Frank's Niece!

[Selene]

Ayn Rand had a good phrase for it when you let folks like that hurt you. She was talking about the moral realm, but it works for the emotional one as well. She called it sanction of the victim. That dude can only hurt you if you give him your sanction to. So just remove your sanction and erase him from your life. Problem solved.

This is basically a control thing. You can't control when someone wants to be a jerk. But you can control your sanction of interacting with him.

Michael

Excellent statement.

You judge the person who looks to hurt you, or, attempt to seriously damage you with their words and ask yourself whether they are someone you value?

If you value a person that attempts to harm you, Ayn would say check and change what you value.

Then, as Michael astutely points out, withdraw your sanctioning of their behaviour and walk away.

Remember that person gets to spend twenty-four (24) hours a day with themselves and you get to spend it with yourself and you are worthy.

A...

[Cathy]

Cathy,

I don't belong to the Ayn Rand International Facebook group and I don't feel like joining, although I looked and there are several people who are my Facebook friends who belong to it.

I looked up Juan Gallardo and the sucker lives right where I do, here in Evanston!

I looked at what I could on Facebook without joining, sending messages, etc., and he seems harmless enough. All bark and no bite. His page says he's a widower looking for women, so that might explain why he's looking at strippers and not at Ayn Rand on an Ayn Rand page.

I think the dude's lonely and a bit stupid, but not evil. Anyone who would be gratuitously hostile to you is stupid.

For the record, your aunt did a Playboy interview. She said she approved of the glorification of the human body like that magazine did. But she also thought pornography was disgusting because, to her, the act of sex demanded privacy. (If I remember correctly, she had some choice comments to say about livestock and barns when she discussed it, too. ) She defended the right of all to engage in pornography and buy it, though, so long as they were adults and did so consensually.

A stripper? In my understanding of Rand, I thinks she would have put it in context. If the strip were artistic, I think she would have been for it. The Stoddard Temple that Roark designed in The Fountainhead had a statue of a nude woman in the middle of it. If the strip were nothing but a prompt for lewd thoughts and behavior like in a seedy nightclub, I think she would have blasted it as disgusting. My opinion...

Also, Gallardo is probably hostile to Christianity, so he probably wouldn't respect your values in raising kids. My recommendation is to stay away from people like that. They tend to want to hurt people they don't understand.

Ayn Rand had a good phrase for it when you let folks like that hurt you. She was talking about the moral realm, but it works for the emotional one as well. She called it sanction of the victim. That dude can only hurt you if you give him your sanction to. So just remove your sanction and erase him from your life. Problem solved.

This is basically a control thing. You can't control when someone wants to be a jerk. But you can control your sanction of interacting with him.

Michael

Thank you Michael, If anyone disagrees with this guy he blocks you from the group. I ask to be removed and he wouldn't do it so he could insult me more. I was trying to remove my sanction . I understand as a stripper's dance done tastefully could be considered as art...I get that, but a stripper hanging off a pole with a Atlas Shrugged Book beside her on the shelf I found it disgusting and disrespectful. And so did other's and Juan deleted them also. My 14 yr old is very interested in the philosophy, so much so, she now claims to be atheist. I am a Christian and was going to stop her from studying my aunts philosophies, But I didn't because I would be no better than my father. I will let her decide on her own...with talking about it. But I am very sure I don't want her to see a picture like that. I am trying to guide her to collage learning my aunts philosophies, not to a stripper's pole. I just think it was in bad taste and I said so. Well Michael, I can say one thing...better you having him near you than me...your smart enough to handle him, me, not so much...

[Cathy]

Ayn Rand had a good phrase for it when you let folks like that hurt you. She was talking about the moral realm, but it works for the emotional one as well. She called it sanction of the victim. That dude can only hurt you if you give him your sanction to. So just remove your sanction and erase him from your life. Problem solved.

This is basically a control thing. You can't control when someone wants to be a jerk. But you can control your sanction of interacting with him.

Michael

Excellent statement.

You judge the person who looks to hurt you, or, attempt to seriously damage you with their words and ask yourself whether they are someone you value?

If you value a person that attempts to harm you, Ayn would say check and change what you value.

Then, as Michael astutely points out, withdraw your sanctioning of their behaviour and walk away.

Remember that person gets to spend twenty-four (24) hours a day with themselves and you get to spend it with yourself and you are worthy.

A...

Thank you Adam, I don't understand why some sites cant have nice people on it like this one. Just like my friend pointed out that weather or not I am a niece, everyone is entitled to their opinion on a site that Ayn Rand is the subject. He blocked her also...and along with blocking her, he continued to insult me. LOL...I just realized I always run here when I am feeling in trouble....sorry. ~Cathy~

[Selene]

Ayn Rand had a good phrase for it when you let folks like that hurt you. She was talking about the moral realm, but it works for the emotional one as well. She called it sanction of the victim. That dude can only hurt you if you give him your sanction to. So just remove your sanction and erase him from your life. Problem solved.

This is basically a control thing. You can't control when someone wants to be a jerk. But you can control your sanction of interacting with him.

Michael

Excellent statement.

You judge the person who looks to hurt you, or, attempt to seriously damage you with their words and ask yourself whether they are someone you value?

If you value a person that attempts to harm you, Ayn would say check and change what you value.

Then, as Michael astutely points out, withdraw your sanctioning of their behaviour and walk away.

Remember that person gets to spend twenty-four (24) hours a day with themselves and you get to spend it with yourself and you are worthy.

A...

Thank you Adam, I don't understand why some sites cant have nice people on it like this one. Just like my friend pointed out that weather or not I am a niece, everyone is entitled to their opinion on a site that Ayn Rand is the subject. He blocked her also...and along with blocking her, he continued to insult me. LOL...I just realized I always run here when I am feeling in trouble....sorry. ~Cathy~

Not a problem.

A...

[Brant Gaede]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

--Brant

[anthony]

Adam-Selene:

Remember that person gets to spend twenty-four (24) hours a day with themselves and you get to spend it with yourself and you are worthy.

A...

Hear, hear, and superbly stated.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

Brant,

She did speak too quickly, didn't she?

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

Brant,

She did speak too quickly, didn't she?

Michael

She's one of those innocents you hear about. There are a few. I actually saw one last week. First in a month.

--Brant

[Cathy]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

--Brant

LOL....but Brant your one of the nicest! ~Cathy~

[Brant Gaede]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

--Brant

LOL....but Brant your one of the nicest! ~Cathy~

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

--Brant

I kept the light sabre--boy!--was the mugger surprised!

[Cathy]

OL has nice people on it?

Not my fault.

--Brant

LOL....but Brant your one of the nicest! ~Cathy~

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

--Brant

I kept the light sabre--boy!--was the mugger surprised!

Hmmm Brant, I am starting to wonder if you are a Star Wars Fan... ~Cathy~

[Cathy]

Here is the last of the private msg from Juan Gallardo late last night.

Yeah, you're as stupid as they get. Am I going to have to speak to your hubby to get you to quit your stupid fucking trolling?

Grow the fuck up, cunt.

I am going to have to remove myself from all the Ayn Rand websites except this one, and any of Michael Brown's sites because I don't know what sites Juan is on, I hardly ever comment on any of them but here and Michael Browns, but when I do, I don't want this guy coming after me. Maybe I don't know exactly what trolling means, but I do go to different sites to learn and help my daughter Haley learn. I have never claimed to be smart...but I would rather be stupid as a rock, than be just down right mean like Juan. If this is only some of the trash that Aunt Alice went through with hate mail, she is tougher than I am. I can see why I was left in the dark as to who my aunt really was. I am worried that Juan might connect Haley's last name to mine and start harassing her if she comments a question, so I made her remove herself from the sites she was on. I don't spell very well and in one comment Juan said, should I get my cousin William Shakespeare to help you? I don't want Haley who is only 14 to have to put up with something like that. I thought most of the ones who are on any of the Ayn Rand sites were adults, but this guy is just a mean, bully and a little boy.

this is some of the other private msg's he sent earlier:

Hi, I'm stuck in a wet paper bag and was wondering if you could help me figure my way out? You being a niece of Ayn Rand and all?

Here's another when I ask someone to help me get out of that group:

Here's what I posted after booting you:

"I took pity on her and booted her. She's on the blocked list, too - in case she later wishes to claim that she actually had the brains to figure out how to hit "unjoin"."

.

Yeah, you really put on a nice show. Thanks.

I don't want to have to put up with this kind of trash and I really don't want Haley to either. Its just a shame. ~Cathy~

[Brant Gaede]

Cathy, isn't it interesting that if we take normal human behavior and being as a zero "0" on a graph and Ayn Rand's expectation of human behavior as way, way above that, then this fellow lives way below in the mud and it's nothing but crap that's in his mind. One has to ask how was he influenced by Rand for all the good it did him. But it's all him, not you. He was a bad person before he ever came upon Ayn Rand. Not evil bad, only stupid bad. If he were the former he might be interesting enough for an autopsy the way it was done to a guy name Toohey. That kind of evil needs brains, lots of them.

Generally speaking with social media like Facebook these sorry excuses can find a way to thrive. Twitter is probably worse. I shudder to think of all the interested and interesting people--interested in Rand--who come in contact with someone like this and shuck Rand before really getting involved with her ideas.

--Brant

[anthony]

I don't get it. Is it an Objectivist site - or is it an anti-objectivist site? Either way, he doesn't deserve to use the word Objectivism.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Cathy,

Juan Gallardo...

Gotta hand it to him.

Keeping it classy in the name of Ayn Rand and Objectivism.

I wonder if Gallardo claims to represent the Ayn Rand Institute...

Just a thought...

At any rate, I wonder if they condone someone like him calling Frank's niece a "cunt."

Would someone who belongs to that group please make some screenshots of the way Gallardo has been treating Cathy? I would like to post it over here just to keep it on record for anyone who wants to see it. We don't have a huge readership, but we do have an elite one in the subcommunity.

This kind of vulgar bullying is exactly one of the reasons I distanced myself from Lindsay Perigo.

MIchael

[Brant Gaede]

Lindsay, superficially, isn't near this bad. He's much worse on a deeper level. He's also 98% self-evaporated.

--Brant

worst of all is what Leonard Peikoff has done to the representation of Objectivism and Rand's ideas--he should have stopped with OPAR or even sooner

[Cathy]

Cathy,

Juan Gallardo...

Gotta hand it to him.

Keeping it classy in the name of Ayn Rand and Objectivism.

I wonder if Gallardo claims to represent the Ayn Rand Institute...

Just a thought...

At any rate, I wonder if they condone someone like him calling Frank's niece a "cunt."

Would someone who belongs to that group please make some screenshots of the way Gallardo has been treating Cathy? I would like to post it over here just to keep it on record for anyone who wants to see it. We don't have a huge readership, but we do have an elite one in the subcommunity.

This kind of vulgar bullying is exactly one of the reasons I distanced myself from Lindsay Perigo.

MIchael

Michael those messages were in IM's (chat) on facebook. But there is plenty on the Ayn Rand International site if he didn't delete them. He blocked me so I cant see if the post's are still there. He's just a horrible man! ~Cathy~

[Cathy]

I don't get it. Is it an Objectivist site - or is it an anti-objectivist site? Either way, he doesn't deserve to use the word Objectivism.

Absolutely right! ~Cathy~

[Cathy]

Cathy, isn't it interesting that if we take normal human behavior and being as a zero "0" on a graph and Ayn Rand's expectation of human behavior as way, way above that, then this fellow lives way below in the mud and it's nothing but crap that's in his mind. One has to ask how was he influenced by Rand for all the good it did him. But it's all him, not you. He was a bad person before he ever came upon Ayn Rand. Not evil bad, only stupid bad. If he were the former he might be interesting enough for an autopsy the way it was done to a guy name Toohey. That kind of evil needs brains, lots of them.

Generally speaking with social media like Facebook these sorry excuses can find a way to thrive. Twitter is probably worse. I shudder to think of all the interested and interesting people--interested in Rand--who come in contact with someone like this and shuck Rand before really getting involved with her ideas.

--Brant

Your right Brant, Haley was getting very involved in learning her philosophies and getting involved in Government and history...let alone trying to know our families history also. The very things I was so angry about my family keeping me from I now understand because I am afraid for Haley because of ignorant men like Juan Gallardo. Maybe my father did have the foresight that I did not inherit. The bad thing is, is while Haley was learning, so was I because of her. But don't worry, we will find another way, through here or Michael Brown's website...~Cathy~ A bully of a man isn't going to stop me!

[Guyau]

I just now visited the site. It appears to be a libertarian site using Rand's name in its own and plastering lots of photos of her all over the wall. I looked at the membership and saw plenty of my friends who are well-known for alignment with and participation in the Kelley organization activities. Barbara Branden was a member of this Facebook group. I saw one long-ago friendly acquaintance whose interest in Rand has always been largely for any libertarian usefulness she might have. Two of the four administrators of the group are open enough to share on their personal pages what they do specifically for a living: hair stylist (Philippines) and dentist (Ohio). Those two give an impression of being normal friendly people. I notice administrator Juan Gallardo lives in your home town, Michael and Kat. How lucky is that?

Speaking of newly learning of old podiums, the Philosophy Now bi-monthly magazine had a serious mostly accurate article comparing Kant and Rand in its latest issue. At the discussion section of the magazine's website, I contributed a comment on the article here. You can read the discussions for free, but to see the article you need to pay a subscription, for web or paper. If you have a newsstand that carries that magazine, you might like to buy the current issue.

[Cathy]

Hope all you wonderful mother's out there have a GREAT Mother's Day!

[Cathy]

I would like to know more about Atheism. Since I know there are a lot of you on this site, I thought I would ask here. I do not judge you on your beliefs, everyone is entitled to believe what they want and choose to believe. I was forced into religion and into everything my father believe in. But there has been times in my life where I felt there wasn't a God, I am now feeling towards that way again. I see bad things happen to good people. I see the so called Christians (not every Christian) But some lie and deceive and manipulate to get their way in life, in the name of God. I know the people on here that are atheist have integrity also. I am not saying atheist are bad people because I know they are not. I always thought if you didn't believe in God, then what is there to believe in...yourself (scary thought for me)! And if you don't believe in God...what do you think happens to us when we die? What about miracles? And why is it better to be an Atheist? I know this might sound stupid...but I really need to know. Thanks! ~Cathy~

[Selene]

Morning Cathy:

I have been on both sides of the issue.

As of now as a Mason, I took an oath to a Grand Architect of the Universe.

Every Mason that I have met have been good folks. My father was a wonderful man and he was a Mason.

I am sure you will walk this path the way you discovered who your aunt was and who your uncle was.

You showed courage.

Folks here will be open with you as you know.

A...

[Brant Gaede]

Atheism is absence of belief in a supreme or other such being. When some atheists try to make something out of this nothing they only establish another church. Since God is nothing anyway--does not exist--it's all religion with those atheists being stupid and hypocritical and intolerant and superior in a way they ought not be toward other religions with their false use of reason.

--Brant

[Peter]

Cathy wrote:

I would like to know more about Atheism.

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I will try to NOT sound insulting. I know I am not profound. Why is it that a believer can recognize that Zeus, Apollo, Joseph Smith, Shiva, Thetans etc., are silly but not their own beliefs? I saw a brief article and picture of singer Cat Stevens (Peace Train) who now calls himself by a Moslem name. Bizarro! And I was just reading a book about ancient Rome, Conspirata. When I read about Roman religious beliefs and practices I am amused at their irrational certainty, as I am when I read a Tony Hillerman book about American Indians and their beliefs.

My main point is that if a Christian looks at other beliefs and scoffs at the harm the OTHER religions do, eventually the Christian might examine what they were propagandized to believe as a child. Since religion is universal it may be part of our genetic makeup to belief things that are not true if it makes us feel good about life or dying. I simply choose to not believe without proof. When you step away from your religion you can look back and examine it rationally. All religions cannot be right since they contradict each other but all religions can be wrong, and they are.