Ukraine and Endless War for Profit


Michael Stuart Kelly

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Thank God for Rand Paul.

He put the kabash on the $40 billion, at least for a couple of weeks.

And do you know what he did?

He demanded something in the law that allowed for oversight of how the funds were spent. The oversight person was to make sure what the funds were designated for got spent on exactly that.

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You can't make this up. btw - That rumbling in the background you heard was the predators going nuts.

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Even the crooks salivating over the loot had to go, "Woah, hossie!" They want the money now, they want it real bad and right now, sooner rather than later, but they need at least a couple of weeks to figure out how to include that oversight in such a way they still get to steal the money.

Of course during these couple of weeks, all hell is going to break loose and this thing will, hopefully and deservedly, fall apart.

Don't forget, this bill was passed in the House and sent to the Senate in record time PRECISELY to avoid public discussion. They knew public discussion will probably kill it.

I, personally, think it will.

Now they will be able to test their theory because one hell of a discussion is coming.

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Check out Rand's move for yourself.

 

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Senator Rand Paul On Thursday stalled the bill for $40 billion more funding to Ukraine.  Yesterday The Gateway Pundit reported on the House’s bill that passed and gave $40 billion to Ukraine. This bill...

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14 minutes ago, anthony said:

"Furthermore, they consider Russia the fourth biggest threat to America and would rather see President Joe Biden than Russian President Vladimir Putin leave office".

Tony,

Our posts crossed, so I am quoting your quote from the poll.

LOL.

People in the West (the ones polled) actually prefer Putin over Biden.

Dayaamm!

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 

 

btw - Do you know how I see deplorables talk about Ukraine?

They normally give lip service to how horrible it all is, then they change the subject.

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I swear, the lip service is at the point where what they say is on autopilot. Watch for it and you will see it. They always use the same words, same tone of voice, same overemphasis with arms, then zwooop. Instant change of subject.

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The lesson is you can guilt and intimidate people into agreeing with a position out loud, but you can't use that technique to make them care about it or even agree with it.

Michael

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Michael, Most of the deplorables have several other fish to fry, in their priority of values, it's the elitists with money and leisure on their hands who seem to need to loudly show off their virtuous purity and condemn who doesn't. (Or be socially and otherwise banished). What is real, here and now, takes precedence over abstractions of other places and people.  I was remembering my parents who went through and served in ~a total~ war with no certainty of a future. The little they told was of being concerned about simple things 'close to home' or to the barracks, life went on and they often had good times and partied. You'd imagine there were tense, nervy periods when deployed and seeing some action, and grim worries of the future when news came of armies in retreat and ships were sunk. They didn't speak much of those. But they apparently took it in their stride and still had a ball at times. Theirs was a tougher, stoical generation now quite lost to this bored, narcissistic, security-over-freedom, "safe-space", never a rough word spoken, era. 

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From Bloomberg on Friday: Swedes and Finns are increasingly in favor of joining the NATO defense bloc after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, adding pressure on the countries’ leaders to change long-standing policies of military non-alignment. Polls released in the two Nordic countries on Friday showed 51% of Swedes and 48% of Finns now back joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It’s the first time a Swedish majority favors the entry, while an earlier poll in Finland has also indicated majority support. end quote

The latest I heard was there was a shift in Finland’s numbers preferring to join NATO to 80 percent. That is huge, but of course Finland shares a border with expansionist Russia.

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So the latest Finnish poll says 52% don't favor joining the defense bloc ? When an earlier poll showed a majority supported it ? Does that mean in the face of expansionist Russia, Finns are becoming Putinphiles ?

Peter , do you think Bloomberg is primarily a truth spreading news organization ? They feel a lot more like globalist bootlickers or even fellow jacks.

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So the latest Finnish poll says 52% don't favor joining the defense bloc ? 

No the reverse is true. It was a lower number supported joining NATO but now a majority of 80 percent want to join. Interesting the young men polled and who might need to fight are a smaller majority.

Fom the news: Finns just 'formalized' the decision to join NATO.

 

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Biden is sending combat troops back to Somalia.

The military-industrial complex wants to eat.

Fuck the people who pay for it and die for it and all that collateral damage (dead innocents).

That thing wants to eat.

So if something happens to the $40 billion for Ukraine, Somalia has it covered. It will take some jazzing up, but might as well get started, right?

Michael

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Lex Fridman recently released a podcast with Saifedean Ammous , a maximal Bitcoin maximalist :), it's a four hour interview so watch out . The discussion is obviously very heavy in economics eg ; the Austrian school vs Keynesianism, 'hard' vs 'soft' money, 'real' money vs 'fiat' very interesting conversation. He talks about endless wars for profit and the role fiat money played in its development.

Like , imagine if Biden had to actually send $40 billion in gold bars to Ukraine, when instead he just needs to have someone write an amount in some column somewhere to further the death and destruction, it's just so easy , since 1914 the central bankers and the armament guys have been providing so much easy death and destruction. Back in the day Kings had it bad, their coffers would literally run empty , no money no war.

Paper fiat money? as much war as you can stand and then some !

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Imagine the domestic problems elected leaders would face if their economies were based on hard currencies. Any military action not accounted for would need supplemental funding , if the population of a nation were generally in agreement that the cause was necessary, instruments like ‘war bonds’ can be used as a revenue generator and have shown some historic success ie the US during WW2. But imagine if the population just wouldn’t ‘get on board’ , coinage and bank account confiscation would/could most certainly lead to civil unrest to say nothing of active rebellion, this possibility itself would always act as a check against warmongering tendencies.

How nice is it for modern , progressive and enlightened governments that paper monies and total control over balance sheets means the leaders only have to tread internal political lines to hold their positions of power and simply ‘fund’ military activities , no wonder proxy wars are so ‘popular’.

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I saw American Bonds were paying two percent, while bank savings accounts were paying a tenth of a percent, and that is a huge difference between little and teensy. Online banking pays a bit more but I would rather deal with a real person . . . in person even if they say they are FDIC protected.

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On 4/4/2022 at 2:18 PM, william.scherk said:

Bellingcat has a lot of options to consider...

And all of them are paid for by the war machine in the US government, the UK government, etc. (Using cutouts, of course.)

That's why their results always skew pro-endless-war-for-profit.

Here's a discussion of Bellingcat.

I mention this because William has referenced this group with praise several times.

I don't expect him to change his opinion, but when you, reader, see that name, Bellingcat, realize that it is a war propaganda outfit, not a real fact-checking anything. It's sole purpose is to sell war.

It's OK to see what it has to say, but always, always, always do your own thinking.

btw - Curious fact. Eliot Higgins from Bellingcat calls himself an arms specialist or something like that. He admitted several years ago that he got his expertise from playing video games. That sounds like a parody, but it's true.

A war propagandist trained by video games. Great work if you can get it.

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Michael

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3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I mention this because William has referenced this group with praise several times.

I don't expect him to change his opinion, but when you, reader, see that name, Bellingcat, realize that it is a war propaganda outfit, not a real fact-checking anything. It's sole purpose is to sell war.

As Michael suggests, OSINT (open-source intelligence) work can be fraught with accusations of bias, incompetence, filthy lucre and base motives. 

"[Bellingcat's] sole purpose is to sell war" is an opinion with which I strongly disagree. Among Bellingcat's central purposes is to use OSINT to understand conflict -- to discover actualities, to use the power of 'crowd-sourcing,' geo-location, satellite imagery, social media videos, and ultimately to teach the use of tools and methods -- in their beliefs that they have identified important elements of objective investigation and analysis for the age of world-wide social media. 

Jimmy Dore rarely sits down with a challenging 'opponent' or someone who may help change his "thinking fast" mind once it is set. He's incorrigible in that sense. It's a shame, but he's an entertainer, not a wonk or an analyst or someone who does protracted reasoning for a living. 

Giving air-time to lazy-minded Partyist cadres like Aaron Maté and his mate Blumenthal on the subject of Syria's Sarin war crimes is understandable (because in a way it cements a 'brave contrarian versus the "official narrative" stance) -- but denigrating operatives of 'other side' without engaging in the larger argument in detail ... what could we call that?
 

 

Bellingcat's work to identify the exact details of the missile battery and the culprits who shot down  Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in 2014 is what made their reputation (outside of identifying armaments used in the Syrian conflict).

Here is just one part of the MH17 reports:

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Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)The full report can be viewed here (mirror) The Bellingcat Investigation Team has previously published a number of reports demonstrating that the deployment of...

 

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Grammaire; grappling with my new Roget's Thesaurus "Concepts" index!.
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2 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Giving air-time to lazy-minded Partyist cadres like Aaron Maté and his mate Blumenthal on the subject of Syria's Sarin war crimes is understandable (because in a way it cements a 'brave contrarian versus the "official narrative" stance) -- but denigrating operatives of 'other side' without engaging in the larger argument in detail ... what could we call that?

William,

When that is funded by the Pentagon?

How about war toadyism?

That works fine for me.

 

The Pentagon does not fund the people you denigrate above. (And, as far as denigration goes, gotta do better than snobbish dismissal and silly aspersions about those who take them seriously if the idea is to convince anyone. May I suggest ideas?)

But the Pentagon does fund Bellingcat. And Bellingcat sings well for its supper.

As it should. After all, the Pentagon is paying for it.

Some people are destined to slop in the troughs of the war machine and others don't like innocent deaths with their money.

I know which side I am on. And it's not with the hogs.

It's a choice.

Michael

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The hogs will eat.

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Both U.S. congressional chambers in May passed a bill allocating $40 billion for Ukraine. See how each member ...

The good side of stories like this is that they push more and more people to vote MAGA who would not normally vote MAGA.

I wonder if that money can be clawed back later.

I bet I'm not the only one wondering...

btw - The US government had to borrow money from China to pay for that $40 billion. What could possibly go wrong?

Michael

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Former MI6 head Sir Richard Dearlove said Wednesday Putin could be out of power by next year. He said Putin will likely enter a long-term medical facility and not return to power once he is out. His predictions line up with other reports of Putin losing power and receiving medical treatment. The former head of British intelligence predicted Russian President Vladimir Putin will be out of power by next year and in a medical facility for long-term illness.

Sir Richard Dearlove was head of the UK's Secret Intelligence Service, also known as MI6, from 1999 to 2004. He made the predictions about Putin on Wednesday during an episode of the podcast One Decision, which he co-hosts. "I'm really going to stick my neck out. I think he'll be gone by 2023. But probably into the sanatorium, from which he will not emerge as the leader of Russia," he said, adding that the sanatorium would be a way to move Putin out of power without a coup.

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Checking the web again and I found this. I proclaim Zelensky an honorary North American.

Damn. This is exactly what I think. Read his words! Peter

From USA Today. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksyy welcomed Poland's president to Kyiv on Sunday, saying the two nations are "defending a common universe called freedom and independence at a time when someone is committing barbarism of a cosmic scale."

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6 hours ago, Peter said:

Checking the web again and I found this. I proclaim Zelensky an honorary North American.

Damn. This is exactly what I think. Read his words! Peter

From USA Today. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksyy welcomed Poland's president to Kyiv on Sunday, saying the two nations are "defending a common universe called freedom and independence at a time when someone is committing barbarism of a cosmic scale."

Freedom and indepenence for the Nazis and the bio weapons labs?

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What a difference a week and a war make. (sorry no USA Today link ) but let's look at his actions and focus less on his words, but he sure does sound like a North American leader !

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The constant rumors of war have pulled the rug out from under the Ukrainian economy, with nearly $1 billion in FDI leaving. Zelensky is...

 

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George Bush got pranked into admitting that the word of the USA is meaningless in treaties. It was put in terms of "that was then and this is now" but he came right out and said it openly.

He thought he was talking to Zelensky.

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The war machine want to eat.

We have to starve it.

We need our military for a real war if the world ever comes to that.

Michael

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I was going to comment on this earlier, but my thoughts exactly.

The grifters don't give a crap about Ukraine. They do give a crap about their cash cow.

So go ahead and give the land to Russia, they say. Even Kissinger. That way they can get on with the rebuilding part. Some are even calling it the Marshall Plan for Ukraine.

Imagine all that money...

"Muh heroic suffering Ukrainians" has lost it's sheen as a persuasion gambit. Just give the fucking land to Putin and get the new grift in place, wouldja already?

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The USA is going to pay for it anyway...

Michael

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