Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 TG, For certainty, it's all fog of war so far. The best process I have found is to look at news from people I trust to be accurate--from people on all sides. They might be wrong, but the reason will most likely not be because they are lying in your face. Until I, personally, know more about what is going on, I find it more fruitful to discover more about the Ukraine. As the saying goes, opinions in this climate are like assholes. Everybody has one. Incidentally, isn't the Crimea where Ayn Rand used to vacation as a child? That's kinda in Ukraine now. It's legal status is disputed as all hell. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 Now this. I sure hope this sucker doesn't turn out like the dominoes falling that led to World War One. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ThatGuy said: The Ukrainian government has announced it has shot down five Russian fighter jets as Vladimir Putin's forces invade the Eastern European... Interesting. I wonder where those STA missiles were manufactured? Possibly in the USA. What's next if no NATO troops directly aid Ukraine? Modern Blockades of Russia? I had heard we were on the ground of Nato allies. And we could confiscate any ships heading into or out of, Russia. Freezing of their dictators' funds? Cyber War? What can the good guys do, short of war, to put Putin back in his cage? I am not sure we can ignite sufficient internal Russian strife. Putin will murder anyone he sees as a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I sure hope this sucker doesn't turn out like the dominoes falling that led to World War One. I am not sure this is just testing the system, and not an attempt to harm Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 So, Turkey and Greece have strong disputes and talks going on. And I had no idea Turkey and Ukraine had such strong economic ties. Peter Ukraine War: The Consequences for Greece and Turkey By Tasos Kokkinidis February 23, 2022 The conflict in Ukraine will have important consequences for Greece, Turkey and the wider eastern Mediterranean region, says John Sitilides, a government affairs and geopolitical risk specialist in an exclusive interview with Greek Reporter. In the third part of the interview, Sitilides explains the position that Turkey finds itself in regarding the Ukraine dispute and examines how relations with Russia will be affected. He also analyzes Greece-Turkey relations and the role of the US in the dispute between the two NATO allies. You can read his analysis in the possibility of a Third World War and the role of the US bases in the Ukraine crisis following the links provided. How would Turkey respond to a potential war in Ukraine? Sitilides says that Turkey’s role is unique, as a NATO member and Black Sea power that enjoys working relations with both Russia and Ukraine. Even as Turkey and Russia back opposing militaries in Syria, Libya, and in the 2020 Armenia-Azerbaijan war, they have successfully compartmentalized those differences to sustain high-level communications on a range of strategic issues of shared interest, such as Turkey’s acquisition of Russia’s S-400 anti-aircraft missile system that have severely damaged Ankara’s relations with Washington, he says. However, “President Putin is furious that Turkey, the largest foreign investor in Ukraine, continues to sell Kyiv the lethal combat drones it is now using against Russian-backed separatists.” As the Greek-American analyst notes Turkey and Ukraine just signed a $10 billion free trade agreement as well as lucrative joint aircraft and jet engine production deals, and Ukraine plans to purchase Turkish battleships. On the other hand, Sitilides stresses Turkey is also heavily reliant on Russia for more than 40% of its natural gas needs, and that is expected to increase under a new bilateral energy deal. Ankara did not join the U.S. and the EU when they sanctioned Russia for the 2014 annexation of Crime . . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Playing footsie with Erdogan by canceling the EastMed Pipeline, emboldens Turkey? And annoyed Israel, Cyprus and Greece. Biden’s Handlers Ditch Greece’s EastMed Pipeline Project in Order to Appease Turkey - LIBERTY FIRST LIBERTYFIRST.ORG By Jihad Watch Biden’s handlers: forever projecting weakness on the international stage. US quietly ditches Greece’s EastMed pipeline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 John Kerry thinks the Ukraine mess has one super-tragic consequence. It is distracting the world from manmade climate change. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: John Kerry thinks the Ukraine mess has one super-tragic consequence. It is distracting the world from manmade climate change. Flashy News Flash, dumb ass John Kerry! Huge electromagnetic pulse strikes the former Soviet Union, knocking out all power. They had it coming, says Little Green Man. Some say he is an American or European operative, but he denies he is from anywhere but the nearest star in our galaxy, and not the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy. He said to reporters, "The Russians are now nearly tied with the Nazi’s for worst humans to inhabit the earth." I just saw on Fox that Generac for the last six months has had a boom in generator sales to Ukraine and Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Deaths are now being claimed and body counts reported by Ukraine...damn it.BREAKING: Putin launches 'special military operation' inside Ukraine, rockets hit Kiev Updated: February 24, 2022 - 4:22pm Ukraine's Health Minister Viktor Lyashko on Thursday evening confirmed that 57 Ukrainians have died due to the Russian incursion while 169 more were wounded, according to the Associated Press. Lyashko also said Ukrainian officials are repurposing health care facilities to have space for people in need of medical treatment due to the attack. BREAKING: Putin launches 'special military operation' inside Ukraine, rockets hit Kiev JUSTTHENEWS.COM President Biden decried the attacks as "unprovoked and unjustified" as the UN met late into the night in emergency session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 I'm watching this video right now. I am already posting it because I may not always agree with Glenn Greenwald's conclusions, I trust him in terms of facts. Tucker Carlson even trusts him like that. I have an email subscription to Lew Rockwell and they published and linked to Glenn's write-up for this video (see here and here). As the video was a livestream, the beginning is a static signal. Jump to about 4:40 for the real start. I have no idea why Glenn didn't chop that off before posting (or maybe after), but there it is. Enjoy. That is what I am doing. LIVE: The War in Ukraine RUMBLE.COM Glenn Greenwald comments on recent developments Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 That was well worth watching. I can't recommend it highly enough. I thought Glenn was going to discuss Ukrainian and Russian history and things like that, but instead, he discussed war and why Russia is there risking war. It boils down to World War Two. Germany invaded Russia through Ukraine and Russia lost over 20 million people through that. Here in the West, we normally don't think about this. We think Russia helped beat Germany and that's that. But over 20 million people are a lot of people--a lot of heartache for a lot of individual families and social bonds. So Glenn's point is that ALL Russians on ALL sides, not just Putin, are terrified of a new united Germany and a build-up of troops and weapons at Ukraine. They don't want a repeat performance. This is why it is important to Russians that Ukraine never become part of NATO. And for some goddam reason, the American politicians will not issue that guarantee. Nor will Ukraine. So, with all the drum-beating by the fake news media, the "muh Russians" hoax perpetrated by the Clinton machine over years, and a few other facts of modern political life, the situation reached a point where Putin decided to act to make sure the Ukrainian path to Russia remained harmless. Glenn also discussed how war hysteria makes people turn off their rational faculty and try to stifle dissenting views. Stifle as in not allow the dissenting views to be heard anywhere. Now, here are some things Glenn did not discuss. 1. It is easy to demonize Putin and Russia in the minds of Westerners simply because the initial goal of Communist Russia was to take over the world. The Communist government was founded with that explicitly stated and later acted on. The Communists have killed a lot of people both on this quest and off. And that makes it easy ignore Russia's fear of an invasion through Ukraine and their reasons for that fear. Well, to me, one fact does not annul the other. Both exist. Russians have full right to fear an attack through Ukraine, but Communist Russians are thugs who have been attacking other countries both covertly and internally and killing people for decades. 2. I just finished reading Laptop From Hell by Miranda Devine, the New York Post reporter who's articles on Hunter Biden's laptop were censored right before the 2020 election by social media giants. I though that book would be mostly about sleaze, drugs and perversion, but it was an eye-opener regarding international corrupt finance and how compromised Hunter Biden is financially with trading political access for money. One of the places where it stinks is Ukraine and not just Burisma. A lot of Biden's personal monies are tied up in Ukraine, and that goes for his peeps. I think they are terrified their secrets and embezzlements will be uncovered by the Russians if the Russians actually take over the Ukraine government. 3. Outside of the Biden sewer, politicians have been doing monkey-business in Ukraine ever since the break-up of the USSR. None of them want Russia to get its mitts on proof of their dealings. 4. Lots of people--elite people--make lots of money with war--supplying the war machine, confiscations, and so on. They all want war because it's good for business. That's on both sides. I could go on, and there is plenty I didn't even touch on, but the comments by Glenn added to these extra thoughts should give people who refuse to get caught up in war hysteria a frame for stepping back and seeing a bigger picture. There is no good side versus a bad side in the current situation. But there are clear issues that make sense. Watch Glenn's video. You can see it at double speed (which is what I did) to save time. You will not regret getting such clarity in the current fog of war. Michael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 I don't want to defend Putin as a hero or as a victim, but questions keep popping up about some real serious shit and these questions keep getting censored by big tech. Why? Here is one such question from Salty (who got it from Infowars): DID RUSSIA SURGICALLY STRIKE 8 SECRET US RUN BIO LABS IN UKRAINE? Did Russia Surgically Strike 8 Secret US Run Bio Labs In Ukraine? WWW.BITCHUTE.COM article - https://www.infowars.com/posts/russian-strikes-targeting-us-run-bio-labs-in-ukraine/ Website: https://saltmustflow.com OTHER PLATFORMS: Odysee:... There are maps going around showing where there were purportedly 8 bioweapons labs funded by the USA in Ukraine and maps showing where Putin precision bombed during the invasion of Ukraine. If you put one on top of the other, they align perfectly. Is it too much to ask about the US funding bioweapons labs in Ukraine since it is proved that the US (through the machinations of Fauci & Co.) funded bioweapons research in the Wuhan bioweapons lab? If not, why is the very question being taken down everywhere controlled by the predator class that someone asks about it? Nobody in the public knows the answers one way or another, but watching the predator persuasion of the elites wage a campaign against certain questions from being asked is a lot of smoke for people who say there is no fire. I know very little about this topic right now, and (sigh) I guess I will learn more. Life is short and this shit is long, that's for sure. Stop bitching and just do it, Michael. So I will dig in. This question needs to be discussed. If true that there are bioweapons labs in Ukraine, that would explain a lot. After all, if someone set up bioweapons labs in Cuba (instead of, say, sending a bunch of nukes to Cuba), the US would have a shit fit. Rightly so. So this really would explain a lot. Now if the US has been funding such labs in Ukraine (even though most US government people and people in general would know precious little about it--as happened with Wuhan at the time), in the current context, that would explain a hell of a lot more. Those funding the possible labs would not be amused to see them blown to smithereens. If this is true, we know these people are right next to Biden and his peeps. And the Davos people. Michael 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Here's a look from the other side, but not from the predator class. Steve Bannon is talking to Matthew Tyrmand in the video below. Matthew thinks we need to take Russia out of SWIFT, that Tucker Carlson is like Neville Chamberlain in saying the Ukraine invasion is not the business of the US, and so on. He comes off as highly knowledgeable, not a neocon, not a member of the predator class, so I think he's worth listening to. Ukraine Will Be Our Problem RUMBLE.COM Ukraine Will Be Our Problem All this stuff I am putting up for now is just things to mull over from the best people fact-wise I can come across. Like I keep saying, fog of war... Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 From MSN: China lifting restriction on Russian wheat importation. From Newsroom: Russia: Journalists reporting on Ukraine war face censorship and detentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 2:58 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Steve Bannon is talking to Matthew Tyrmand in the video below. I need to learn more about Matthew Tyrmand. In the video below, he said one of his favorite quotes of all time came from Ayn Rand. Yup. Ayn friggin' Rand. Since I am going from memory and I believe he was, too, I will paraphrase. "You are free to ignore reality, but you are not free from the consequences of it." I am pretty sure I misquoted both him and Rand in words, but not in concept. What's more, I know this quote from Rand well enough to have a mental image of it (to feel when someone got it right or wrong) and to look it up. So off the top of my head, I think he misquoted her in the same kind of manner. But I prefer to leave it this way. Why? I like these misquotes. They show how the idea spreads without the parroting. They are 100% accurate in meaning, but not in exact wording. (Concept over word.) Here is the video: Episode 1,669 - Blood In The Streets Of Kiev, Silence In The Capitals Of Europe RUMBLE.COM We discuss Ukraine, the economy, and more. Our guests are: Rebekah Koffler, Matthew Tyrmand, Ben Harnwell, John Spiropoulos Stay ahead of the censors - Join us warroom.org/join Aired On:... Unfortunately, you will have to see the video to find the quote. I have the tools and skills to find it and provide it, but I don't have the time. Besides, it's a great video. I really appreciate one thing Steve Bannon is doing. I know nothing about Matthew, but he sometimes sounds like a hardcore ortho-Objectivist in his nasty way of presenting his prejudices. Rather than contradict him, Steve, or one of his guests, will say, "I don't fully agree with you on that, but..." And there follows something that does agree with something Matthew said. For instance, Matthew believes the Russian army is a bunch of ragtag incompetent soldiers who have very little idea of how to fight against a Western soldier. But he also believes the Russian cyber warfare people are some of the best in the world. So Steve (or a guest) will tell him they don't exactly agree with him about the readiness of the Russian army, but what he says about Russia's cyber warfare people needs to be on the table. And so on. The great thing is that Matthew does not snark or get personal when this happens. He takes in in good stride. And, from what I have seen, he is extremely knowledgeable about a lot of big-picture things. And about minutia. In short, he is as smart as a whip. So I want to learn more about this guy. To start, here is his Gettr handle. He says Gettr is where he does the bulk of his reporting and interactions, although, from the looks of things, he is all over the Internet and media, including mainstream media. I also see he is part of Project Veritas, or at least connected with them in some way. Matthew Tyrmand (Gettr) I'm so glad to see this from many different angles. The world actually is changing for the better, even though on the surface (through the war lens), it might not look like it right now. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 As a follow-up to the last post, here's just a taste of Matthew Tyrmand's knowledge and tone. Matthew Tyrmand on GETTR : Are these people insane or corrupted? I’ve done more investigations on Soros/OSF than most anyone, have been smeared as a Russian agent by his propped up newspapers, investigated Hunter Biden corruption (am acknowledged in Peter Schweizer’s books as such) and been put on watch lists/kicked out of Global Entry and had my phone tapped for it, and written more than anyone on Westphalian Sovereignty and worked on Brexit. But yeah nice try. Fkn idiot. GETTR.COM Are these people insane or corrupted? I’ve done more investigations on Soros/OSF than most anyone, have been smeared as a Russian agent by his propped up newspapers, investigated... Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: As a follow-up to the last post, here's just a taste of Matthew Tyrmand's knowledge and tone. Matthew Tyrmand on GETTR : Are these people insane or corrupted? I’ve done more investigations on Soros/OSF than most anyone, have been smeared as a Russian agent by his propped up newspapers, investigated Hunter Biden corruption (am acknowledged in Peter Schweizer’s books as such) and been put on watch lists/kicked out of Global Entry and had my phone tapped for it, and written more than anyone on Westphalian Sovereignty and worked on Brexit. But yeah nice try. Fkn idiot. GETTR.COM Are these people insane or corrupted? I’ve done more investigations on Soros/OSF than most anyone, have been smeared as a Russian... Michael Speaking of Soros, here are his comments on Twitter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, ThatGuy said: Speaking of Soros, here are his comments on Twitter: The comments there in response are a tale unto themselves... "Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 What's this all about, now? JUST IN - Elon Musk: "Starlink service is now active in #Ukraine. More terminals en route." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 On the lighter side from Babylon Bee. Biden Announces He Will Move To Unfollow Putin On Twitter Biden Announces He Will Move To Unfollow Putin On Twitter BABYLONBEE.COM WASHINGTON, D.C. - After Putin led Russia in an unprovoked attack on Ukraine, Biden addressed the world and outlined the steps he'd take to stop Russia from rampaging through Eastern Europe... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 My tone in this thread might be causing some people to wonder where I'm coming from. So let me say this right now. I am against war. I don't believe a goddam word coming from the mainstream media. I think the world is being played by the predator class in various ways and this Ukraine mess is part of it. The following Tweet thread from Tucker Max more or less sums up my own view. For your convenience, here is a digest of all the tweet texts. Quote A lot of people asked me why I posted about ignoring the Ukrainian/Russian war. I don't know war, but I do know media, and everything about how the war is being covered is sending up major red flags to me. Two quick examples: =============== 1. Hero stories popup immediately, that end up not being true. The 13 guards telling the Russian naval ship to fuck off (turns out they surrendered), the "Ghost of Kyiv" (doesn't seem to be true), the sunflower seed story, etc... MOST telling, media runs them uncritically. =============== 2. The biggest weird thing to me: no one stopped buying oil/gas from Russia. Germany said they will keep buying. US State Dept went so far as to say, EXPLICITLY, that sanctions are designed to NOT stop the flow of gas. What? Those exports are 30% of the Russian economy. =============== I have no doubt that real Ukrainians civilians are dying and suffering on the ground, and that sucks. But do these actions seem like the actions of warring states? No. In the American media, it seems like a spectacle put on to either distract or "manufacture consent." =============== I'm not going to fall for it. The primary power media--and it's masters--have over us is our attention. I choose to not give it to them (yes trolls, aside from writing this, lol). Today I'm feeding my cows, going to BJJ and being with my family. =============== For the same conclusion from an actual military combat vet, see this thread: Hey look, let’s take breath. Does this while UKR narrative seem a bit….off? I don’t know exactly what, but the outliers are adding up. Russia has so far committed the B team, with very little arty or air. They are out if guided munitions you say? Well they have plenty of dumb (Link to thread here.) =============== And for those who want proof the Snake Island soldiers surrendered, the UK ministry of defense seems to even admit it: BEFORE: - Ukrainian government released video/audio and claimed Snake Island defenders fought to the death. - Russia claimed they surrendered, released video NOW: Ukrainian Ministry of Defense acknowledges they surrendered Minor in terms of war but has an impact on morale (Link to thread here.) =============== When former CIA dudes tell you things are weird, man...shit is WEIRD: Agree something's off. Maybe our expectations were different than Russia's plans. Regardless, I am troubled by the lack of actual war reporting from the field combined with the mountain of false reports, years-old pics/vids, and unsupported claims from anonymous gov't officials. (Link to tweet here.) =============== *logs onto Twitter* *Sees thousands of @ and total chaos in the mentions* *logs out of Twitter* In short, I don't know what the hell to believe. But I am sure of one thing. Nothing looks like it is supposed to. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 Cernovich often pisses me off about Trump and a few other things, but this last tweet of his accompanies my last post quite well. Quote I don’t know what’s happening in Ukraine but do know what’s not happening. Ghost jet was fake. Snake island is probably fake. Sam Hyde isn’t in Ukraine. Yoga aunt isn’t shooting her AK at Russian soldiers. Zelenskyy army man photos are months old. Mind your mind. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, ThatGuy said: What's this all about, now? There will be Internet in Ukraine. That's about all I get from that so far. And even then, with a price of at least $100 a pop, only those with money will be able to pay. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: There will be Internet in Ukraine. That's about all I get from that so far. And even then, with a price of at least $100 a pop, only those with money will be able to pay. Michael Ah, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 I want to say something else, too. I saw headlines where Zelensky was offered by the US government to be taken to a safe place. He refused and said he didn't need a ride, he needed guns. I don't know if this story is true, but I hope it is. Maximum respect for Zelensky. He loves his country and has balls--much more than most politicians I know of. Also, from what I am seeing, the spirit of the Second Amendment is alive and well in Ukraine. Everybody--normal people are risking their lives and bearing arms. I would not want to be an army dealing with that. But what about muh gun control? And, I wonder if any woke people over there are demanding a safe space where certain topics cannot be discussed. Man, do I dislike wokeness. I hope Russia and Ukraine come to peace sooner than later. I've heard that Zelensky and Putin are talking, but I don't know for sure. But what I most hope for is the destruction of the World Economic Forum (including Soros, the Biden cabal, and all fellow travelers) and its influence on hostilities like this Ukraine mess. Oh yeah, don't forget the fake-ass news media. Without these elitist predators, I honestly believe Russia and Ukraine would come to an negotiated understanding before long. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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