Ukraine and Endless War for Profit


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20 hours ago, Marc said:

Because he owns them.

Follow the money.

 

Worse. I believe "he owns them" because they know he knows where the skeletons are buried. Things to prove this war was a partial set-up.

When whistle-blowers begin emerging, revealing the background doings, writing books and exposes, things will get interesting.

(Apparently, avaricious people holding power are little held responsible for corruption and grift, and don't feel the slightest shame when caught out. )

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Worse. I believe "he owns them" because they know he knows where the skeletons are buried. Things to prove this war was a partial set-up.

When whistle-blowers begin emerging, revealing the background doings, writing books and exposes, things will get interesting.

(Apparently, avaricial people holding power are little held responsible for corruption and grift, and don't feel the slightest shame when caught out. )

Very well stated.

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"Butterfly" anti-personnel mines scattered in [Russian occupied/'liberated'] Donetsk city:

Who to believe?

THIS?

 

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(2/5) Russia is highly likely deploying anti-personnel mines to protect and deter freedom of movement along its defensive lines in the Donbas. These mines have the potential to inflict widespread casualties amongst both the military and the local civilian population.

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What a difference a day (6 months) makes... The new war logic: When you're not losing, before major hostilities, rightly agree to a peace negotiation; when you are plainly losing, have lost so much and the situation is worsening, reject it.

The civilised world is in the hands of reckless infants with 'feelings'..

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According to his press secretary Sergey Nikoforov, consultations are underway about the place and time of the negotiations

13 August /22

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Kiev says it has “no motives” to engage in talks with Russia since it would mean the de-facto defeat of Ukraine and Europe

 

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It starts.

This is from WaPo (through Stars and Stripes).

Ukraine’s Zelensky faces unprecedented criticism over war warnings

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Comments President Volodymyr Zelensky made justifying his decision to not share with Ukrainians details of repeated U.S. warnings that Russia planned to invade triggered a cascade of public criticism...

Zelensky's people are turning on him for lying.

Before too long, the Deep State will follow. 

Michael

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16 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

It starts.

This is from WaPo (through Stars and Stripes).

Ukraine’s Zelensky faces unprecedented criticism over war warnings

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Comments President Volodymyr Zelensky made justifying his decision to...

Zelensky's people are turning on him for lying.

Before too long, the Deep State will follow. 

Michael

Then he will go from a hero to a villain in two shakes of a lamb's tail.

Wait till they do Biden next.

 

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I get the distinct feeling or impression that Biden and all things ‘Biden’ has a different motivation . The promotion and protection of the skinflint in Chief has a more ‘rub your face in it’ aspect to it.

’They’ are reacting to the bottom up popularity and promotion of MAGA and all things MAGA adjacent with a top down imposition of an irredeemable character , like a top down twist to the adage of getting the government you deserve.

Zelensky served his purpose and is nearing the limit of his shelf life , Biden and the ‘fact of Biden’ is still quite operable. Biden as humiliation still has gas in the tank and utility.

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You mean, not even the Ukraine citizens knew war was coming? 

So the well-known military build-up and training by Kyiv, with help from its friends, into one of the largest Armies in Europe was all for fun. Right. One cannot believe this dissembler, Zelensky was assured and knew Putin would *have to* invade, in defense and pre-emptively over the Donbas - and believed Ukraine would WIN (with a little help from his friends). 

All, so he could avoid giving in to an agreement.

Looking forward: where is the way out? Not with negotiations - that is plain.

It's quite a thing when I firmly agree with a socialist (and very sharp thinker): Caitlin Johnstone. Sure, it's about the "ordinary people".

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Footage shows Ukrainian citizen Natalya Vovk entering and leaving the country after assassinating Darya Dugina
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Kiev is behind the deadly car bombing outside Moscow, Russia says

 

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Here is Tim Poole clutching pearls about it being a possible Archduke Ferdinand moment (the guys who's assassination sparked World War One), but, once he left that frame, he also talked a lot of sense in terms of how Russia and the world is going to respond to this.

It's one thing to kill the populist dude. It's another to kill his family.

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Unless this was a false flag in Russia to gin up support (which I seriously doubt knowing what Russians do to people like that who attack one of their insiders :) ), whoever did this attack did not think it through.

And that makes me think it's the same incompetent fools who run the Deep State, globalism, Ukraine money laundering, pedophile blackmail schemes, and so on. 

These fools get competent killers, meaning guns and bombs, but also including killers in the pharmaceutical industry. But they themselves are idiots and the world is blowing up right in their faces because of their own stupidity.

Michael

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On 8/5/2022 at 4:14 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The problem with understanding evil like Bellingcat is that there has to be some truth involved in order for it to mask the evil.

Indeed.

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On 5/10/2022 at 10:36 AM, william.scherk said:
On 5/7/2022 at 5:35 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

William,

Just as curiosity, do you ever have any empathy for the Russians or Russian sympathizers in Ukraine who have been harmed or killed by Ukrainians? [...]

Audio response ...

 

 

 

I forgot that I did not offer a text version to Michael's "Do You Ever Have Any Empathy ... ?" query.

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On 5/7/2022 at 5:35 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

William,

Just as curiosity, do you ever have any empathy for the Russians or Russian sympathizers in Ukraine who have been harmed or killed by Ukrainians?

 

William responded:

Let's unpack the question. First, it's both pointed and non-specific.  Do I ever have empathy for two vague classes of people subject to harm or killing? Yes, and more specifically, yes and yes. By "Russians [...] in Ukraine," I take it as a blend of Russian-speaking/possibly bilingual ordinary community members in the under-Russian-command parts of Ukraine, and across the span of time since, say, the break-out of hostilities post Orange Revolution. 

Yes. Ordinary folks who have had no direct hand in initiating violence, these are truly victims of war, and in many cases, victims of war-crimes.

Russian-sympathizers is too vague, harms too vague. Killed by summary execution as a prisoner of war: war crime. Civilian shot to death on the side of the road: War crime. We should never lose a sense of horror when such wanton civilian destruction occurs. 

So, what happened, what happens, what next, whither Russia on its great day of victory?

One of my entries into ordinary Russia is via a couple of handfuls of Russians in and out of Russia who maintain YouTube channels (and often Telegram channels as well). A couple of bookends to that group is a 27 year-old with the channel 1420. I've linked to him earlier to contrast his approach to 'man on the street' interviews against the three other channels I had mentioned. One from the last week, "How do Russians feel about Ukraine":


The other bookend is a Russian fellow currentyl traveling in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.  He is the most intellectual and the most didactic of my collection, since he only rarely takes himself outside.  I get a sense, from a distance, that he is a good guy, not despite his politics, but because of his politics. He too empathizes with those from Donbass harmed most by displacement, with no parents.

[Video of buying supplies for orphans and mothers.]

I follow those who follow Russian media and have tended to follow their recommendations for both English-language and Russian language reporting, from both inside and outside Russia. 

I like to ask questions of myself in the range of "what is going on" from the level of personal stories through to opinion and historical analyses and the horrible timeline of the present conflict.

When Nixon "went to Russia," so did our pirouetting PM. Same with China. And Farley Mowatt had been to Russia and came back with "Sibir" a big fat book for the ages.  I got my interests in Russia and the Slavic world around then, '73 - '74. Wonky old William. All he was missing was empathy.

More seriously, my first introduction to the Russian world was from my namesake Uncle, five years my elder and rather precocious. He had a Buddhist shrine, some dumb Lobsang Rampa paperbacks and a big paperback Russian Made Simple.  Loved learning the alphabet and sounding out Russian in my mouth and I would then have been about eight when I realized Russia was the 'other guy' around the Arctic.  We had relationships. The Russians were a grand empire with a vast history and a global sweep of power and glory.  If some trepidation and disgust here and there as with Czechoslavakia's foiled Prague Spring back and the ruthlessly put down Hungarian uprising. As ever, Canada took in what refugees we could.  Russian-sphere emigrés and emigrés and displaced people from so many conflicts have peopled our lands.

Farley Mowatt's book made a great impression if Trudeau's visit did not and next on the impression list is the awareness of Jewish emigration and anti-Jewish policies in the Soviet Union, and the use of Israel as a 'pressure-valve' for dissidents.  Huge numbers of people moved to Israel (and some thence to the greater West, including Canada). 

This alongside the concurrent wars I have observed during the fifty years I paid attention to the globe.

Ukraine is, yes, in addition a tragic symbol for Canadians. Second to Russia itself, we have a huge Ukrainian ethnic entity within our mosaic, larger in total than the USA. Of all the former Soviet states in the neighbourhood, Ukraine had suffered calamities from within and without at the greatest scale over time. The forced collectivization and confiscation that led to the Holodomor is important historical memory.  It's family memory.  My step-grandparents were both displaced people (refugees of the time) from Ukraine and Hungary.

The big flat slab of lebensraum, the new Comintern metallurgical complex, the site of massive deportations and refugee flows -- and the greater neighbourhood -- is something to be understood. I don't pretend to stand in judgement above everything, and I struggle to be objective and not haunted by the feeling of dread and horror. I am not quite as horrified as I was by the wholesale destruction of civilian life during phases of the war in Syria. 

How does one person get to a general and particular understanding?  All that we can ask of ourselves, I guess, is to hew to whatever principles we have had down the decades. 

I don't see Ukraine and Russia as equally diabolical, balanced perfectly. My sympathies extend to Russians, both Russian-Canadians and civilian Russian-speaking people in the region that has been most contested since the first shots fired. In Donetsk and Luhansk.  They have been used and abused and subject to military occupation and mobilization not of their choosing. 

So, Michael. I share, now and again. I don't try to dominate any discussion. I share my questions at times. I am questioning the 'out there' state of the world. 

Below, you seem to be inquiring into or judging my character within a courtroom and putting forth a psychic read-out of my interior world.

It's not inviting to discussion or dispute in detail, because to entertain the somewhat accusatory observations posing as questions  is to devolve into psychic-psychological and moral probes or what-have-you Hog calling.

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The tenor from your posts is that Russians are not human. So whether they live or die is irrelevant. That may not be your position, but that's what your posts communicate.

And just to remind you, as given in countless posts on this thread, my stance is that the war must end through peaceful means if possible because ALL war casualties are to be grieved.

I find war casualties--on all sides--committed due to the machinations of the Deep State not only grieving-worthy, they are morally offensive to me at a primal level since they are manipulated deaths for money. They are pointless except for those who want the money. Those are the ones I see you give a pass to if they are on the Russian side. Those deaths don't count.

Is that your position?

btw - This effect comes from omission. When one constantly ignores a grievous wrong on one side in a dichotomy, while showing constant moral outrage of the same grievous wrong on the other side, the communication effect is sanction of the grievous wrong if it is carried out by the favored side.

Michael

 

EDIT: To be even clearer, both sides are wrong in these hostilities. One wrong does not make a right on the other side. The enemy is the endless war for profit machine, not Russia and not Ukraine, although both are acting despicably in this war. (The governments, not the people.)

 

So, what if the record shows that Ukrainian civilians are being taken against their will into settlements across Russia?  Now that I explicitly avow a species kinship with Sergey and Valeria and the other folks mentioned and unmentioned. Now that I explicitly express what stab at empathy my feeble heart can withstand.

Yeah, no. I stand more with the defense of Ukraine and yet still feel also deeply for Russian civilians who are left without agency.  They did not ask for this. Donetsk and Luhansk did not ask for this. Mariupol -- a fine Russian-speaking place -- did not ask for this. 

I don't claim any special insights, and I cannot predict outcomes, but I speculate that whatever takes hold once a ceasefire is observed, Russia will maintain forces forward and that this edge of Europe will have another 'frozen conflict.'  What a useless prize for the Russian leadership.

So one question above was the question I shared, which seems to have not made an impression.

I cannot say if I answered the question/s of ignorance, evasion, and other turpitudes ... to everyone's satisfaction.  

I would be satisfied with a straightforward answer to:  How to end the war in Ukraine?

My peaceful ending would be a wide-ranging treaty between two states. If they can agree on de facto borders and end hostilities and siege ... that's maybe more realistic. 

The costs of war are always human, Michael. For those who you might consider foolish, gullible, morally repugnant supporters of Ukraine, even those lost souls can calculate human costs.  

The English-language Russian YouTube account links did not survive the Blakify process, but here I add them:

  • Different Russia (Valerya Kovtunova, Moscow region, non-political)
  • 1420 / Niki Proshin (interviews, man on the street, carefully observing the new Russian laws)
  • Bakylov Live / Real Russia (pre-2022) (Sergey shows off the beauty of St Petersburg and Moscow, with a bit of jingoism.
  • Inside Russia (Constantin in Rostov-on-Don) -- a guy with a lot of experience inside and outside Russia, carefully observing the restrictions on free speech.
  • Dan Sheeraz (Moscow and dacha family life)

Constantin's latest live broadcast, from today:

 

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4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

These fools get competent killers, meaning guns and bombs, but also including killers in the pharmaceutical industry. But they themselves are idiots and the world is blowing up right in their faces because of their own stupidity.

Michael,

I don’t agree with that evaluation.  I think that "these fools," as you call them, are deliberately trying to have the world blow up (so to speak).  They want radical population reduction and a "New World Order" with them as rulers.  They're very evil but far from being idiots.

Ellen

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2 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Michael,

I don’t agree with that evaluation.  I think that "these fools," as you call them, are deliberately trying to have the world blow up (so to speak).  They want radical population reduction and a "New World Order" with them as rulers.  They're very evil but far from being idiots.

Ellen

Ellen,

I agree with this, too. I think the predator class is full of the cunning and the idiots. But they are now starting to fight each other and starting to take each other down.

Zelensky, for example, ain't one of the cunning any more.

Bannon himself said Zelensky better get a food taster. Maybe a body double.

He's on the CIA shit-list because he's outlived his usefulness.

He's primed to learn they lesson Diem learned in Vietnam.

:)

Michael

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“We were actually preparing for the war from December 2019, and all the claims that we were not dealing with it are absolutely out of touch with reality,” he was quoted as saying. “If we did not prepare for war, today Russian tanks would be in Warsaw, Prague, Tallinn and Vilnius.” [A. Danilov]

 

 

 

If it's no longer the (surprised - shocked!) "innocent" victim of an "unprovoked, unjustified" invasion by a brutal aggressor, in the global public minds, how will Ukraine's govt. be thought of when the facts gradually come in? Not so blithely unaware, after all. Cynical and malicious? Dirty? 

Almost weekly, further leaks of Kiev's prescient anticipation "for the war", not looking to avert conflict, negotiate, nor pursue peaceful options.

Evidence - provided by Ukraine Govt. and other officials needing to brag openly to brainwashed listeners about their premeditation to engage war with Russia, inviting one in fact. (Protecting Warsaw, Europe, Democracy, etc.etc. from Putin - their thin justification which the West has swallowed whole in its pathetic fearfulness. Anybody with sense could earlier tell Putin's forces were not intending to conquer - more, would never be able to permanently occupy and "absorb" the greater Ukraine - let alone European nations.).

Only gearing up "since 2019"? The training by outside advisers and instructors, arming and preparations were taking place long before that. Apart from the (dismissed by Kyiv) 2014/15 agreements there was a long period for the EU, NATO, the UN to intervene and prevent the widening of a civil war into general warfare - and didn't. Now Kyiv's government and military is getting what it asked for, in rough justice. It's their people the sacrificial pawns in the conflict who don't deserve being cannon fodder.

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Tony,

And here is the concrete result of all that.

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Of course, this does not apply to the predator class. This is just about the people in general.

1. The West is suffering. (That's what was looted.)

2. The Ukraine is getting back to normal with ballets, restaurants, and so on. It was never about the war anyway, it was only about money laundering.

3. Russia's economy is booming.

 

That stinks. But that's way way it is.

You won't see that in the mainstream press, but those are the facts.

Europe is going to have to settle in for a cold-ass winter and the USA is going to face down one bitch of an inflation.

The rich insiders in both places got richer...

The truth is, they couldn't give a flying fuck about Russia. Nor about Ukraine (except for the money laundromats.)

Now that the money is good over in Russia, you can be sure the rich insiders are trying to figure out how to get a piece...

Michael

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Michael, hard times ahead.

Must mention in passing how amazed I am at the belligerent British. They are completely out of touch with reality and have come out as the biggest warmongers (with Liz Truss, the probable incoming PM, the biggest chest-thumper) of all.

I've regularly read the conservative The Telegraph, and their deliberate lies and fabrications about the progress of the war and whitewashing of Zelensky.

A today's sample of the British wet, wishful thinking by one of their pundits, on how to end this war faster - naturally, no mention of seeking a truce and saving Ukrainians.

We only have to refuse Russians travel visas to Europe! It would "harm the Kremlin". How simple is that! Maybe this writer too is collecting off the money train. Nothing much surprises me anymore how quickly people can sell out.

 

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46 minutes ago, anthony said:

Must mention in passing how amazed I am at the belligerent British. They are completely out of touch with reality and have come out as the biggest warmongers (with Liz Truss, the probable incoming PM, the biggest chest-thumper) of all.

I've regularly read the conservative The Telegraph, and their deliberate lies and fabrications about the progress of the war and whitewashing of Zelensky.


Tony,

Maybe this article would help with understanding sentiment in the UK and Canada.

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If you want to understand why the UK and Canada are so hard over in their support for Ukraine, you have to look back to the end of World War II. Ukrainians were recruited and inducted into the Waffen-SS Division...

The concluding paragraph of the (long) article:

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The Nazi legacy in the Ukraine lives on in the UK and Canada. The grandchildren of those men have not rejected the sordid history of their ancestors, they have embraced it. Keep this in mind when you consider the exhortations from Great Britain and Canada to embrace the Ukrainian cause. There is a Nazi lineage behind it.

Ellen

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The Ukraine Data Explorer can provide a sense of proportions of pre-war Ukrainian citizens living life in abundance, particularly displaced people.  

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The OCHA HDX Ukraine data explorer brings together data from multiple partners on the humanitarian impact following the Russian Federation military offensive on 24 February 2022.

Mariupol, said Harnwell, rock concerts in Mariupol. I'll have to track that down and update this comment.

Here is a high-grade propaganda outfit, if you want to check out the force of argument on the adversary's side.  Not to demonize or anything, but.

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Gallery | As the war reaches six months, the lives of countless Ukrainians have been changed by the Russian attack.

 

Something that might have been obscured by the smog of war, since Turkey brokered the agreement with Russia that de-militarized or deconflicted the passage of ships from Ukraine's remaining port facilities. Erdogan has pointedly restated Turkish policy; he is not taking Russia's side as a matter of principle, due to the Tatars issue and being the leader of the Turkic world as he styles himself.

Here's Constantin from Rostov-on-Don with a round-up of Russian allies and backstabbers, including perfidious Turkey.

Beneath the smog: 

 

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This essay best sums up the causes of events--through wishful thinking, misidentification and indoctrination. The Norwegian Professor is one of the best balanced observers I've heard and read. Like I've been remarking, there has been a dichotomous identification by 'experts' and media on the Russian army's capacity all along. We heard it is too weak and badly led to survive fighting Ukraine -or - so powerful its next invasion is Europe? Can't be both, but the contradictory positions are held simultaneously. A writer named the phenomenon "Russophrenia".

a. to build up/maintain belief in Final Victory and Putin's humiliation b. to frighten the European public into compliance. Since sacrifices were and are absolutely essential, except the reality was always going to be bleak for Ukraine, with or without their sacrifice or other nations' self-sacrifices.

A dual propaganda method very much like the Covid pandemic's handling, it worked that time for world governments' total control of their people so why change?

A piece lifted from RT because you won't see it anywhere else.

https://www.rt.com/russia/561135-russia-nato-ukraine-propaganda/

 

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War for profit (of insiders) costs real money.

Italy spent it all on Ukraine — now its Criminal Court has “suspended hearings” for lack of judges

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Italy can't hear criminal cases in court for a while because they spent the money to pay the judges on Ukraine.

It's hard to write the with a straight face. What a joke.

But wait!

There's more!

And over in Ukraine, nobody knows where the money went.

:) 

Michael

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