The 2020 Presidential Election Tournament

[Peter]

William asked, “In the meantime, is Trumplove stronger than Trumphate? How to assess the probabilities in the absence of reliable or indicative public opinion surveys?”

I have no doubt other Trump supporters are as enthusiastically ready to vote, and Trump and Representative Andy Harris of Maryland will win the day here in Blue Maryland. As I have mentioned the only place I see Biden / Harris signs is in black neighborhoods. So far this year I have not seen signs disappear or get torn up.

The hatred for Trump is prominent in very limited places like large cities . . . . on the coasts. Middle America is Trump country. The Hollywood elites have TDS except for a few patriotic “stars”.  So, I think love outweighs hate. There are NO enthusiastic democratic rallies as during the Viet Nam war. There ARE enthusiastic Trump rallies.

I looked up polling places and there were only four in my county, and only one where you can vote early from October 30 until November 2^nd. I think we the people will vote in person across America, or take our pre done ballots to drop boxes that are constantly watched. How cool is that?  And how are objectivists voting? Reason clearly indicates who Ayn Rand would enthusiastically support: Donald J. Trump. Peter    

Notes. Who in Hollywood are supporting Donald? The celebrities that are pro-Trump. Jeff Bridges, Bruce Willis, Jon Voight, Caitlyn Jenner, Clint Eastwood, Stephen Baldwin, Stacy Dash, Scott Baio, etc.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

2 hours ago, turkeyfoot said:

But if we entertain this level of hatred to not just passing comments from uncivil people but people with a real axe to grind and real benefits to gain why would it be unthinkable that an invisible Chinese hand in it...

TF,

It's not unthinkable. I think it all the time.

Here's an idea for you. The Chinese Communist Party owns the Democrats, meaning the Dem leaders. That, to me, is definitely thinkable.

Feinstein's Chinese spy who drove her around for years was a nice touch, doncha think?  And just look at her bank account...

Hell, Biden himself has a billion or more in his family coffers put there by the Chinese.

Examples are many and easy to find.

But here's something to think about. See if you can go back in your mind to around the beginning of September 2000.

What if I told TF in 2000--instead of 2020--that it would be easy to make a deadly conspiracy against the US and carry it out by having a handful of religious fanatics use boxcutters to hijack commercial airplanes and run the planes into buildings?

Would TF in 2000 laugh or not laugh? Would he believe me or would he say that would be impossible and conspiracy theory nonsense?

 

If you want to know about poison and infection delivery systems and how stupidly simple they are to make and deploy without detection, here's a book full of them about a CIA officer who's job was precisely that: Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control by Stephen Kinzer. (btw - That's an affiliate link. I gotta say that now. Thus sayeth Amazon.) 

2 hours ago, turkeyfoot said:

And again when have the Dems had a public event, other than protests/rioting with top people together enough to lead to an equivalent outcome?

As I mentioned earlier, their stuff is behind closed doors. Think about it. They talk and meet and even party all the time. They play for the camera, not for medical considerations. And they keep getting busted breaking protocol.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

This guy is a darling of the Dems. He says what they all think, even when they are being cordial.

Keith Olbermann: Trump Supporters Are ‘Maggots,’ Must Be ‘Prosecuted’

Breitbart supplied the transcript.

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Trump can be and must be expunged. The hate he has triggered, the Pandora’s box he has opened, they will not be so easily destroyed.

So, let us brace ourselves. The task is twofold: the terrorist Trump must be defeated, must be destroyed, must be devoured at the ballot box, and he and his enablers and his supporters and his collaborators and the Mike Lees and the William Barrs and the Sean Hannitys and the Mike Pences and the Rudy Giulianis and the Kyle Rittenhouses and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and to rebuild the world Trump has nearly destroyed by turning it over to a virus.

Remember it, even as we dream of a return to reality and safety and the country for which our forefathers died, that the fight is not just to win an election but to win it by enough to chase, at least for the moment, Trump and the maggots off the stage. And then try to clean up what they left.

Remember it, even though to remember it means remembering that the fight does not end on November 3^rd but in many ways will only begin that day.

Imagine this guy with a gun and alone with an unarmed Trump...

Or imagine him in power and Director of Political Interrogations and Reeducation Camps for the General Population...

This is what this election is about.

They're not even hiding it.

What's more, scratch Olberman and I bet you will find Chinese Communist Party money flowing in his veins.

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

What about no high-level Democrats getting the virus?

What about no reports of high-level Democrats getting the virus?  I'm doubtful that none of them are getting it.

However, as TF pointed out in this post, the high-level Democrats haven't been congregating in large numbers at events which invite a virus to spread.

(I'm reminded of stories of people congregating to pray in churches during the horrific 1918 epidemic.  People then didn’t know the risk.)

Another point TF makes in a different post (here) is, if it was an assassination attempt, then why not use something sure to do the job?

Seems to me it was either natural or bungled.  At this time, I'm thinking it was natural.  My opinion could change upon further evidence.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

President Trump now has a clean bill of health.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Seems to me it was either natural or bungled.

Ellen,

After watching the bad guys throw everything they've got against Trump for several years and keep missing, I can see bungled real easy.

As an indication, just look at the string of busted embezzlers, thugs, porn stars, pedophiles, spies and intelligence personnel, corrupt politicians and officials, sleazy celebrities, and shady people of all stripes they have gone through to do their bidding against Trump, only to have one after another fail.

They can't even get voter fraud right anymore.

Michael

[turkeyfoot]

13 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

TF,

It's not unthinkable. I think it all the time.

Here's an idea for you. The Chinese Communist Party owns the Democrats, meaning the Dem leaders. That, to me, is definitely thinkable.

Feinstein's Chinese spy who drove her around for years was a nice touch, doncha think?  And just look at her bank account...

Hell, Biden himself has a billion or more in his family coffers put there by the Chinese.

Examples are many and easy to find.

But here's something to think about. See if you can go back in your mind to around the beginning of September 2000.

What if I told TF in 2000--instead of 2020--that it would be easy to make a deadly conspiracy against the US and carry it out by having a handful of religious fanatics use boxcutters to hijack commercial airplanes and run the planes into buildings?

Would TF in 2000 laugh or not laugh? Would he believe me or would he say that would be impossible and conspiracy theory nonsense?

 

If you want to know about poison and infection delivery systems and how stupidly simple they are to make and deploy without detection, here's a book full of them about a CIA officer who's job was precisely that: Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control by Stephen Kinzer. (btw - That's an affiliate link. I gotta say that now. Thus sayeth Amazon.) 

As I mentioned earlier, their stuff is behind closed doors. Think about it. They talk and meet and even party all the time. They play for the camera, not for medical considerations. And they keep getting busted breaking protocol.

Michael

For me, in 2000 that level of domestic terrorism? Would have been unthinkable. I was full tilt a working stiff.  That marked the end of passive thinking and ignorance. In many ways it helped expose internal workings of my childhood mentality and those who raised me, so repressed was I.

Pelosi's lost it (25th A-again), the Dems have lost the discipline they once had a long time ago. Trump crossed the rubicon forcing the Dems to come clean with their vile hatred of everything American. There isn't even a veneer to cover the dichotomy. I'm glad for it because its easier when dealing with good vs bad. 

I suppose its easier to break it down by looking at SARS-CoV-2 for what it is. Is it deadly? Yea, potentially. Look at how easily the President got well. The virus is not what the Dems would have us believe. Not even for the most vulnerable among us. What are we left with? If Trump died it was his own immune system that killed him and the Dems would have capitalized on the "proof" of c19's risk. But what it handed them instead is a healthy Pres exposing the lie Dems give c19. That is the truth. 

Even the ignorant masses set against Orange Man can easily realize the absurdity. The most ardent follower of Dem think wants Trump gone by whatever means. Yet he survived what they regard as the 2nd most dangerous thing. Really? 

[Peter]

T.F. wrote: Look at how easily the President got well.

That is true, but unfortunately “others” would NOT get the same medical treatment at this time. And he has mentioned two very serious episodes during his illness.

It is comforting to know that we do have decent treatments to survive, including supplemental oxygen, etc. I already mentioned that I followed the reasoning of some medical news stories on TV and received a flu shot at CVS Pharmacy two days ago to boost my immune system and to ward off the common flu. I take an occasional vitamin to boost my zinc level. And I try to self-quarantine. I will continue to do that until a proven and tested vaccine is available.

And I too thought about just risking it to get it over with . . . but too many locals have stories about how it was the worst they have ever felt and they thought they were going to die. That sounds worse than shooting yourself in the foot or joining a jalapeno pepper eating contest. I will pass on that brave course of self-treatment. Peter   

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

16 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

What about no reports of high-level Democrats getting the virus?  I'm doubtful that none of them are getting it.

Ellen,

That's a very good questions and it's actually the first version of the question I asked (which I've asked several times in the same form), except I said list instead of report.

On 10/2/2020 at 10:35 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Where is the list of high-level Democrats getting sick?

To reflect on why there is none, I can see them hiding some sick Dems as a remote possibility. But Dems luvs them some victimization stories.

They hide things like pedophilia and embezzlement well. And, of course, how they do their talking points for the day and things like that.

I don't see them having the spine to ignore a great victimization story about one of their own getting sick when they can easily blame this on Trump.

That would be like giving a banana to a monkey and telling the monkey to not to eat it.

I suppose it's possible there are no reports of high-level Democrats getting sick because they actually are getting sick and in cahoots to keep this from the public, but it's like the possibility of finding a razor blade in your Quaker's oatmeal. It's possible, I suppose. I wouldn't give it very good odds.

And, just to make sure it's not forgotten:

Where is the list of high-level Democrats getting sick? 

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I suppose it's possible there are no reports of high-level Democrats getting sick because they actually are getting sick and in cahoots to keep this from the public, but it's like the possibility of finding a razor blade in your Quaker's oatmeal. It's possible, I suppose. I wouldn't give it very good odds.

I disagree about the odds.  I think the Dems would want to give the appearance that - unlike the foolhardy Republicans - they’re doing all the right things to protect themselves (even though they aren’t).

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

47 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

I disagree about the odds.  I think the Dems would want to give the appearance that - unlike the foolhardy Republicans - they’re doing all the right things to protect themselves (even though they aren’t).

Ellen

Ellen,

I agree that's part of the story out there and I agree it is being pumped hard from the top.

I don't agree that this particular story is enough to make the Dems consistent on a wide scale, though.

When the Dems close ranks, they are really good at closing ranks. But when they get a hold something that excites their lizard brain, they will take down their own icons and funders without blinking, even though they get pissed at themselves later.

Taking down Harvey Weinstein in the MeToo ferver is an example of where their closed ranks busted wide open like that.

I think a story that Trump killed one of their own (meaning an important Dem), or made the person deathly sick with the possibility of dying, is just too juicy. Someone in their ranks will break. They won't be able to help themselves.

This is what I'm talking about:

On 7/15/2020 at 6:25 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Remember Roger Rabbit going mmmphhhhffff mmphhhhffff mmphhhhffff while he was hiding because someone sang, "Shave and a hair cut..." and then stopped?

Finally Roger pops out, strikes a pose, and goes,

"Two biiiiittts!"

 

There is no temptation to do that with hiding pedophilia or other nasty facts. So those ranks are closed and sealed.

Hell, Bob Menendez practically had a guest suite on Epstein's pedo island and nobody was able to nail him. I can list a whole series of things like that. Granted, that's bigger than just the Dems, but the top Dems do this stuff.

Even after showing the entire world he was a pervert, Anthony Weiner was able to run in the primaries for the Mayor of NYC with the party's blessing.

Epstein himself probably stepped too hard on someone's toes and they let him off with a slap on the wrist on the first go around. And, I believe, he stepped too hard again. So they let the pressure bust wide open on him. Then they killed him in front of the whole world--which, incidentally, was a great message to others like him within their ranks.

They are really good at closing ranks--with an issue like that.

But they are also many. Imagine being a Dem and thinking you finally have the goods to take out Trump, but you are frustrated because you believe the people at the top are moving too slow. They are blowing it. So you could be the little guy from nowhere who appears and saves the day. 

Then it's Roger Rabbit time.

I don't think keeping a real list of important sick Dems secret is within the capability of the Dem herd. I think many can do it, especially at the top, but on this issue, there are just too many easy-to-believe counter-narratives (like the little guy saving the day). And there are just too many assistants and news folks scurrying all over the place with dreams of taking Trump down and knowing time is running out.

So I give the possibility that they are uniform on closing ranks on this very low odds.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Then it's Roger Rabbit time.

No sooner do I write that then here comes what looks like a trial balloon. 

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear and family under quarantine for possible COVID-19 exposure

He's a Dem and he doesn't have it so far.

He and his Dem family have been near a law enforcement agent who tested positive--the State Trooper drove them somewhere, then later that day tested positive.

Everybody was all masked up all the time.

Michael

[merjet]

2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Everybody was all masked up all the time.

That is not in the WKRN.com story. 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, merjet said:

4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Everybody was all masked up all the time.

That is not in the WKRN.com story. 

Merlin,

sigh...

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According to the Governor’s statement, a member of Beshear’s security detail drove the Beshear family on Saturday and learned of a positive COVID-19 test later in the day. The Beshear family was reportedly not in contact with anyone else following exposure.

Gov. Beshear and his family as well as the trooper driving them were all wearing face coverings.

Is your quibble about face coverings versus masks?

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Beware of Biden.

He is killing it in the polls.

Trump is toasl!

Michael

[merjet]

25 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Is your quibble about face coverings versus masks?

No. What gave you that silly notion?

I know you don't have a high regard for truth.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

4 hours ago, merjet said:

I know you don't have a high regard for truth.

There you are.

I wondered where you had gone off to.

 

 

[Ellen Stuttle]

18 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Where is the list of high-level Democrats getting sick? 

Michael,

It occurred to me last night that I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "getting sick."  But now you've quoted a news item about a Dem governor under quarantine for possible exposure - which is in line with what I thought you meant.

I'll ask the question directly:  What do you mean by "getting sick"?  I was taking you to mean anything from simply getting the virus, i.e., testing positive, upward in severity.

Also, what are you meaning by "high-level Democrats"?  How extensive a group are you including in that category?

Ellen

[Ellen Stuttle]

10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

No sooner do I write that then here comes what looks like a trial balloon. 

A trial balloon for what?

At this point, I'm mystified as to what the Dem plot you’ve been hinting at supposedly is.

Initially, I thought that you were taking the absence of reported Covid cases among Democrats as evidence that Trump was deliberately infected.  And I think that that's what Limbaugh was indicating in the transcript segment you quoted from him.  But now you seem to have some other plot in mind.  Have you changed what you think the plot is, or have I never understood from the beginning what you've been driving at?

Ellen 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

11 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

What do you mean by "getting sick"?

Ellen,

In the context I have been talking, I mean high level Dems getting sick with COVID-19 or at high risk personally. 

I don't mean in group with the rest of humankind. I mean as individuals and as Dems.

In the possibility of someone poisoning Trump and his people with COVID-19, the lack of such a high-level Dem list of sick people is an indication that they were spared for some reason (like some among them ordering a poisoning of Trump and his close peeps, for instance).

Parallel to that, and I want to stop here and emphasize that. Parallel to that. This parallel part does not have to be consistent. The aim of the Dems is to get rid of Trump and win the election. Their aim is not to be consistent about anything other than that. In fact, they are constantly inconsistent, but never about their target. Their target is always Trump.

It is perfectly possible for them to attack Trump with poisoning and attack him with propaganda, even if that means the same fact will have conflicting meanings.

So, with that understanding, parallel to that, in the modern propaganda war, the Dems are waging, being politically prominent and getting COVID-19 is akin to being possessed by a demon. (For this propaganda point, we're talking about the underbelly of the mind, not anything rational. Covert fears almost without words to describe them.)

Just look at how they stomp all over Herman Cain, even today. The mockery is nonstop. He's a dumbass who played with the devil and got possessed, got killed, and got carried off to hell. They don't use those words, but that is always the underlying feeling in their messaging. 

That's what they were doing with President Trump when he tested positive: the dumbass who got possessed.

Emotion-wise, this is connected with what people felt in antiquity about carrying the cross against vampires, that is, in modern terms, The Mask against COVID-19. They didn't treat Rand Paul like he was possessed when he got sick because that was before the rules were set. That was before the cross, The Mask, was ordained as the power to ward off evil. 

Leprosy, as it was considered in antiquity, also works as a good stand-in. If you were a in leader's group or his opponents, you would not want any of your team to have leprosy or look like they were going to get leprosy. 

That used to be considered "unclean." And once a person was unclean in sickness, he or she was certainly unclean morally (meaning God disfavored them). Thus they were banished and when clean people thought of them, they thought about something icky.

Humans still think like this in groups.

To the Dems and the message they are trying to transmit, Republicans around Trump are unclean whereas they, the Dems, are clean.

In "control the narrative" terms, if one of them comes off as unclean by getting COVID-19, that means someone among the Dems got morally contaminated and they are no longer favored by God (or nature, or the technocratic nobility, or Marx, or whatever moral powers that be that they believe in).

This appeals to the superstitious side of humans. Rational people tend to ignore this side. Propagandist, especially effective ones, never do.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Ellen,

The trial balloon is to avoid a backlash against being labeled as attempting an assassination. They have been proven to stage a coup. For the public to imagine them staging an assassination is a small step.

So, suddenly, they need to find something, anything, that destroys that image. A high-level Dem getting sick is a good way to say, "See? If we were doing that, we would not be getting sick ourselves."

But they also need to see how this will impact their propaganda since it flies directly in the face of it. What better way than producing a high-level Dem who had contact with a vampire, but also carried a cross and is not possessed yet?

They will see how that plays out, then go on from there. And they don't even need to sacrifice their high-level Dem with real sickness.

Michael

[Peter]

There is no mail today, Columbus Day. Judge Barret just gave her opening statement. The DOW is around 28,900, near all time highs. Things may be a little rosier today and trending towards President Trump with election day only 22 days to go. That video where no one showed up at a Biden / Harris campaign event was inspiring.

Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll Monday, October 12, 2020 . . . . shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

Real Clear Politics estimated Electoral College vote has Biden at 226 Trump at 125 and 187 undecided. The No Tossup map has Biden at 358 and Trump at 180.

The Senate map has Democrats at 47, Republicans at 46, and 7 tossup seats.

USA TODAY Network reporters explore battlegrounds within 6 states – the keys to the political map in the states likely to choose the next president. Three are Great Lakes battlegrounds that Donald Trump carried four years ago by less than a percentage point: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania . . . . And three are Sunbelt battlegrounds where Trumps 2016 margins were a little bigger: Arizona, Florida and North Carolina. 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

How can anyone square what the press says about Biden beating Trump when they keep seeing this?

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

This is almost like a campaign ad for Trump-Pence.

When Pelosi starts lashing out at Wolf Blitzer instead of President Trump, underneath she's cornered and scared.

But she's also crazy.

Just think, a vote for Biden is a vote for more of this.

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

How sweet it is.

Of course, this is leftie Jimmy, so we have to discount the Trump digs.

But sweet is sweet and this is sweet.

I'm dreaming a bit, but a thing like this could take Pelosi out.

How many people want a slice of $1.8 trillion?

People betray and kill each other over exponentially less money.

Right now they are looking at Pelosi and an itch is starting to form in their souls...

Michael