Natanyahu Lowers the Boom

[Wolf DeVoon]

a chosen people perspective

Such an oddly popular, widely shared idea. John Winthrop's Pilgrims, the Nazi Ayrans, Haile Selassie, the Zulus, Mohammed...

[BaalChatzaf]

You, sir, are a sick, sick puppy. Get your username changed.

The Jews alone possess a unique power. They completely polarize all of humanity with no middle ground to reveal everyone for what they are.

Greg

That is close to being true. I have not the slightest idea why this is the case.

I have some theories on why Jews are not universally loved and are very often scorned or attacked.

Part of the problem is "the Chosen People" meme which is a dreadfully bad notion as well as an untrue notion.

Here we go:

Jewish traders or travelers comes to town (this is back in the days when Pagan gods were common).

1. they do not acknowledge the local deities.

2. they do not do even a courtesy or pro-forma bow to the local gods.

3. they will not sit down and eat with the locals (dietary rules etc.)

4. they do not socialized with the locals, no schmoozing. Only business is done (and honest business at that).

5. they are a socially closed group. Very little cordiality is exchanged with the locals however the behavior of the Jewish traders is absolutely honest and morally correct.

Result: The local townies are annoyed. Who are these people? Who do they think they are? Are they too good to sit down and eat with us? They stick together, they are stuck up and they even think they are better than we are. Hmmppppphhh.

You see that is is the beginning of a beautiful antagonism.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[moralist]

You, sir, are a sick, sick puppy. Get your username changed.

The Jews alone possess a unique power. They completely polarize all of humanity with no middle ground to reveal everyone for what they are.

Greg

That is close to being true. I have not the slightest idea why this is the case.

I'm glad you recognized that reality, Bob. It's not even necessary to try to supply a reason.

Jews are the moral test of the world. And they have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can see that very process unfolding right here in this forum. Everyone is revealing themselves for what they truly are simply by how they regard the Jews.

...and what people don't even realize is that they are passing the judgement they deserve on themselves.

Greg

[BaalChatzaf]

I'm glad you recognized that reality, Bob. It's not even necessary to try to supply a reason.

Jews are the moral test of the world. And they have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can see that very process unfolding right here in this forum. Everyone is revealing themselves for what they truly are simply by how they regard the Jews.

...and what people don't even realize is that they are passing the judgement they deserve on themselves.

Greg

You do over-moralize a tad much.

We are Primates Mark II. We do have our limitations.

Perhaps when Primates Mark III evolved that will improve.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Mikee]

Former Egyptian Islamic radical speaks about Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC40YKLnuZU

Among other points why they hate the west (women's rights) and about compromising with radical groups. Interesting and very brave man. I don't know this mans name, I would like to know if he is still alive.

Edit to add:

Found him. He is Dr.Tawfik Hamid

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Crap I posted the above on the wrong damn thread, sorry guys(long night !)

(NOTE FROM MSK: I fixed it.)

Jules,

Just letting you know I fixed this.

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

Jews are the moral test of the world. And they have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can see that very process unfolding right here in this forum. Everyone is revealing themselves for what they truly are simply by how they regard the Jews.

...and what people don't even realize is that they are passing the judgement they deserve on themselves.

Greg

Well, going back as far as post 441 on this thread, I've found no one against the Jews or expressing disdain for Jews. Should I have gone back further? Banned Death Doll? She might fit. Only one I can think of off hand. Might you be declaiming about the amount of support for Israel?

--Brant

[moralist]

We are Primates Mark II. We do have our limitations.

Well, that's a key point where we each differ in our views, Bob.

You use monkeys as your behavioral model... and I don't.

Greg

[Jules Troy]

Crap I posted the above on the wrong damn thread, sorry guys(long night !)

(NOTE FROM MSK: I fixed it.)

Jules,

Just letting you know I fixed this.

Michael

[Jules Troy]

Thank you!

[Brant Gaede]

The thread I just started on Sherman should also inform this thread. Only clicking on the second, more quickly to the point second link therein is enough.

--Brant

www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14542#entry213687

[moralist]

Jews are the moral test of the world. And they have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can see that very process unfolding right here in this forum. Everyone is revealing themselves for what they truly are simply by how they regard the Jews.

...and what people don't even realize is that they are passing the judgement they deserve on themselves.

Greg

Well, going back as far as post 441 on this thread, I've found no one against the Jews or expressing disdain for Jews. Should I have gone back further? Banned Death Doll? She might fit. Only one I can think of off hand. Might you be declaiming about the amount of support for Israel?

--Brant

We'll just have to leave it to the difference in each of our views, Brant, because going any further than that would only cause problems.

In a broader view... America's willingness to support Israel is accurately represented by its freely elected leaders. The animosity between Natanyahu, a morally strong man, and Obama an amorally weak feminized liberal male, is palpable. Why did you think him and Kerry were prancing around trying to stab Israel in the back with a cease fire?

Greg

[Marc]

You, sir, are a sick, sick puppy. Get your username changed.

The Jews alone possess a unique power. They completely polarize all of humanity with no middle ground to reveal everyone for what they are.

Greg

That is close to being true. I have not the slightest idea why this is the case.

I have some theories on why Jews are not universally loved and are very often scorned or attacked.

Part of the problem is "the Chosen People" meme which is a dreadfully bad notion as well as an untrue notion.

Here we go:

Jewish traders or travelers comes to town (this is back in the days when Pagan gods were common).

1. they do not acknowledge the local deities.

2. they do not do even a courtesy or pro-forma bow to the local gods.

3. they will not sit down and eat with the locals (dietary rules etc.)

4. they do not socialized with the locals, no schmoozing. Only business is done (and honest business at that).

5. they are a socially closed group. Very little cordiality is exchanged with the locals however the behavior of the Jewish traders is absolutely honest and morally correct.

Result: The local townies are annoyed. Who are these people? Who do they think they are? Are they too good to sit down and eat with us? They stick together, they are stuck up and they even think they are better than we are. Hmmppppphhh.

You see that is is the beginning of a beautiful antagonism.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Wow ! Enough said , great post !

[Marc]

Jews are the moral test of the world. And they have the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can see that very process unfolding right here in this forum. Everyone is revealing themselves for what they truly are simply by how they regard the Jews.

...and what people don't even realize is that they are passing the judgement they deserve on themselves.

Greg

Well, going back as far as post 441 on this thread, I've found no one against the Jews or expressing disdain for Jews. Should I have gone back further? Banned Death Doll? She might fit. Only one I can think of off hand. Might you be declaiming about the amount of support for Israel?

-

People attack Israel sometimes with regards to a specific policy which is cool .

I have attacked weak Israeli leaders over and over .

The real issue though is when hatred comes out in the media , or via threads like this . Hatred against the Jews for whatever reasons people have .

I have seen this numerous times on this thread .

Our banned friend was simply the only one who did not disguise her views , she was very straight forward , as others ( 3-4 folks ) simply have a better vocabulary and are able to run ridiculous circular arguments.

I respect her and Arafat more than said posters because they are being honest .

[Brant Gaede]

I don't think she was being honest, Marc. I think she was outright lying about an extant evil. "Outright" doesn't mean "honest." There is also a ways of telling truth by telling outright lies. They did it all the time in the Soviet Union. It wasn't overall done very well, of course. The USSR collapsed under the weight of all the lying.

It's correct to say disrespect less than "respect ... more" here, btw. Why respect Arafat at all? You need to do more than get the trains to run on time to get any respect from me.

--Brant

[william.scherk]

People attack Israel sometimes with regards to a specific policy which is cool .

I have attacked weak Israeli leaders over and over .

The real issue though is when hatred comes out in the media , or via threads like this . Hatred against the Jews for whatever reasons people have .

I have seen this numerous times on this thread .

Our banned friend was simply the only one who did not disguise her views , she was very straight forward , as others ( 3-4 folks ) simply have a better vocabulary and are able to run ridiculous circular arguments.

I respect her and Arafat more than said posters because they are being honest .

"Said posters" being who, Marc? I think you should name them, or identify or quote their dishonest gambits. Otherwise you run the risk of slurring more than just 3 to 4 of us who are heretofore nameless.

Using a word like "attack" where "criticism" may be more apt and inclusive is one gambit I don't like. So, when you further accuse hidden "hatred against the Jews" amongst OLers, isn't it eminently fair that you name names or cite said hypocrisy and deception?

(is it me, is it Adam, is it Wolf Devoon? Is it Darrell, is it Michael, is it Brant or Carol or PDS? I say we ought get to the bottom of this hatred ...)

Edited August 10, 2014 by william.scherk

[Selene]

(is it me, is it Adam, is it Wolf Devoon? Is it Darrell, is it Michael, is it Brant or Carol or PDS? I say we ought get to the bottom of this hatred ...)

I volunteer!

I hate juices!!

Prune juice!

Pomegranate juice [not really but it does get noticed].

Does that count as hating Jews?

A...

[Brant Gaede]

People attack Israel sometimes with regards to a specific policy which is cool .

I have attacked weak Israeli leaders over and over .

The real issue though is when hatred comes out in the media , or via threads like this . Hatred against the Jews for whatever reasons people have .

I have seen this numerous times on this thread .

Our banned friend was simply the only one who did not disguise her views , she was very straight forward , as others ( 3-4 folks ) simply have a better vocabulary and are able to run ridiculous circular arguments.

I respect her and Arafat more than said posters because they are being honest .

"Said posters" being who, Marc? I think you should name them, or identify or quote their dishonest gambits. Otherwise you run the rist of slurring more than just 3 to 4 of us who are heretofore nameless.

Using a word like "attack" where "criticism" may be more apt and inclusive is one gambit I don't like. So, when you further accuse hidden "hatred against the Jews" amongst OLers, isn't it eminently fair that you name names or cite said hypocrisy and deception?

(is it me, is it Adam, is it Wolf Devoon? Is it Darrell, is it Michael, is it Brant or Carol or PDS? I say we ought get to the bottom of this hatred ...)

Aside from Naomi it's only "Krell" who made one post (47). I didn't re-review Naomi's posts so I don't now reconfirm what she was about. Most posters are generally supportive of Israel's doings to Hamas in Gaza. Just a matter of broil, boil or bake--and for how long.

--Brant

moi?

[Jules Troy]

And what a surprise! HAMAS was the first to break the ceasefire!

[anthony]

And what a surprise! HAMAS was the first to break the ceasefire!

With victory in sight, of course they would!

And they refuse to discuss a ceasefire because Israel's condition for a ceasefire is Hamas' ceasefire.

It makes sense to a child.

[Marc]

I don't think she was being honest, Marc. I think she was outright lying about an extant evil. "Outright" doesn't mean "honest." There is also a ways of telling truth by telling outright lies. They did it all the time in the Soviet Union. It wasn't overall done very well, of course. The USSR collapsed under the weight of all the lying.

It's correct to say disrespect less than "respect ... more" here, btw. Why respect Arafat at all? You need to do more than get the trains to run on time to get any respect from me.

--Brant

I do agree with you about the honest part , thanks for helping me with that . I guess it is more the respect thing then . Arafat clearly stated his goals , destruction of the State . Even when he did not clearly state this in English , he did in Arabic via certain news media outlets .

[Marc]

People attack Israel sometimes with regards to a specific policy which is cool .

I have attacked weak Israeli leaders over and over .

The real issue though is when hatred comes out in the media , or via threads like this . Hatred against the Jews for whatever reasons people have .

I have seen this numerous times on this thread .

Our banned friend was simply the only one who did not disguise her views , she was very straight forward , as others ( 3-4 folks ) simply have a better vocabulary and are able to run ridiculous circular arguments.

I respect her and Arafat more than said posters because they are being honest .

"Said posters" being who, Marc? I think you should name them, or identify or quote their dishonest gambits. Otherwise you run the risk of slurring more than just 3 to 4 of us who are heretofore nameless.

Using a word like "attack" where "criticism" may be more apt and inclusive is one gambit I don't like. So, when you further accuse hidden "hatred against the Jews" amongst OLers, isn't it eminently fair that you name names or cite said hypocrisy and deception?

(is it me, is it Adam, is it Wolf Devoon? Is it Darrell, is it Michael, is it Brant or Carol or PDS? I say we ought get to the bottom of this hatred ...)

It is very evident to anyone who reads through all the thread . There are a tremendous amount of points that are factually incorrect here . Do your own homework , read , then you will clearly see what I am speaking about . Criticism is just that . Rewriting history is another issue . Who was it who said " check your premises ? " I can be sarcastic too my friend . There are attacks on this thread , there is also criticism . I am concerned about the attacks only . I have posted a lot of links here and they explained some of the issues in detail , and there were not too many responses from what I recall . This is a great board , the people are amazing , even our banned friend is cool , we all get our points of views . she though at least stated her hatred openly . There are a few folks here who are hiding behind word games , and thats all right . What is not all right is that I simply accept it , I get to state the truth . Thats my right .

[Marc]

I do apologize for my scattered thoughts but I did not want to quote 20 posts here , so I am just writing what comes to mind after reading the whole 6 pages of this great discussion .

For anyone who does not really understand the area or population , this is for you .

Israel land area: 8,000 sq miles.

Arab land area: 5,120,000 sq miles.

Israeli total population is 7,116,200, ALL people who live in Israel, BUT 1,413,500 or 20% are Arabs (Muslim & Druze).

Israel is surrounded by 270 million Arab Muslims.

Thanks for providing the useful context of scale, Marc.

It begs the question:

Why have the Muslims (or the rest of the world for that matter) been in a constant hissyfit for so long over just one teeny tiny little country?

Hmmm?...

Greg

This is the quote that better explains my issues about this thread . If you would like to start somewhere , then answer this for me please ? To the last few posters who have an issue with what I stated .

[Marc]

People attack Israel sometimes with regards to a specific policy which is cool .

I have attacked weak Israeli leaders over and over .

The real issue though is when hatred comes out in the media , or via threads like this . Hatred against the Jews for whatever reasons people have .

I have seen this numerous times on this thread .

Our banned friend was simply the only one who did not disguise her views , she was very straight forward , as others ( 3-4 folks ) simply have a better vocabulary and are able to run ridiculous circular arguments.

I respect her and Arafat more than said posters because they are being honest .

"Said posters" being who, Marc? I think you should name them, or identify or quote their dishonest gambits. Otherwise you run the risk of slurring more than just 3 to 4 of us who are heretofore nameless.

Using a word like "attack" where "criticism" may be more apt and inclusive is one gambit I don't like. So, when you further accuse hidden "hatred against the Jews" amongst OLers, isn't it eminently fair that you name names or cite said hypocrisy and deception?

(is it me, is it Adam, is it Wolf Devoon? Is it Darrell, is it Michael, is it Brant or Carol or PDS? I say we ought get to the bottom of this hatred ...)

I just scanned through my posts over the 27 pages of this thread and it is very obvious where the dishonest gambits are . I am not going to start a flame war here and repost the issues that are incorrect . When I or someone else jumped in and attempted to correct said posts , these 3 or 4 posters simply never responded to the historical facts . They either moved on , or started to play word games . I respect MSK too much to go over 27 pages and start to repost stuff that is there for folks to check if anyone desires to see what points have been made . Again , I ask you to do your homework and not tell me to check the pages just to repost everything here and get certain folks upset . I stated the truth, believe it or deny it .

If my " 3 or 4 folks " comment offended anyone , or everyone , I really do apologize though .

[Jules Troy]

I support Israel and have been very clear about that in all my posts.