Peter Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, tmj said: the counting doesn't assess the quality of the bills. I was interested in seeing if anyone who is more familiar with the story, knew if the guy mentioned was Q. I figured the other words in the blurb would tick someone off. It is near Halloween and at 2:35 it is 78 degrees. Me like global warming and homemade chocolate chip cookies. Signed, The Cookie Monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 .. a rose by any other name .. ( w. shakespeare ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said: I DO NOT WANT "protection" from young people who might have Covid. I'll protect myself, damn it (though not by getting the poison "jabs"). Leave the young alone! Ellen, Hear hear! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, tmj said: Ellen You in the sense I used it, was the 'general' you . I hope you realize, given even only what I know of you from your postings that I would never think anything even close of that of you. I certainly would not intend to make you cry. Tad Tad, Oh, sure, I knew that you know that I'm not one of the elderly monsters of your general "you." And you - specific "you" - made me cry only in the respect that I'm tending to have tears form every time I think of those "jabs" being given to young people. It is too horrible. It's like polio vaccines turned backward. Recall, I had childhood polio, and I increasingly suffer from post-polio syndrome. The polio vaccine was to protect the children (and of course older people too), as Tony has pointed out. This shit is saddling children with possible future harm (and is outright killing some of them now) to protect the elderly from them!!! ADD: And it doesn’t even actually protect against the virus, to add insult to injury or some such sentiment…to add travesty to injury, that’s better. Ellen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Peter said: I figured the other words in the blurb would tick someone off. Yep. Trolling. Ellen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, ThatGuy said: Sometimes Altruism Needs to Be Enforced "Controlling COVID-19 requires a selflessness that comes naturally. Ironically, we still have to coerce it." Selflessness Alone Can't Fight the Pandemic - The Atlantic WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM Controlling COVID-19 requires a selflessness that comes naturally. Ironically, we still have to coerce it. This professional author, a physician and sociologist at Yale, has 'elevated' normal human kindness, helpfulness and consideration (and respect for others' rights, during this pandemic), much as had Rand observed, into a moral doctrine. One which will consistently put an end to "normal human kindness, helpfulness ..."etc. As she observed, and is well-known. Proven daily, by the anger/hate leveled at 'selfish' parts of societies by - who else? - the self-styled 'loving, kind and selfless' members. And talking about scientific psychopaths who could support a universal experiment on children (or even dogs...): "altruism's dehumanizing influence". AR ("Enforced" altruism - is socialism) By elevating the issue of helping others into the central and primary issue of ethics, altruism has destroyed the concept of any authentic benevolence or good will among men. It has indoctrinated men with the idea that to value another human being is an act of selflessness, thus implying that a man can have no personal interest in others—that to value another means to sacrifice oneself—that any love, respect or admiration a man may feel for others is not and cannot be a source of his own enjoyment, but is a threat to his existence, a sacrificial blank check signed over to his loved ones. The men who accept that dichotomy but choose its other side, the ultimate products of altruism’s dehumanizing influence, are those psychopaths who do not challenge altruism’s basic premise, but proclaim their rebellion against self-sacrifice by announcing that they are totally indifferent to anything living and would not lift a finger to help a man or a dog left mangled by a hit-and-run driver (who is usually one of their own kind). “The Ethics of Emergencies,” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 tmj, Thanks for posting the link to the video about the 19 year old woman. At the very end the young woman said she couldn’t talk about something personal because she was still trying to face “what has been taken from me” (quoting from memory). This could refer to a neurological deficit because earlier she spoke of having had tremors and a severe headache, symptoms of a neurological assault. But another, I imagine more likely, possibility is that the shot-induced blood clots rendered her infertile. I added the video to this list of horrors, mainly focusing on the neurological:Vaccine Horrors At the end there is a link to an interview with a physician’s aid:Deborah Conrad Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said: Yep. Trolling. I do not live under a bridge . . . You're a troll . . . no I'm not . . . yes you are . . . no . . . You could put me on your do not read list but then you won't know what I am saying about you. joke. I thought those old letters from you were excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Meanwhile back at ARI ... Yaron Brook Show, 12 September 2021 [25:10] "Why are people not getting vaccinated? What is it about these vaccines that is causing people not to get vaccinated? Because, I mean, the reality is that anybody over a certain age, and certainly in certain parts of the country, it is completely rational [sic?] not to get vaccinated. The, the, the, the number of people dying from covid is ten times more among the vaccinated than the non-vaccinated [sic, he intended to say the reverse, as what he says next makes clear]. I mean, if you have any susceptibility to this [covid disease], because of age, because of co-morbidity, or just, if you want to eliminate the random risk, the possibility that you would, you know, land up in a hospital from this, you get vaccinated. The cost is minimal and the side-effects are minimal. The risk is zero. "So why aren’t people getting vaccinated? And the reason people are not getting vaccinated, the reason people buy into conspiracy theories, or one reason they buy into conspiracy theories around this, is because a political class, left and right, have completely lost, completely lost, the confidence of the American people. [Suddenly reads from chat:] Wonder Freeman says ‘Sepsis kills 300 thousand people a year.’ Yes. But the point is that if you get vaccinated covid shouldn’t be killing anybody, pretty much. I mean, yes, some people will still die, but the numbers would by tiny and insignificant, and nobody would, it would be less than sepsis, a lot less. It’s, this is, huh, covid is easy to deal with. Vaccines are amazing. Amazingly effective. "But everybody has lost confidence in our government. They’ve lost confidence in the authorities, they’ve lost confidence in our president, in the previous one and in this one. They’ve lost confidence in the entire public health mechanism. The CDC, Faucci, and the whole thing." Comment: He doesn't address why people have lost confidence in these “authorities.” After more in the same vein: "So, uh, irrationality is rampant in the world in which we live. Uh, people should do their own research, and to do their own research means get the facts, and I think that if you get the facts I think that everybody, everybody over a certain age, certainly over 40, will get vaccinated. And everybody obese, over the age of 20 would get vaccinated. But people are not interested in facts, people don’t believe the numbers, people don’t believe the evidence." Unlike his rational, factual self. He concludes that not only is it authoritarian for the government to force people to take the vaccine, it makes the vaccine look bad. He concludes: "It’s challenged in court; I hope it gets overturned, but it might not. ... but I hope in the court of public opinion it is challenged. I also hope you all get vaccinated. And then challenge it [that is, being forced to do what’s good for you]. Again, if you’re over 40, if you have uh, if you have a uh, uh, any kind of co-morbidity, please get vaccinated." The only positive thing I can say about this excerpt is that, without saying so explicitly, it takes for granted that forcing people to take the vaccine, and the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, are two separate issues. Even if the vaccine were safe and effective (I would say, Brook would say they are), it would not justify forcing people to take it. And at least he didn’t recommend the vaccine for the young. (On the other hand he didn’t explicitly discourage it.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said: And it doesn’t even actually protect against the virus... Ellen, Boris Johnson just came out and said that. He was talking about the booster shot, but you only need a booster if the original vaccine doesn't do the job, right? So whatever he says about the booster not working automatically applies to the vaccine. I saw this discussed on Bannon today. Raheem (who was involved in Brexit) said that Boris Johnson's reputation is one who eventually spills the beans in public. Raheem was mocking Boris saying if a vaccine doesn't protect you against getting an illness, nor does it keep you from spreading it, what is a vaccine for? I went looking for a article for you since you have difficulty with video. I'm not familiar with the site below, but using search engines these days is near impossible. The site below came up and gives the correct information, so this one it is. Here is an article with a 14 second video of Boris spilling the beans. Boris Admits the Vaccine "Doesn't Protect You Against Catching the Disease, and It Doesn't Protect You Against Passing it On" – The Daily Sceptic DAILYSCEPTIC.ORG The Prime Minister has admitted that the vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission. Will he now join the dots and accept vaccines don't protect others, and thus abandon all vaccine coercion? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mark said: Yaron Brook Show... Mark, Brook's thing is hedge fund stuff, right? How many Big Pharma stocks is he involved in? That would be interesting to know, including front company schemes and so on. I believe that would explain everything about his positions on vaccines. Everything. In other words, in this case, in practice, money talks and bullshit is for Objectivists. Incidentally, I heard today that the modern vaccines are the top selling products in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. Of course, governments are the ones paying for them... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark said: Meanwhile back at ARI ... Yaron Brook Show, 12 September 2021 [25:10] "Why are people not getting vaccinated? What is it about these vaccines that is causing people not to get vaccinated? Because, I mean, the reality is that anybody over a certain age, and certainly in certain parts of the country, it is completely rational not to get vaccinated. Typo, presumably - irrational, not rational. Brook demonstrates not a shred of evidence of comprehending the dangerous mechanism of the accursed "jabs." Why indeed would someone not want the risk? Doesn’t need any political considerations. Some biological knowledge is plenty. Ellen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I went looking for a article for you since you have difficulty with video. I'm not familiar with the site below, but using search engines these days is near impossible. The site below came up and gives the correct information, so this one it is. Here is an article with a 14 second video of Boris spilling the beans. Thanks, Michael. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Ellen, I listened several times to make a faithful transcript and was puzzled myself at that word “rational”. It may have been a verbal slip, hard to tell; he’s not the most consistent person in the world. I added [sic ?] to the transcription. Any masochists here can listen to it at youtube.com/watch?v=QX6BJAxuSFI&t=1510s Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 New Jersey's governor race just got a lot more dramatic: Campaign Senior Advisor Reveals New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy to Impose State-Wide COVID Vaccine Mandate AFTER Re-Election “He [Murphy] is going to do it [COVID vaccine mandate], but he couldn’t do it before the elections. Because of the independents and the undecided. #MurphyMandates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Dwight Eisenhower 1961 — “There May Come A Day Our Public Policy Is Held Captive By Scientific Elite” "The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever-present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Lesson from America, 1961 – The Daily Sceptic DAILYSCEPTIC.ORG by Cephas Alain As interest has increased in the lab leak hypothesis for the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic it has cast the spotlight upon... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, ThatGuy said: Dwight Eisenhower 1961 — “There May Come A Day Our Public Policy Is Held Captive By Scientific Elite” "The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever-present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Lesson from America, 1961 – The Daily Sceptic DAILYSCEPTIC.ORG by Cephas Alain As interest has increased in the lab leak hypothesis for the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic it has cast the spotlight upon... What a refreshing find, this journal, TG. I recommend this essay by (wow!) a Leftist (I gather, of the old school, British Trade Union - Up the Worker - sort). Nearly all I agree with and saw, covering the background of lockdowns in the UK and the US, and how the (New/Woke/hypocritical/virtue-signaling/elitist) "Lockdown Left" screwed up by seizing on lockdowns for socio-political gain, which heavily disfavored the blue collar, working class and poor. By his arguments he'd certainly be against mandated vaccines today. He doesn't pull his punches, Leftist or Unionist, one can relate to the intellectual candor and anti-authoritarianism. Why the Left Should Oppose Lockdown – The Daily Sceptic DAILYSCEPTIC.ORG by Phil Shannon Preamble The contemporary left’s support for an economically devastating, authoritarian lockdown, which doesn’t even... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Seems my original idea was the best one. Let people live however the hell they want, even sneeze on each other… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 "Strange political bedfellows", true - when an Objectivist can endorse everything this Lefty writes (at least on this subject). Miles ahead intellectually, politically, economically and morally of the official O'ist line - imo. The greatest blunder "in living ... memory". (I kind of miss the old Left, a tough, independent and no-nonsense breed, you knew exactly where they stood. Seems any, like Shannon, are being left behind by Woke, c.r.t., etc. He's probably sneered at by them as a sell-out dinosaur). He ends: "Although it is far easier for the left to never agree with the right on anything, it is possible for the left and the right to agree to be all grown-up and adult on what divides us whilst working productively on opposing, and learning from, the disaster of lockdown. Breaking bread with your traditional enemies does carry political risk (to which the ex-leftists which litter the political landscape testify) but any fear of lockdown scepticism being a conservative Trojan Horse is overblown. Strange lockdown times make for strange political bedfellows but if the greatest political blunder and economic own goal in living political memory doesn’t throw up some novel and much needed political couplings, then what will? And who knows what new political charms and pleasures we may discover in each other’s arms". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I haven’t words to express my anger and disgust. FDA Panel Approves Pfizer Covid Vax For Kids Ages 5-11, Concedes it Doesn't Know Long-Term Risks to Children (VIDEO) WWW.THEGATEWAYPUNDIT.COM The FDA’s panel of independent vaccine advisors on Tuesday voted 17-0 to recommend Pfizer’s Covid vaccine for children ages 5 to 11. An advisory panel with the CDC is expected to approve the vaccine after... Quote “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it,” one of the FDA’s voting members said on Tuesday. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said: I haven’t words to express my anger and disgust. FDA Panel Approves Pfizer Covid Vax For Kids Ages 5-11, Concedes it Doesn't Know Long-Term Risks to Children (VIDEO) WWW.THEGATEWAYPUNDIT.COM The FDA’s panel of independent vaccine advisors on Tuesday voted 17-0 to recommend Pfizer’s Covid vaccine for children ages 5 to 11. An advisory panel with the CDC is expected to approve the vaccine after... Ellen This is obviously not the same board that voted 16-2 against the boosters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Ten red flags in the FDA's risk-benefit analysis of Pfizer's EUA application to inject American children 5 to 11 with its mRNA product - by Toby Rogers - uTobian TOBYROGERS.SUBSTACK.COM The FDA briefing document is preposterous junk science and it must be withdrawn immediately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I'd heard that vaccine deaths are being erased because if you die within 14 days of getting the 2nd dose, you are considered unvaccinated... If that is the reason that Taiwan is recording more deaths, then, wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 I would advise my granddaughter to wait until more information is available and my wife agrees. My wife got her third Moderna shot and for a day and a half has not felt well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 "People who fund the torture of dogs shouldn't be allowed to make medical decisions about how to raise your kids." - Charlie Kirkhttps://gab.com/ResisttheMainstream/posts/107171637999907598 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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