Coronavirus

[Jon Letendre]

Let us know if you see any more references to 4/10/20.

Jusr as Q is the 17th letter, so D is the 4th., J the 10th.

Did Pence put the President’s initials on the alread-planned April 10th return from the abyss?

Keep watching it used in strange ways and let’s see how long you keep answering “no.”

[Ellen Stuttle]

44 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Let us know if you see any more references to 4/10/20.

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Keep watching it used in strange ways and let’s see how long you keep answering “no.”

Jon, the only place I've seen references to April 10 is in your posts wondering why churches would be opening then.  I have no idea what it is you're saying I'm "answering 'no'" to.

Ellen

[tmj]

Heard a weird story today, absolutely no way to verify, totally anecdotal and just weird. At a local airport a co-worker saw a fighter jet fly over, not too weird as we have seen fighter jets running training routes in the area periodically, but the guy was talking with an airport employee at the time and the airport employee then related that he saw three BlackHawk helicopters parked at a hangar , which isn't too weird as the military uses that hangar and area of the runway, the weird part was seeing handcuffed individuals being escorted to the aircraft from the hangar.

Now thats weird.  And totally unverifiable.

[Jon Letendre]

Sorry Ellen, not you, the reader “you”

They may be saying no, Pence is just being hopeful, and all the 4/10/20s coming are just a date and a date can’t be or mean anything more than a date, because, well, it’s just a date.

[Peter]

27 minutes ago, tmj said:

Heard a weird story today

I just drove about three miles from my house and back. I saw a palliative (?) care van at someone's house. Someone else getting out of a car, pulling an oxygen tank while another person was wiping down the inside of the car with some kind of wipe, and an ambulance that was not blinking its lights, but no UFO's.  

[ThatGuy]

5 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

I will post if I see them again. There are more references to an April 10th return. Non-religious ones. There’s something about that date, 4/10/20.

"President Trump announced on Monday a set of guidelines that he said Americans should follow to prevent the further spread of the coronavirus -- despite admitting that the pandemic could stretch into July or August."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-guidelines-15-days-crisis-summer-recession

[Peter]

Thanks, ThatGuy. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Or maybe it isn’t. Peter

COVID-19 Tracker Active cases 95,548 Recovered cases 79,852 Fatal cases 7,160

China 80,881 Italy 27,980 Iran 14,991 Spain 9,942 South Korea 8,320 Germany 7,272 France 6,633 United States 4,712 Switzerland 2,353 United Kingdom 1,543 Netherlands 1,417 Norway 1,348 Sweden 1,121 Belgium 1,058 Austria 1,018 Denmark 916 Japan 814 Diamond Princess 712 Malaysia 566 Canada 441 Qatar 439 Australia 401 Greece 352 Czechia 344 Portugal 331 Israel 298 Finland 278 Slovenia 253 Singapore 243 Brazil 234 Bahrain 229 Ireland 223 Estonia 205 Iceland 199 Pakistan 184 Poland 177 Romania 168 Egypt 166 Hong Kong SAR 157 Chile 156 Thailand 147 Philippines 142 Indonesia 134 Iraq 133 Saudi Arabia 133 India 129 Kuwait 123 San Marino 115 Lebanon 109 United Arab Emirates 98 Russia 93 Peru 86 Luxembourg 81 Slovakia 72 Panama 69 Argentina 68 Taiwan 67 Bulgaria 62 South Africa 62 Vietnam 61 Algeria 60 Ecuador 58 Croatia 57 Serbia 57 Brunei 54 Colombia 54 Mexico 53 Armenia 52 Albania 51 Turkey 47 Cyprus 46 Costa Rica 41 Hungary 39 Palestinian Authority 39 Morocco 38 Belarus 36 Latvia 34 Georgia 33 Venezuela 33 Malta 30 Jordan 29 Moldova 29 Uruguay 29 Sri Lanka 28 Senegal 27 Azerbaijan 25 Bosnia and Herzegovina 25 Oman 24 Afghanistan 21 Dominican Republic 21 North Macedonia 20 Tunisia 20 Lithuania 18 Burkina Faso 15 Jamaica 15 Andorra 14 Maldives 13 Kosovo 13 Cambodia 12 Macao SAR 12  Bolivia 11 New Zealand 11 Kazakhstan 10 Monaco 9 Bangladesh 8 Guatemala 8 Paraguay 8 Uzbekistan 8 Syria 7 Guyana 7 Ukraine 7 Liechtenstein 7 Rwanda 7 Ghana 6 Honduras 6 Ethiopia 5 Cameroon 4 Cuba 4 Ivory Coast 4 Mongolia 4 Trinidad and Tobago 4 Kenya 3 Seychelles 3 Congo (DRC) 2 Namibia 2 Saint Lucia 2 Nigeria 2 Sudan 1 Antigua and Barbuda 1 Benin 1 Bhutan 1 Bahamas 1 Central African Republic 1 Republic of the Congo 1 Equatorial Guinea 1 Eswatini 1 Gabon 1 Guinea 1 Liberia 1 Mauritania 1 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 1 Somalia 1 Suriname 1 Tanzania 1 Togo 1 Vatican City 1 Nepal 1

[anthony]

"Disaster" capitalism: Emergency ethics beloved by altruists. https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/61852-focus-naomi-klein-coronavirus-is-the-perfect-disaster-for-disaster-capitalism?fbclid=IwAR0VA0Fpq7zZn_I13s0B6WyyyG4k_ymsSAk8j8UIJ2xesCKoRkIBsCCH9dE

[anthony]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/10/dr_drew_pinsky_coronavirus_panic_must_stop_press_needs_to_be_held_accountable_for_hurting_people.html

[anthony]

The ~main~ thing to be fearful of is others' paranoia, and ongoing curtailment on our freedoms. Do not accept the leftist narrative driving panic for power.

[merjet]

Federal Reserve to Launch Commercial Paper Funding Facility Amid Coronavirus Uncertainty (paywalled).

Excerpt: "The Fed said it had established the new Commercial Paper Funding Facility, a version of which was last used during the 2008 financial crisis, after securing the approval of the Treasury secretary."

Wikipedia: ""Commercial paper is a money-market security issued (sold) by large corporations to obtain funds to meet short-term debt obligations (for example, payroll) and is backed only by an issuing bank or company promise to pay the face amount on the maturity date specified on the note."

Commercial paper is not backed by collateral. Basically, the borrower creates an IOU in order to meet its short-term cash needs.

[Peter]

2pm update 189,386 cases world wide and 7,504 deaths or .039 percent. Almost 4 percent of the people getting the coronavirus are dying. 

But from Covid 19 tracker, the numbers are higher. Total Confirmed Cases 193,893 and Deaths 7,866 and that is a little higher than 4 percent.

CNBC US coronavirus cases surpass 5,000, up fivefold from a week ago William Feuer 30 mins ago. The number of confirmed COVID-19 cases surpassed 5,000 in the United States on Tuesday, increasing fivefold over seven days as states ramp up testing and the new flu-like coronavirus sweeps across the country . . . . Across the country, the virus has infected more than 5,145 and  killed at least 91 people as of noon Tuesday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

[Peter]

“She Blinded Me with Science!”

I wonder if elevation has anything to do with West Virginia reporting zero cases? Does elevation have something to do with it? Nope. Colorado has 160 cases. And “Rocky Mountain High” or smoking Maryjane has nothing to do with immunity but it may make you more susceptible. WV is sparsely populated too.

We on the Eastern Shore of Maryland have our first case in Talbot County which is closer to the Bay Bridge. I see Governor Hogan is still demanding tolls on the bridge be paid, but only by speed pass or credit card. No cash. Hogan is the moron who briefly tried to drum up support to run against Trump in 2020. He is a laughing stock. Peter

Notes. West Virginia justifies in every way its nickname, the Mountain State. With an average elevation of about 1,500 feet (460 metres) above sea level, it is the highest of any U.S. state east of the Mississippi River.

From Scientific American. Smoking or Vaping May Increase the Risk of a Severe Coronavirus Infection. Though few studies have investigated the connection specifically, cigarette smoke and vaping aerosol are linked to lung inflammation and lowered immune function.

[Peter]

My wife went to the local Food Lion and stocked up on a lot of stuff. There were only two gallons of 2 percent milk left and she took one, and there were no eggs!  

[william.scherk]

Candace Owens raising the bar ...

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, william.scherk said:

Candace Owens raising the bar ...

William,

She sure did.

I agree 100% with everything she said.

Each person's life is theirs, not the government's.

Let them make their own decisions about whether they want to stay in.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Some interesting flu photos I've seen around.

 

Two from Lost in History.
California, 1918 during the Spanish Flu. The sign says "Wear a mask or go to jail."

 

Couple kissing during 1937 flu epidemic.

 

From The Los Angeles Times: This isn’t the first time a virus caused social panic. The Spanish flu did too
Emergency hospital near Fort Riley, Kan., in 1918, during the Spanish Flu.

 

From Huffington Post, UK, Flu Masks, Vibrators & Carbolic Smoke Balls: A History Of Quaint Remedies
Flu mask at work, 1957.

 

Probably from Time.
Baseball during the Spanish Flu.

 

Public Domain
Flu vaccination device (for swine flu, 1976).

 

From Foreign Policy: Taiwan has 10 million masks a day, widespread tracking, and just 1 death despite being close to the outbreak.
How they fight the coronavirus currently in Taiwan.

 

That's enough for now.

Michael

[ThatGuy]

 Flu Masks, Vibrators & Carbolic Smoke Balls: A History Of Quaint Remedies

There's that carbolic, again...
"Petrograd smelt of carbolic acid."

 

[merjet]

Me: "The 1918 flu pandemic was one of the worst. ..." (link).

Mr. Snarky: "Merlin,  Dayamm!  Here I thought we were discussing 2020 and the coronavirus. And maybe the flu in 2020" (link). 

 

19 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Two from Lost in History.
California, 1918 during the Spanish Flu. The sign says "Wear a mask or go to jail."

Heh.

[Jon Letendre]

The world is at war.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

 

The world is at war with a hidden enemy. WE WILL WIN!

1:31 PM · Mar 17, 2020

[Ellen Stuttle]

On March 14, 2020 at 4:14 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

That's also within context.

From Worldometer:

That's, as of today, 144,107 recovered or in mild condition out of 155,829 reported for the entire world.

In other words, many people have not recovered because they have not had time to recover. Once infected, a disease needs to run its course.

But let's massage data, shall we?

We're all gonna die! Today!

Michael

 

The figures provided by Worldometers include China's reported numbers.

I think that China's Health Ministry is lying (and by a considerable amount) on both the number of recovered cases (overreporting) and the number of deaths (underreporting).

I think that the Worldometers compilers also mistrust China's figures, but since they're compiling official statistics and they have no means of independent verification, they report what China's Health Ministry says.

Eliminating China's figures from all totals, here's the breakdown now (11:14 pm edt 3/17/20)

117,348 total 
  13,010 recovered
    4,739 deaths
  99,599 active

This gives a death rate so far of 4.038% - approximately 1 death in 25 cases to date.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

This gives a death rate so far of 4.038% - approximately 1 death in 23 cases to date.

Ellen,

That's the death rate of reported cases according to certain guidelines.

I keep seeing medical people say that many people get coronavirus and don't even realize they have it. They think they have a cold or something. That's why they want people to stay inside and not go out. They're not worried about the reported cases. They're worried about mild undocumented cases where people don't even know they are infected. 

How does one gather stats on that? Just ignore them so we can panic?

If we are going to dismiss the Chinese stats because the Chinese government lied and keeps lying, I think we should include some kind of variable for these undocumented mild cases since they do exist (based on the number of medical authorities who say they do).

Also, now that lots of people are going to start to be tested, especially with the drive-throughs and so on, there will be a spike in the documented numbers of people contaminated, but I doubt there will be a 4% death rate (or increasing) since, for one thing, dead people don't drive.  

We can massage data to mean anything we want, but if the idea is to correspond to reality, we have to take into account things that exist, not just the things that are reported according to certain bureaucratic standards (like those that make it to a doctor among other things). And that means, if we put a consensus of speculations together from reasonable medical sources about undocumented cases, that 4% death rate has to tank.

To rephrase your statement, it would be accurate to say, after eliminating the Chinese numbers: "This gives a death rate of documented cases so far of 4.038% - approximately 1 death in 23 documented cases to date."

If 4% and growing reflected actual reality, there would be a need to panic. But there is so much still unknown, in my opinion, there is no need to panic.

Just do the normal precautions and the vast vast vast majority of people will be fine. Imprudent people will be at a higher risk, of course.

And I'm still pissed at the press for causing panic. Just look at the mess that's now happening all around us.

A panicked mob is like a stampede of cattle. There's no stopping it until it winds down on its own.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

5 hours ago, merjet said:

Heh.

Merlin,

Have you died yet?

I didn't think so.

Let's panic, shall we?

And who knows? If we keep the panic going, with luck, you might die of this virus and then you can be right.

   

(Of course, I have no wish for anything bad to happen to you. I do want you to be safe. I'm just showing where your logic leads when you try too hard for a gotcha.)

Michael

[merjet]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Merlin,

Have you died yet?

I didn't think so.

Let's panic, shall we?

And who knows? If we keep the panic going, with luck, you might die of this virus and then you can be right.

LOL. Another arbitrary assertion by a snarky fabricator.

[Peter]

7 hours ago, merjet said:

Let's panic, shall we?

Odd. I grabbed the quote from a responder to the quote and it said they said it. Is this a "he said, he said" situation or a "he said he said" situation? 

13 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Let's panic, shall we?

Younger smokers and vaporers are at much greater risk of dying from coronavirus. Many think China is still lying but Italy understands the smoking risk from statistics and doctors. Peter

From “Insect Cop” . . . . However, the good news is that mosquitoes are not known to transmit the virus. This will be of some relief to people in subtropical and tropical regions. But the question remains as to how the illness is spread and, therefore, how to prevent it . . . .

From The UK “Sun:” Smokers and vapers at greater risk of dying from coronavirus – as experts warn we could face Italy-style epidemic. 12 Mar 2020, 12:17 Updated: 12 Mar 2020, 12:17. . . . SMOKERS are at a greater risk of dying from coronavirus - and Brits could face an Italy-style epidemic, experts have warned. The habit weakens the function of the lungs and could leave people more susceptible to the deadly bug . . . . Mayor Bill de Blasio warned the vaping could make younger people more vulnerable to suffering complications if they are infected by coronavirus . . . . He said: "If you are a smoker or a vaper that does make you more vulnerable. "If you are a smoker or a vaper this is a very good time to stop that habit and we will help you." Meanwhile, scientists have long warned that smoking tobacco can increase the risk of contracting bacterial and viral infections.

From “Independent.” Italians admitted to hospital for coronavirus are getting younger, a health official has claimed. “The type of patient is changing,” Luca Lorini, the head of anesthesia and intensive care at a northern Italian hospital, has said. “They are a bit younger, between 40 to 45 years old and the cases are more complicated.” Dr Lorini, who works at a hospital in Bergamo, told radio programme RaiNews24: ”People are arriving who got ill six or seven days ago and treated themselves at home – and then their conditions became more and more critical.” Twelve per cent of those who have been treated in intensive care are aged between 19 and 50, according to official figures released last week. Around 52 per cent are between 51 and 70 years old, with the rest all over 70.