The 2020 Presidential Election Tournament

[Marc]

17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Below is the kind of rebuttal there is, and mostly will be, to Mike Lindell's documentary.

From the New York Times:

Three false claims about the election made in Mike Lindell’s new film.

To simplify, here are the claims:

And what is the counter-proof? Constant statements that "there is no evidence." And the sources? "Election officials and cybersecurity experts." Which? To quote the grand lady: blank-out.

It's a shame there is video of all this stuff, ain't it? Anybody can look at it who wants to. Not on YouTube (which is in censorship mode), but elsewhere.

Now, if only a court would look at it...

Even Scott Adams has wimped out in his latest video (see here). He said there is no way he can know if the things presented in Mike Lindell's film are true or not. But, as booby prize, he said he would not want to be lined up against Mike in a persuasion battle since Mike is one of the top marketers in the USA.

Scott did not mention that the courts have not looked at the evidence yet, which is what Mike's film is trying to prompt from public clamor. Mike even emphasized this over and over in the film. Why would Scott leave that out? Scott is an intelligent man, but he emphatically gave the impression that there is no way to know the truth.

Well, there is a way to know. Get people to look at that evidence and check it for themselves, especially the courts. I'm not even going to try to pawn off this wussiness to Scott's persuasion skills doing reverse psychology or something. I have relegated him in my mind to a fictional device called "unreliable narrator."

Michael

"Look at the evidence", how dare you?!??!?!????!

1984

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On 2/5/2021 at 1:34 PM, ThatGuy said:

They may as well come right out and admit that they cheated, at this point...

"The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election"

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

I finally read this piece of trash.

It's all about how the heroic unions saved America from a Trump dictatorship.

In short, as I see it, the true purpose of this article is to protect the bad guys (the real ones), and set up the unions as the fall guys in case shit later goes down.

The bad guys can always claim that the unions presented false info to them. After all, they, the Pollyanna elitists, tech giants, crony corporatists, and so on, were neutral or discouraged (as presented in the article) until the unions got in touch and started to convince them (through panicked info and narrative) of America's impending destruction under Trump.

Then the unions convinced them to change their policies and go against Trump.

Yeah, right...

Does anyone really believe that? I don't think the unions even believe it. And they're the heroes in the article.  

I thought this article would be evidence as an admission of conspiracy, and it kinda is, but in practical legal terms, it's part of cover-up activities.

Misdirection...

It can be evidence of that, but not a confession--not even an indirect one--of wrongdoing.

If shit later comes down, the bad guys now have a narrative to blame the unions, and the unions can say their leaders were fantasizing and exaggerating their importance.

There's nothing concrete here. No facts except some reports of Zoom calls or whatever.

It's just garbage with a bragging headline.

Crap...

There is one silver lining, though. In public perception as opposed to legal evidence, except for fanatical anti-Trump people, this article does come off as a confession of an illegal conspiracy. Where that goes, nobody knows, but I bet the ripples go far and wide and I also bet the people behind it will not be pleased.

Michael

[Mark]

"How DJT Lost the White House" by Patrick Byrne

(At this point I’ve read chapters 3 and 4 – fascinating, and more to come.)

Ch. 1: All the President’s Teams (Nov. 3 – Dec. 17)
27 January 2021

Ch. 2: Was There Foreign Interference in this Election?
31 January 2021

Ch. 3: Crashing the White House (Dec. 18 – Dec. 22)
1 February 2021

Ch. 4: The Christmas Doldrums (Dec. 23 – noon Jan. 6)
4 February 2021

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

23 hours ago, Mark said:

"How DJT Lost the White House" by Patrick Byrne

(At this point I’ve read chapters 3 and 4 – fascinating, and more to come.)

Ch. 1: All the President’s Teams (Nov. 3 – Dec. 17)
27 January 2021

Ch. 2: Was There Foreign Interference in this Election?
31 January 2021

Ch. 3: Crashing the White House (Dec. 18 – Dec. 22)
1 February 2021

Ch. 4: The Christmas Doldrums (Dec. 23 – noon Jan. 6)
4 February 2021

Mark,

I have this earmarked to include in my thread on election fraud (in the "context" post).

Patrick Byrne rocks. I read the first chapter when it came out, but I think I've been waiting to read the others before posting this project on OL. At that point, I wanted to read and post the new chapters as they come out, but time is a bitch these days.

Regardless of my plans, I'm glad you posted this. I hope you stay with it and keep posting new installments until Patrick is done irrespective of what I do in the other thread. His story (which is going to be a book in the end) should be told far and wide.

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

On 2/7/2021 at 9:21 PM, Mark said:

"How DJT Lost the White House" by Patrick Byrne

(At this point I’ve read chapters 3 and 4 – fascinating, and more to come.)

Ch. 1: All the President’s Teams (Nov. 3 – Dec. 17)
27 January 2021

Ch. 2: Was There Foreign Interference in this Election?
31 January 2021

Ch. 3: Crashing the White House (Dec. 18 – Dec. 22)
1 February 2021

Ch. 4: The Christmas Doldrums (Dec. 23 – noon Jan. 6)
4 February 2021

I started reading at Chapter 3.  I'm partway through that Chapter, and I pause to ask:

Why was Cipollone hired to begin with and why hadn’t he been fired well before this point?

 

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President Trump looked directly at me and said gently, “You know Pat, all my life I’ve had the best lawyers. People call me from all over the world, ‘What lawyer should I use on this? What lawyer should I use on that?’ But here…. You know, the other side breaks every rule in the book, but me….? All I have are lawyers who tell me ‘You can’t do this, you can’t do that…’ Do you see what I have been working with for four years? Can you imagine what I could have gotten done……” He broke off, then turned to Cipollone, asked “Where’s my Durham report? Where’s ….” and started rattling off his legal disappointments.

Standing there next to his two colleagues, Cipollone started shouting back at Flynn, still on his feet, and at the President. Still shouting, he stepped rudely towards us, standing over (and inappropriately close to) Alyssa from behind. Before I knew it I was on my feet, shoulder-to-shoulder with Flynn, back mostly to the President, with a mental trigger that if Cipollone moved another inch towards Flynn, Alyssa, or me I was going to bury my knuckles in his throat.

President Trump said, “Hey hey hey!” We all turned. With both hands waiving at us to calm down, and a quarter-smile of disbelief on his face, he said, “Heeey calm down….”  Cipollone turned to storm out the door again, his two butt-boys in tow. Before he was out Sidney said, “Let him leave. I’ll take the job and you’ll win.” Trump said after him, “Go ahead Pat. Leave. Don’t come back as far as I am concerned.” As the door shut, Trump said softly, “Ahhh, I don’t mean that. You know, Pat’s a friend, and…” his voice trailed off. I winced at the dawning of my understanding.

Ellen

[Ellen Stuttle]

I've read through to the end of Byrne's narrative, Chapter 6.

I think that Byrne is right in his concluding "Strong Hypothesis."

Anyone reading this post, please, at least read Chapter 6: The Aftermath.

Ellen

[Brant Gaede]

13 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

I've read through to the end of Byrne's narrative, Chapter 6.

I think that Byrne is right in his concluding "Strong Hypothesis."

Anyone reading this post, please, at least read Chapter 6: The Aftermath.

Ellen

I read chapter 6 and 1 so far. I'm going to be sick.

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

A quick comment. I agree with Byrne on many of his observations, but I disagree with many of his conclusions.

He leaves out a lot. He speaks only from his own perspective, which is limited. (I have watched many of his videos in addition to looking at this narrative, so I am familiar enough with his thinking about Trump and the election to say that.)

Had he been around during the American Revolution, he would have analyzed the Brits well, and in some aspects, better than anyone. But he also would have written about the hopelessness of defeating them.

 

I most definitely disagree with him about Rudy. I can't think of a single lawyer who could have overcome the extent of the betrayal by the FBI, the CIA and the swamp in general. To blame Rudy's age and implied waning skills for not beating them, and even blaming it all on President Trump's loyalty, leaves out way too much.

Byrne's frame, reflected in the title and the narrative, that President Trump lost the White House, is wrong. Trump won the White House fair and square and it was taken from him by domestic and foreign enemies at war with him who corrupted the election process.

If Trump has any fundamental blame for the loss, it is due to not believing human beings could be as evil as they were.

In my opinion, Trump learned that lesson the hard way just like he learned about casinos. And he will be back. And he will kick the living shit out of them.

Which means I also disagree with Byrne that Trump stopped wanting to be president and only wants to play golf now. That's bullshit. It's like the people who said Trump was finished after the bankruptcies.

I could go on and on. But Byrne is wicked smart. His narrative is great for seeing what unfolded from an insider's view and for naming the nature of the enemy, especially the psyop part and China's involvement. And he's a damn good writer, so I understand the depressing impact (I felt it, too, even just skimming Chapter 6). 

But there are a whole lot of people out here in America he simply dismisses or ignores. They are not going away and they are not deluded. They are the kind of folks who beat the Brits against all odds.

I'll write more about Byrne's narrative after I read it all and read it more carefully.

I just want to say for now, there is no reason to feel sick or depressed or the situation is hopeless. That is more due to Byrne's writing skill than it is reality. 

The part Byrne left out is that life is good and so is America, which has survived a lot worse than what is going on right now. The country where Ayn Rand and freedom-loving people like her were fostered still exists.

We lost a battle, not a war. As President Trump said, the best is yet to come.

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Although the following is only sports, this spirit is what I'm talking about with Byrne. 

I see a similarity between Byrne and Cuban. They look at life from inside a cage with golden bars, offer a great product, are wicked smart, but have no clue about normal American people in any area outside their specialties.

Here is where normal American people are going right now. And do not think this only applies to Christians. It applies to a broad spectrum of people with freedom-loving values from an America First perspective. And it is growing.

 In other words, to paraphrase it in the negative:

Don't marry a Swamp Creature. 
Don't raise Swamp children. 
Don't send them to Swamp schools. 
Don't run a Swamp business. 
Don't hire Swamp employees. 
Don't cultivate Swamp friends. 
Don't support Swamp churches or entertainment.

You can replace Swamp with "elitist" or "social justice warrior" or "modern leftist" or "entitled asshole" or any term that conveys this spirit. From what I see, this is the backlash, it's surging like a tidal wave, and it's going to get brutal.

My fear is that it's going to go too far in the other direction and a dictatorial strong man will emerge, or maybe even a civil war of some sort. And don't forget, there are a lot more normal American people than there are today's authoritarians.

But this spirit of getting away from the cheating-ass control freaks and fruitcakes is what normal American people are feeling right now, not the propaganda view nor the view from the bubble at the top.

They will not tolerate the stolen election without serious repercussions against the bad guys. They want no part of the contrary.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

But this is why I still love Patrick Byrne. He does this kind of stuff.

Here is a copy of the image that will not go if Twitter takes his tweet down.

This is a graphic that needs to be looked at for a long time, not just scanned.

Michael

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

It ain't gonna go away...

And I say good.

The Biden junta needs to be thrown out and a proper election process patched back together.

I love it that President Trump is keeping the flame alive.

And, I hope this SCOTUS gets tarred and feathered by history the same way Chamberlain did with "Peace in our time," but without the drama of a world war. 

Michael

[caroljane]

4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

It ain't gonna go away...

And I say good.

The Biden junta needs to be thrown out and a proper election process patched back together.

I love it that President Trump is keeping the flame alive.

And, I hope this SCOTUS gets tarred and feathered by history the same way Chamberlain did with "Peace in our time," but without the drama of a world war. 

Michael

Now Michael, don't be greedy. Tarring and feathering an appeaser without a world war to justify it? Didn't Mama teach you you can't eat your revenge cake, hot or cold, and have it too?

[Brant Gaede]

40 minutes ago, caroljane said:

Now Michael, don't be greedy. Tarring and feathering an appeaser without a world war to justify it? Didn't Mama teach you you can't eat your revenge cake, hot or cold, and have it too?

To think there isn't a world war going on is completely naive.

--Brant

partially for Michael

[caroljane]

There are plenty of wars going on in the world, civil and uncivil alike. But since the only alternative to naïveté about it seems to be paranoia, I'll stay naive. I just don't have the energy to feel .threatened and outraged all the time.

[Brant Gaede]

1 hour ago, caroljane said:

There are plenty of wars going on in the world, civil and uncivil alike. But since the only alternative to naïveté about it seems to be paranoia, I'll stay naive. I just don't have the energy to feel .threatened and outraged all the time.

Things are different in Canada. I suspect Canucks are more accepting of current events while Americans are starting to tear the United States apart.

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here it comes.

Read about it here:

Arizona GOP to perform 'full hand count' on 2.1 million Maricopa ballots in presidential election

Let's see if the Biden junta will find a way to keep this from happening or to corrupt it with cheating if it does, but at this stage, I don't think they will.

And once the audit is complete, shit, meet fan...

 

Michael

[caroljane]

9 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

Things are different in Canada. I suspect Canucks are more accepting of current events while Americans are starting to tear the United States apart.

--Brant

Yes, I thInk  you are right. We have lots of Trump fans and a strong tradition of conservatism, especially in the West, but not proportionally enough to form a powerful base such as your Republicans have. And our history and institutions tend us  towards compromise rather than confrontation. Our founding in1763 started with a compromise, guaranteeing the conquered French freedom of religion and language, and though that causes problems to this day, including separatist movements both in Quebec and western hand eastern regions, the compromise still holds.

Your magnificently unique republic started with only one compromise, that with slavery, which th FFs. Had to make to a,achieve victory over the British.Sadly it has caused one civil war already,, and from the outside, Jan. 6 looked like a feeble attempt to start another.

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

22 minutes ago, caroljane said:

... and from the outside, Jan. 6 looked like a feeble attempt to start another.

Carol,

But BLM and Antifa setting fire to courthouses and police stations doesn't look like such feeble attempt, right?

Blank-out.

Oh, how I wish I could only see half the evil in the world when faced with it...

Michael

[caroljane]

Pax!  Setting fire to courthouses and police stations can be equally construed as trying to start a civil war as invading the Capitol and killing a police officer , just on different levels of escalating violence ,OK? 

The other side always has equally bad actors, all of us being people, individuals.  If I can acknowledge that, can't you?  

You ask why I don't mention heinous leftists alongside criticizing rightist actions.  Well, I don't try to defend the indefensible or even more heinously to protect them as those with power may do.

 I do know of course that you ask the above rhetorically too, to reiterate your message more effectively. As is your right and good communications strategy.

And before you retort, don't I do the same thing, ..sure I do.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, caroljane said:

If I can acknowledge that, can't you?  

Carol,

When do you acknowledge that without first being called out?

That's the thing.

You never acknowledge that without being called out. If nobody calls you out, the evil of your tribe is as if it never existed. 

1 hour ago, caroljane said:

... invading the Capitol and killing a police officer... 

Are you aware that the police officer was not killed, but most likely died from a stroke? Oh, the FBI is filing charges against a few Proud Boys, but only two are charged with assaulting an officer--with chemical spray at that. (Wanna bet it's pepper spray?) Not bludgeoning. Not killing. 

And the FBI won't release the cause of death of the officer. Judicial Watch is suing for the autopsy report. Meanwhile, even after admitting they were wrong, many fake news outlets still say the officer was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.

Also, are you aware that the instigators of the Capitol "invasion" were mostly Antifa and BLM, they were in place even as President Trump was giving his speech a long ways off, and that many local police removed the barriers and openly invited the Trump supporters into the capitol when they arrived?

Are you also aware that the FBI told Congress that no shots were fired except for the cop who killed the lady, the Trump supporter? And no guns were confiscated?

How is that Trump supporters trying to create a civil war? Even a feeble one?

I bet you never heard about any of that, have you? Or if you have, I bet you dismissed it from your mind as unimportant the moment you were exposed to it.

I can give you video, official sources and everything on all this. But I weary of fake news media talking points. 

 

And how about this guy? If I remember correctly, he got a similar "sanction of silence" from you at the time. How about now, now that I am calling you out on it?

How a Portland radical murdered a Trump supporter — and became a hero for Antifa

The murder is on video, it was intentional, the victim was chosen at random, the victim was peaceful, and the murder was in cold blood. It was done by gun, too.

Unless called out, this is just something we don't talk about. Right?

 

Back to the Capitol incident. Granted, there were some bad actors among the Trump supporters, but they were few and far between. Most of the Trump supporters there were like tourists and they were set up for photo ops by the fake news media. I mean, for God's sake, how many Trump supporters do you know who wear buffalo horns and Indian war paint?

So I can't take anything you say about that incident seriously, including all the insinuations that go with it, because of your total silence about the bad people on your side during it.

Fake news media talking points. That's all you've got unless called out. And, man, does the fake news media ignore evil on your side. Just like you do.

I imagine you think you're better than that, but those thoughts of your own objectivity and goodness never make it into your posts and comments. Not unless called out.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

20 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The Biden junta needs to be thrown out and a proper election process patched back together.

I love it that President Trump is keeping the flame alive.

There's more.

Trump returning to social media with 'his own platform' in 2-3 months: adviser
Jason Miller tells Fox News' '#MediaBuzz' the platform will 'completely redefine the game'

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Former President Donald Trump will be back on social media in the near future with his own service, according to one of his senior advisers.

Jason Miller, who was a spokesperson for Trump's 2020 campaign, told Fox News' "#MediaBuzz" on Sunday that Trump will be reentering the social media space in two to three months with a new platform of his own that will "completely redefine the game."

Miller said he expects Trump's new venture to have tens of millions of users.

Wanna bet a lot of people and institutions and even Internet companies are going to network with this new platform?

If there is one thing President Trump knows how to do, it's build an audience. This sucker will go mainstream in no time.

Then we'll see how censorship works and how prohibiting people from presenting proof of the Biden junta's election fraud on mainstream social media works out for the censors.

Michael

[william.scherk]

From FOX10 Phoenix, Maricopa County releases forensic audit of elections equipment; no irregularities found

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Maricopa County Elections Equipment Audit

https://www.maricopa.gov/5681/Elections-Equipment-Audit

SLI Compliance Audit Report - https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/Maricopa-County-DVS-DS-55B-Forensic-Audit-Report-10

Pro V&V Audit Report - https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

See also AUDITING ELECTIONS EQUIPMENT IN MARICOPA COUNTY

--for the upcoming forensic audit, the Arizona GOP has not yet announced which forensic auditing firm will be hired to do the job. Russell Ramsland's outfit is out of the running.

Edited March 21, 2021 by william.scherk
Added paragraph re Ramsland

[caroljane]

There are many evils in my tribe.

I didn't notice being called out by you any more than usual, but I willlingly acknowledge the above and will try to keep doing so, with examples of evils similar to those of other tribes where appropriate , to save you the trouble of researching them yourself.

"probably died of a stroke" does  not exclude the possibility of having been killed by the effects of an attack, even if he had a preexisting condition and was just a stroke waiting to happen. Mr Wood as a top personal injury lawyer could probably get millions for Mrs Sicknick by arguing that, is my guess.

[tmj]

It certainly seems like he didn't die from having been beaten with a fire extinguisher, as is still being reported.

Ashli Babbit is still being reported as having died as a result of a gunshot, though by whom we are not privy.

[caroljane]

To continue, I was silent on the Portland case because I never heard of it. I'll look it up.

 

 I have heard the assertions that the Jan 6 crimes were all  instigated , if not actually committed by Antifa  etc. But until more proof is brought forward they remain assertions. More assertions don't constitute more proof to my way of thinking.

Quebec insurrectionists kidnapped and executed two people and left them in trunks of cars half a century ago. The prime minister imposed martial law. The FLQ cause did not prevail and Quebec is still a province of Canada.