, they accomplished some ends and displayed the power of the people, demonstrating they could rise again if need be. They inspired similar world wide peaceable movements. When the pressure gets ramped up, anything can happen, something I've seen. The military presence and a few hot heads who decide to take them on, is all it needs to compromise or obliterate the original purpose with escalating violence. In which the truckers will have no chance. This cause should not be about creating martyrs. Tony, This is interesting. Notice how floating abstractions float? Nobody is arguing for creating martyrs. Yet the float moves it to that meaning. So let's clarify and eliminate the float. The problem is the implied "Give up, go home, and submit to authority," part that people--at least me--are objecting to. You only do that after you win, not in the middle of things. Would you like to watch a soccer game (is it soccer in South Africa?) where a team is winning and just walks off the field while the game is still running to celebrate? Heh... Jordan could have made his view clear by adding something like the following to his comments, "So, in addition to a great job so far, truckers, please keep to your post for as long as you deem valuable. It's your right." But that doesn't float. And, probably, whoever asked Jordan to say what he said would not be pleased. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Strictlylogical said: Only the so called Misogynists, Nazi's, Racists, and white supremacists are standing up ... I jest...but not really although smeared by false labels, these identify a small sector of real world "grass roots" individuals who still understand hard work, mutual respect, and freedom... this sits around 25% of Canada, and if you include moderates who cling to the vestiges of Enlightenment ideals, perhaps 35% at MOST. [Jesus aren't 65% of the population in Govt or quasi govt? perhaps I exagerate] Canada has been a SOCIALIST nation for DECADES and the vast majority of the sheep have been drinking the kool-aid with gusto... You think American schools are full of Marxist indoctrination? You think American institutions are plagued with collectivist ideas and tendencies? you ain't seen nothin Canada is the definition of a Backward, Elitist, regressively Leftist banana republic. It's an absolute cesspool of Corruption and Statism (Crony Socialism). 35% are cheering some 1% who are standing up... the other 65% of Canada are CHEERING inside for the King of Canada, recent polls show they are unhappy... but it's not because "freedom".... but because he took so long to take the "deplorables", those upstarts, down. How DARE they stand up to the STATE ... the sallow spiritually decrepit average Canadian mocks... [even though inside they die a little with jealousy knowing they should be standing up for their own freedoms] ... how DARE anyone else show up their moral ineptitude and cowardice with justice and courage... how dare anyone try to rise above their own pitiful self-loathsome state... Someone knows that he has the sheeple... this is why he invoked the Dictator's Act. So in response to the OP: Naw... SOME people are standing up... the rest are sneering in envious rage "throw them all in jail and throw away the key". I dont agree at all. Im in Toronto and there are demonstrations here and in many cities across Canada but Canadians are not supporting Trudeau at all. I speak to so many people across Canada and I have literally not heard a single soul who dies not repeat the mantra about how insane this is. Everyone is on side except the real fringe group that is pro Trudeau at this point. If you look at the Instagram account the six which is a Toronto account you can read the comments and see for yourself an example of support from the younger crowd. The only sneering is towards the Governments response to the movement. This has totally unified this country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Michael: Comes a point, one has won one's point. The secret is knowing when to retire gracefully. Political change, no - that's been clearly verbalized, the trucker spokesmen said they are not inviting politicians on board. They had a narrower goal, the removal of mandates. For that, they have attracted attention and gained results. Under it, they and their many countrymen have asserted they won't be forgotten and pushed around by Ottawa any more. We are not your sacrificial animals, in effect. A show of people-force sends shivers down autocratic spines. The Gvt. weakness has been that it cravenly had to resort to threatening the military against peaceful protestors. Trudeau et al will not be allowed to live that down. I reckon they've won. However, from here, it could quickly go down hill and blow or weaken their moral standing of "peaceful protestors". Vengeful socialists like nothing more than putting down resistance by the 'ungrateful citizens'. Not floating abstractions, very realistic and predictable consequences. Known from history in many countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlylogical Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Marc said: I dont agree at all. Im in Toronto and there are demonstrations here and in many cities across Canada but Canadians are not supporting Trudeau at all. I speak to so many people across Canada and I have literally not heard a single soul who dies not repeat the mantra about how insane this is. Everyone is on side except the real fringe group that is pro Trudeau at this point. If you look at the Instagram account the six which is a Toronto account you can read the comments and see for yourself an example of support from the younger crowd. The only sneering is towards the Governments response to the movement. This has totally unified this country. I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see how this plays out… at least this is an inspiration for all freedom loving people of the World, and hopefully reverberation after reverberation this will spread in a manner not even the Globalist Cabal can put down effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Strictlylogical said: 35% are cheering some 1% who are standing up... the other 65% of Canada are CHEERING inside for the King of Canada, recent polls show they are unhappy... but it's not because "freedom".... but because he took so long to take the "deplorables", those upstarts, down. 1 hour ago, Strictlylogical said: Naw... SOME people are standing up... the rest are sneering in envious rage "throw them all in jail and throw away the key". 20 minutes ago, Marc said: I dont agree at all. Im in Toronto and there are demonstrations here and in many cities across Canada but Canadians are not supporting Trudeau at all. I speak to so many people across Canada and I have literally not heard a single soul who dies not repeat the mantra about how insane this is. Everyone is on side except the real fringe group that is pro Trudeau at this point. If you look at the Instagram account the six which is a Toronto account you can read the comments and see for yourself an example of support from the younger crowd. The only sneering is towards the Governments response to the movement. This has totally unified this country. "The Painfully Obvious Solution to the Drama in Canada" "Justin Trudeau could rescind the junk-science mandates and the trucking flow between Canada and the United States would be rolling almost immediately. He wouldn’t get to play boy king if he did that, however. "In the headline, I referred to an 'obvious solution,' singular. I was thinking of the short term. "For the long term, people may want to revisit their voting choices. There are plenty of liberals whose lives have been adversely affected by the leftists COVID tyrants. If they keep voting the way they’ve been voting, they’ll find that karma has a tendency to metastasize." The Morning Briefing: The Painfully Obvious Solution to the Drama in Canada PJMEDIA.COM Top O’ the Briefing Happy Tuesday, dear Kruiser Morning Briefing friends. The ox never wonders why the fish can’t fly. At no point that I... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, anthony said: Michael: Comes a point, one has won one's point. The secret is knowing when to retire gracefully. Political change, no - that's been clearly verbalized, the trucker spokesmen said they are not inviting politicians on board. They had a narrower goal, the removal of mandates. For that, they have attracted attention and gained results. Under it, they and their many countrymen have asserted they won't be forgotten and pushed around by Ottawa any more. We are not your sacrificial animals, in effect. A show of people-force sends shivers down autocratic spines. The Gvt. weakness has been that it cravenly had to resort to threatening the military against peaceful protestors. Trudeau et al will not be allowed to live that down. I reckon they've won. However, from here, it could quickly go down hill and blow or weaken their moral standing of "peaceful protestors". Vengeful socialists like nothing more than putting down resistance by the 'ungrateful citizens'. Not floating abstractions, very realistic and predictable consequences. Known from history in Four provinces now including Ontario have stopped mandates or on the verge of. Even freaking Quebec is not supporting Trudeaus martial law. The military is not going to act against Canadians and the Ottawa police have in effect stood down. This is the beginning, not the end. " retiring gracefully" at this point is like the allied soldiers leaving Normandy after 3/4 days and saying lets go home. Zero chance of that happening. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Strictlylogical said: I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see how this plays out… at least this is an inspiration for all freedom loving people of the World, and hopefully reverberation after reverberation this will spread in a manner not even the Globalist Cabal can put down effectively. Yes sir!! Saw a video today from a former RCMP ( I think ) dude who said that there have been 2000 guns stolen from a small city in Ontario and have been planted in Ottawa. False flsg stuff, who know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Peterson thinks they won? The protesters have not won yet. Not while things like this are happening. Not while a dictator is still in charge. You don't treat an infection by completing the antiobiotics course early, or else it comes back stronger. To go home now would be compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, anthony said: Comes a point, one has won one's point. The secret is knowing when to retire gracefully. Tony, The only response I have to this is the following: 24 minutes ago, Marc said: This is the beginning, not the end. Here in the USA, we had a politician in olden revolutionary times, Patrick Henry, who said: Quote Gentlemen may cry, Peace, peace! But there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! That spirit is still alive in heartland America. It looks like a polite version of it is alive and more than well in Canada. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Canadian Civil Liberties Association states that the government has not met the Emergenies Act threshold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Ottawa Police Chief, Peter Sloly has resigned. Talk about retiring gracefully! The dominos keep falling, this is not the moment to fall back, this is the moment to double down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlylogical Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Marc said: Ottawa Police Chief, Peter Sloly has resigned. Talk about retiring gracefully! The dominos keep falling, this is not the moment to fall back, this is the moment to double down. Don't take this too much as a victory. He is likely resigning because of the criticism by the totalitarians who wanted to quash this thing quicker... who wanted him to tell his force to act illegally i.e. violate the rights of the protestors, in order to "clear up" the "occupation". He is falling because he was more moderate and law abiding than his detractors... his "ouster", the manner and reasons therefor, are nothing to celebrate. Some low IQ, goose-stepping, lapdog will take likely be appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Strictlylogical said: Don't take this too much as a victory. He is likely resigning because of the criticism by the totalitarians who wanted to quash this thing quicker... who wanted him to tell his force to act illegally i.e. violate the rights of the protestors, in order to "clear up" the "occupation". He is falling because he was more moderate and law abiding than his detractors... his "ouster", the manner and reasons therefor, are nothing to celebrate. Some low IQ, goose-stepping, lapdog will take likely be appointed. Thats exactly my point about retiring gracefully. The only victory will be the actual victory. Nothing less. This is only one more brick in the wall that is being removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlylogical Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Just now, Marc said: Thats exactly my point about retiring gracefully. The only victory will be the actual victory. Nothing less. This is only one more brick in the wall that is being removed. Replaced... with a worse brick IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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