Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: On the socio-economic level, here is some more garlic, mirrors, crosses and wooden stakes for the Coronavirus vampires in the castles. The villagers are starting to win. Michael OH!!! "Take Vienna." That tore through me and made me gasp. How Larry and I yearn to go to Vienna again. Every Sunday night, when we have dinner at a restaurant, we toast, "To Vienna!" Sometimes other sentiments added too, but always, "To Vienna!" When the Covid insanity was first hitting the U.S., Larry and I had a marvelous Vienna trip lined up, complete with our second chance to see performances at the State Opera House. It would have been our sixth Vienna excursion, but four times out of the previous five had been during off-season for the Opera House. The 2020 trip, if it had happened, would have been our second trip in May. We hope, hope, hope we'll be able to go to Vienna again. But we aren’t willing to be "vaxxed" so as to be allowed on an international air flight. Ellen PS: I'm just catching up - bleary-eyed still - with the day's posts. Today was one of the 8-weekly injections in the left eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 hours ago, tmj said: I don't have a link but Tucker had a doctor on from St Lukes in Bethlehem Pa explaining how they will allow staff that were naturally infected and have cleared the virus a year deferment on vaccination. Tucker asked him whether the CDC was looking at the same data sets as the hospital and came to a different conclusion and the doctor said that no one is looking at the same data sets and that that may be a lot of the problem. Some people, the CDC analysts prominent among them, are looking at partly to largely invented data sets. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 hours ago, anthony said: I think we should give them some due, Ellen, apparently they do ~reduce~ the severity of the disease and the ~chance~ of fatality (for those who need it). BUT - the fact vaccines don't stop infection and transmission, is crumbling any altruistic rationale behind the vax mandate. The way it should always have been, one gets it or doesn't - by informed choice, for personal benefit and for those one cares for/has responsibility to - not for the social good. The above was in response to my statement that "The pseudo-vaccines don’t protect people from getting, or from dying from, Covid…." Tony, See my above post regarding data sets. I think that the claim that the pseudo-vaccines "do ~reduce~ the severity of the disease and the ~chance~ of fatality (for those who need it)" comes entirely from people who monkey with data sets. There are other analysts who suspect that it's just the reverse, that severity and chance of fatality are enhanced by the pseudo-vaccines - or at best not lessened. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Peter said: Anthony wrote: I think we should give them some due, Ellen, apparently they do ~reduce~ the severity of the disease and the ~chance~ of fatality. end quote Excellent, and scientifically accurate, point. The “vaccination big picture” shows a huge drop in infections and fatalities. Areas with the fewest vaccinated people per capita have the most illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths from the Coronavirus. The American states with the most stubborn anti-vaxers have the most hospitalizations to such an extent that the Delta variant is still filling up ICU’s . . . and ticking off the medical staffs. In news interviews they call the anti vaxers stupid, irrational people. Believing stats like that is one of the penalties of trusting the medical establishment authorities and the MSN. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 hours ago, Peter said: the doctor they may know As tmj has pointed out, doctors in group practices may be under pressure to adopt the official line, and could even risk losing their license if they give contra advice. Plus, doctors can be gullible too and trust the medical authority organizations. As I've said, my own current GP, I discovered during my recent annual checkup, genuinely didn’t know some things - of which I apprised him. At the eye clinic I go to, some of the staff, I've gleaned from careful hints in things they say responding to things I say, don’t at all believe official narratives re what you call "the science," but they can’t say so in so many words (unless they’re sure they aren’t being overheard) without risk of being in trouble with the parent mega-practice of which the eye clinic is a subsidiary. Ellen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 Ellen wrote, “As tmj has pointed out, doctors in group practices may be under pressure to adopt the official line, and could even risk losing their license if they give contra advice. Plus, doctors can be gullible too and trust the medical authority organizations.” end quote Covid has been politicized by anti-vaxers to an excruciating degree, and maybe The Press, but not as much from the AMA, your family doctor, or hospital. Regular news about Covid is just regular news, like any other. Anti-vaxers can be internet, and conspiracy theory driven blatherers. I just looked up some things about this issue and I already knew of some of the info. I do know of doctors who work out of hospitals, {and from TV, chuckle} and they do have “a boss Doc” who sets “some” rules along with the thinking of the doctors in their pool. Where to send a patient for specialized medical care, what hospital to send a patient to, what insurance to accept, are some of the guidelines they follow. However, they do not lose their licenses if they don’t follow protocol from the Doc in charge of the pool. They might be tossed from the group. Only The AMA and State boards of medicine can disbar a doctor. Notes. The four Ds of medical malpractice are duty, dereliction (negligence or deviation from the standard of care), damages, and direct cause. Each of these four elements must be proved to have been present, based on a preponderance of the evidence, for malpractice to be found. From AMA. Collectively, medical societies have a civic and professional obligation to: Report to the appropriate governmental body or state board of medical examiners credible evidence that may come to their attention involving the alleged criminal conduct of any physician relating to the practice of medicine. Initiate disciplinary action whenever a physician is alleged to have engaged in misconduct whenever there is credible evidence tending to establish unethical conduct, regardless of the outcome of any civil or criminal proceedings relating to the alleged misconduct. Impose a penalty, up to and including expulsion from membership, on a physician who violates ethical standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said: How Larry and I yearn to go to Vienna again. I yearn to go to Broadway plays, concerts, and even large parties for graduations etc. I have been less needy of sitting in restaurants . . . but darn it would be great to go to Outback Steak House and get a steak, baked potato, a bloomin onion, and one . . . no make that two cans of Fosters Lager. I won't drive myself home. Promise. Good burps to all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Peter said: I yearn to go to Broadway plays, concerts, and even large parties for graduations etc. I have been less needy of sitting in restaurants . . . but darn it would be great to go to Outback Steak House and get a steak, baked potato, a bloomin onion, and one . . . no make that two cans of Fosters Lager. I won't drive myself home. Promise. Good burps to all!! What's stopping you? Or those establishments, functions and gatherings from operating? The vaccine makes everyone (vaccinated) invulnerable to harm, right? If it's so good, all those normal activities would have been restored to everyone, leaving only the unvaxxed to have something to fear. Therefore: It's not "so good". Of course. Been pointed out here regularly, transmission/infection is *also* vaxxed to vaxxed people. Then how could you want to persuade anyone to get the jab? And for the Gvts/CDC/ Health Ministries to be blackmailing people into doing such a thing not-so-good? The vaxxed need to walk their talk. Confidently if not fearlessly getting out and about. Else, why should anyone believe them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (A New Zealander's pleas to her PM. Seems some Down Under still appreciate freedoms and individualism. All those points apply here too. One of the most despicable: By edict, South African 12 to 17 year olds won't need parental permission for jabs). Posted on Jacinda Ardern's page by a person named Jo Wright Of all the vaccines I have taken in my life like Tetanus shots, measles, mumps, polio, meningitis, TB shots, etc... Never have I heard so many lies and deceptions over a vaccine that says I have to wear a mask and socially distance even when fully vaccinated, and that I could still contract or spread the virus even after being fully vaccinated. Never had to get tested when I was perfectly healthy without any symptoms whatsoever. Never been bribed by the establishments to take the vaccine in order to win a holiday and/or cash prizes or earn frequent flyer points. I never had to worry about cardiac issues, neurological disorders, blood clots and sadly more! Didn't even have to worry about death. Never was I ever THREATENED by the use of FORCE by the Government, Employers, Police force, and Military for a vaccine as seen overseas. I was never judged by my friends or relatives if I didn't take it. I was never discriminated against for travel or other regular services to a point where I could not buy or sell without it. The vaccines I have listed above never told me I was a bad person for not taking them or for even taking them for that matter. I have never seen a vaccine that threatened the relationship between my family members and/or close friends to a point of destroying my relationships with them ever. Never have I seen it used for political gain. Never seen a vaccine needing 24/7 mass media advertising and promotion on every media outlet known to man. Then there’s mixing and matching different vaccine brands and being told it's okay to do it one day and then told the next day to not do it (overseas). I have never seen a vaccine threaten someone's livelihood, as well as wipe out their jobs. I have never seen a vaccine that allows a 12-year-old child's consent to supersede their parent's consent (that one alone blows me away). Finally, after all the vaccines (jab, shots) I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one that discriminates, divides, and judges a society. So much information is censored, deleted, and removed from the internet and mainstream media! So many doctors, health care professionals, police and scientists are censored and forbidden to speak out or ask legitimate questions when what is being allowed or not allowed does not make sense! Particularly when it comes from mainstream media. I have never known a vaccine that has made all the Pharmaceutical companies that manufacture it exempt from liability if it kills everyone to a point where no life insurance will cover it! This is one powerful vaccine guys! It does all these things above that I have mentioned and yet? It does NOT do the one thing it is supposed to do which is - FIGHT OFF THIS PANDEMIC so why on earth should I get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Peter said: Covid has been politicized by anti-vaxers to an excruciating degree, and maybe The Press, but not as much from the AMA, your family doctor, or hospital. Regular news about Covid is just regular news, like any other. Anti-vaxers can be internet, and conspiracy theory driven blatherers. I just looked up some things about this issue and I already knew of some of the info. I do know of doctors who work out of hospitals, {and from TV, chuckle} and they do have “a boss Doc” who sets “some” rules along with the thinking of the doctors in their pool. Where to send a patient for specialized medical care, what hospital to send a patient to, what insurance to accept, are some of the guidelines they follow. However, they do not lose their licenses if they don’t follow protocol from the Doc in charge of the pool. They might be tossed from the group. Only The AMA and State boards of medicine can disbar a doctor. Are legal wranglings the stuff of medicine or politics ? This article shows the AMA acting as a political body and willfully ignoring medical science, integrate that all ye Oists! Doctors Can Prescribe Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine Off-Label For COVID-19: Nebraska AG WWW.ZEROHEDGE.COM “the available data does not justify filing disciplinary actions against physicians...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 'Following the Science' Sure Seems a Lot Like 'Winging It' "The “throw everything at the walls and see what sticks” stuff is getting weirder and—surprise!—less helpful. For over a year, we’ve been relentlessly hammered by the panic-porn crowd to “follow the science.” The problem is, there isn’t always a lot of science involved in the science they want to follow. "For example, the FDA is getting close to giving the thumbs-up to a sort of Chex mix approach to getting booster shots, which Rick wrote about yesterday: The FDA will say this week that if you want a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, it won’t matter whether you were originally vaccinated with another brand. You will soon be able to “mix and match” the vaccine manufacturer to get your booster. The agency is also expected to recommend that people get a booster shot from the same maker as their original vaccination. And for those Americans who received their original vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, there are questions about the correct dosage. If you want to see confusion, incompetence, and uncertainty coming from a federal agency making life and death decisions about our health, look no further. The FDA is riding to the rescue and has already fallen off its white horse. "Do you not feel properly guided and comforted yet? This feels more like a public health game of craps than clear guidance by medical experts. Remember, the FDA is the agency more typically known for being painfully slow in approving medicines and treatments that dying people desperately need. Now it’s apparently full YOLO time over there." The Morning Briefing: 'Following the Science' Sure Seems a Lot Like 'Winging It' PJMEDIA.COM Top O’ the Briefing Happy Wednesday, dear Kruiser Morning Briefing friends. Random acts of kindness rarely wear flattering plaids. Heaven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I wonder what complete institutional collapse will look like. The capture phase is almost done, accelerated degradation is about to commence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said: OH!!! "Take Vienna." That tore through me and made me gasp. How Larry and I yearn to go to Vienna again. Every Sunday night, when we have dinner at a restaurant, we toast, "To Vienna!" Sometimes other sentiments added too, but always, "To Vienna!" When the Covid insanity was first hitting the U.S., Larry and I had a marvelous Vienna trip lined up, complete with our second chance to see performances at the State Opera House. It would have been our sixth Vienna excursion, but four times out of the previous five had been during off-season for the Opera House. The 2020 trip, if it had happened, would have been our second trip in May. We hope, hope, hope we'll be able to go to Vienna again. But we aren’t willing to be "vaxxed" so as to be allowed on an international air flight. Ellen PS: I'm just catching up - bleary-eyed still - with the day's posts. Today was one of the 8-weekly injections in the left eye. Ellen, what does " take Vienna" mean please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 22 hours ago, Peter said: Anthony wrote: I think we should give them some due, Ellen, apparently they do ~reduce~ the severity of the disease and the ~chance~ of fatality. end quote Excellent, and scientifically accurate, point. The “vaccination big picture” shows a huge drop in infections and fatalities. Areas with the fewest vaccinated people per capita have the most illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths from the Coronavirus. Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States WWW.NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV Science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 A thread worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 17 hours ago, Peter said: Covid has been politicized by anti-vaxers to an excruciating degree, and maybe The Press, but not as much from the AMA, your family doctor, or hospital. Regular news about Covid is just regular news, like any other. Anti-vaxers can be internet, and conspiracy theory driven blatherers. What's excruciating, the Left, its tame media, corporations and some fascist portion of the vaccinated (not all - many are also unhappy with bully tactics, they or other citizens losing their rights and free choice, to keep their employment and so on) have been politicizing the pandemic, lockdowns, vaxxes to the utmost for two years and Peter sees the declining numbers of "anti-vaxxers" - as the culprits! There's the cause and effect you're reversing, Peter. The "Left" has been the *predominant* (not altogether, exclusive) cause of Everything in the past 7 or so years. Political, cultural, social, activist, moral, philosophical. What you believe you observe ("been politicized") are the flurries of resistance by individuals, like the many little waves in a powerful tidal bore dragging everyone out to sea. (To Socialism). Whatever some find too complex to rationally and effortfully unravel will be safely written off as "conspiracy theory". As if there cannot be anyone colluding with anyone else and with many other collaborators in all this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Marc said: Ellen, what does " take Vienna" mean please? Kassam wrote in the tweet, "Do not relent. You have the moment. Take Vienna." You'd have to ask him to be sure what he meant. I took him to be referring to the Ottoman sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683. Both sieges failed, and of course if you're pro-Western civilization, you're glad that they failed, but I think that what Kassam was expressing was a "now is when to win the prize" battle call. What he said hit me the way it did because I want so much to return to Vienna. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 hours ago, tmj said: Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States WWW.NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV Science? To and fro of discussion? A Harvard Study Is Going Viral Among Anti-Vaxxers. The Author Says They Are All Wrong From the concluding paragraph of the cited study by Subramanian and Kumar -- in the European Journal of Epidemiology: Quote In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus. From the article written by Ali Breland at Mother Jones, quoting the lead author: Quote But on closer inspection, Subramanian’s paper, which was published in the peer-reviewed European Journal of Epidemiology, simply examines the lack of correlation between broad geographies’ vaccination rates and their rates of new COVID cases. For example, Subramanian points to countries like Israel, which have high rates of both vaccination and new infections. But instead of concluding that such data means vaccines are useless, Subramanian says his findings suggest that it’s unwise to ignore other treatments and precautionary steps—say, masks or lockdowns. In other words, he writes, the “sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined… other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination.” Over email, Subramanian insisted that the positive effects of vaccines are not in doubt: “Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.” On a different tangent, Carrie Madej's claims about the immortal self-aware organism in the mumbly-sourced vaccine vials ... are topped by another fine person claiming a Polish team saw aluminum-based life-forms in mumbly-sourced vaccine vials ... Scientist Discovers Aluminium-Based Life Forms in the Vaccine (Eggs Hatch after Injection) WWW.BITCHUTE.COM When you thought you had seen it all!... A polish scientist, Dr Franc Zalewski, looking into the secret "vaccine" recipe made horrific discoveries! Another strange parasite, nanobot or a... -- the interviewee names several other researchers, for those who like to track down cited materials. I'll be trying to find the OG video report Dr Ruby notes. BONUS for those who wonder if human ingenuity can get a visual on the virus called SARS-CoV-2: How I Built a 3-D Model of the Coronavirus for Scientific American WWW.SCIENTIFICAMERICAN.COM Rendering SARS-CoV-2 in molecular detail required a mix of research, hypothesis and artistic license Magic Graphene! -- Unmasking the magic of superconductivity in twisted graphene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said: Kassam wrote in the tweet, "Do not relent. You have the moment. Take Vienna." You'd have to ask him to be sure what he meant. I took him to be referring to the Ottoman sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683. Both sieges failed, and of course if you're pro-Western civilization, you're glad that they failed, but I think that what Kassam was expressing was a "now is when to win the prize" battle call. What he said hit me the way it did because I want so much to return to Vienna. Ellen Perfectly stated, thank you and it makes sense so no need to ask him!! My Grandmother was from Vienna, a beautiful place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 William Peter claimed it was a scientifically accurate fact that lower vaccination rates directly correlate to higher case frequency and severity. I posted a link to a study that claims to have found no such correlation. You posted a link to an opinion piece that describes the study’s internet life and how people will share the study with no comment which proves their motivations as ardent hesitants er , Anti vaxxers. I asked a question in my post , so not not commented , now does that make me anti anti vax or pro or vaccine supremacist ? I read the study as presented at the link , I’ll read it again to see if what I think the study claimed about correlation is what I think the study claimed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, tmj said: Peter claimed it was a scientifically accurate fact that lower vaccination rates directly correlate to higher case frequency and severity. I posted a link to a study that claims to have found no such correlation. Blah, blah, blah. Yes, but did you ask your doctor? Trust your doctor. Why won't you trust your doctor??? [Ducks for cover...] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 16 hours ago, anthony said: The vaxxed need to walk their talk. Confidently if not fearlessly getting out and about. Else, why should anyone believe them? Well said, Tony. My wife is pushing for a restaurant meal. I got my flu shot at the Veteran's Administration today, and I will get my Pfizer "booster" on this Saturday. I dinna know laddy that the VA gave shots on a Saturday. I said I would be there. The double flu shot I got today has not had any repercussions. And Doctor Tinney at the VA was very nice and intelligent. So, after Saturday I am invincible @$@!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 One more item to throw on the pile. After a while, this sucker is going to crack wide open. I fully believe that. BREAKING: NIH Today Corrects False Statements by Directors Collins and Fauci - the NIH Did Fund Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan WWW.THEGATEWAYPUNDIT.COM NIH Director Collins and NIAID Director Fauci both claimed that the NIH had not funded the gain-of-function research in Wuhan. Today we found out they lied. Dr. Fauci, the Director of NIAID, was under oath... Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Michael wrote: “After a while, this sucker is going to crack wide open.” end quote. Well said brudda. I am already celebrating. On this course you may / may be be on the money. Jack Nicholson in “Easy Rider:” “Neep, neep, neep.” When is the good going to prevail over the bad? Jack was drinking “Jim Bean “Bourbon.” I like Knob Creek better. And so to bed . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 "NIH states that EcoHealth Alliance violated Terms and Conditions of NIH grant AI110964." So I'm guessing now Fauci will claim that it was EcoHealth's fault, because He would nneeever violate the terms of a grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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