Conspiracy theories and Conspiracy theorists

[Marc]

6 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

 

Now, do the White House redefining "vaccine", "recession", "mother" (as "birthing person"), and "peaceful protest", the lies of Dr.'s Birx and Fauci, and its ongoing censorship of dissenting views through its ties with social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Wikipedia...oh, and the government's advocacy of putting children on hormone blockers and drag queens twerking in schools while libeling parents at schoolboard meetings who criticize such  as "bigots" and "domestic terrorists". Don't defend them. No O'ist should defend them. Perhaps they should all be "beheaded", too, as you suggested of Jones? I know that's what Antifa and its kind want...

NO!!!!!!!

Only Peter and Soros and Biden decide who gets beheaded!!!!

Peter will do a quick internet search and decide who gets beheaded.

Trump lost.

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Peter,

You gotta admit, that one was funny.

 

I know Marc well. This is banter, not hostility... Poke in the ribs stuff...

(Marc has told me several times, he likes you. God knows why.  )

And, to repeat, very funny banter...

LOL...

 

Michael

[Peter]

35 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

And, to repeat, very funny banter...

Alex Jones is an evil person. People who repeat his lies are rationally dysfunctional. The Moon Landing did occur. 911 did occur. The Sandy Hook massacre did occur. No problemo kimo sabe. Jones deserves scorn. People who defend him because he supported Trump in 2020 are out of their rational zone. Seriously. Look up Alex Jones. Read what lies he has constantly told and tell me that is not a psychopath . . . IF he thinks he is telling the truth. Or is he simply a grifter, or a combination of grifter and psychopath?    

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

52 minutes ago, Peter said:

Alex Jones is an evil person.

Peter,

No he isn't.

George Soros is an evil person. Joe Biden is an evil person. All those who traffic in death and destruction of innocents for money are evil. The people who promote endless war for profit are evil.

Alex never did any of that and never will.

He talks.

You don't have to like his talk. Just don't listen to him.

But for the evil people, how to you remedy the young Americans who died so these evil people can get money? Seriously. How do you bring the dead back?

You can't.

You can stop listening to Alex Jones. Any time you wish. But you cannot bring the dead back. Ever.

Which is worse?

 

52 minutes ago, Peter said:

People who defend him because he supported Trump in 2020 are out of their rational zone.

I'm only going to deal with this because, in this context, this is aimed at me. Maybe it's aimed at others too, but I am included since I defend Alex Jones. 

Want a reality check? Something rational to hang your hat on? I was watching and defending Alex Jones waaaaaaaaaaay before Trump came on the scene.

Just take a look here on OL. There are plenty of Alex Jones videos before 2015. I didn't look them up, but I can almost guarantee that you yourself participated in some of the discussions.

So how could Alex's defense of Trump be my motivation?

Time travel?

 

 

Look what you are doing. You tell me what I think and tell it in scornful terms.

And, since I belong to the group you criticize, you claim I am not rational, etc., etc., etc.

Talk about rational. You can't say things about me like that and claim to be rational because you are not in my head, my entire history refutes what you said, and OL is full of proof to the contrary, proof where you yourself participated.

Yet you state your contraction, you opinion of my life and thinking, as fact, lather on scorn for those who disagree, then condemn Alex--wanting to behead him at that--for doing precisely what you just did.

Don't you see it? 

When you do that...

You are just like Alex Jones.

 

Michael

[Peter]

3 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

You are just like Alex Jones.

Mumble, mumble. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but every second and thought . . .  you transmit about Alex Jones is a point for 'the other side." AKA, the bad guys.   

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Peter,

There you go again telling me what I think.

You didn't hurt my feelings. Why do you think you did?

Because of my set-up to saying you are like Alex Jones?

Come on...

That's a great line.

It needed a proper set-up.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Peter,

And please keep that big-ass dude with the beheading sword away from me.

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I can't resist this.

Alex Jones Mic Drop

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Michael

[Marc]

8 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Peter,

You gotta admit, that one was funny.

 

I know Marc well. This is banter, not hostility... Poke in the ribs stuff...

(Marc has told me several times, he likes you. God knows why.  )

And, to repeat, very funny banter...

LOL...

 

Michael

Peter is on my top three favs on this board with MSK being the other one and the other being someone else.

Peter is not afraid to state his point regardless and I love that.

Plus he loves Chinese food!

[Ellen Stuttle]

2 hours ago, Marc said:

Peter is not afraid to state his point regardless and I love that.

Peter is not afraid of resolutely keeping his head stuck in the sand and refusing to look at anything which challenges his presumptions.  And I despise that.

Ellen

[Marc]

38 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Peter is not afraid of resolutely keeping his head stuck in the sand and refusing to look at anything which challenges his presumptions.  And I despise that.

Ellen

Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Some leave the cave, some stay in the cave, some decide at different times what to do about living in the cave.

I was once deep inside the cave then I left.

To each his own.

 

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

By the establishment persecuting Alex Jones for his freedom of speech, they are turning him into a martyr. Here is just an inking of what it to come--even by people who disagree with him:

WOW: Rep. MTG Takes Brave Stand in Defense of Alex Jones at CPAC Texas

WOW: Rep. MTG Takes Brave Stand in Defense of Alex Jones at CPAC Texas

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Georgia GOP Rep. Margorie Taylor Greene didn’t hold back on the topic of political persecution and censorship when she took the stage […] More

 

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Georgia GOP Rep. Margorie Taylor Greene didn’t hold back on the topic of political persecution and censorship when she took the stage at the CPAC Texas event, highlighting the case of InfoWars founder and host Alex Jones as an example of how the left is using the courts to persecute its political enemies.

. . .

Rep. Greene took up Jones’ banner during her speech, highlighting his case as an example of lawfare and the left using its allies in the courts to strike out at political enemies. In her words:

“Alex Jones, who did say some things, is being politically persecuted right now and is forced to pay out millions and millions of dollars.

“No one agrees with what he said, but what we are tired of is the political persecution. I’d like to know when the Democrats and the liars in the media and the people who canceled all of you and me on Big Tech, when are they gonna pay us millions of dollars?”

. . .

Jones wasn’t the only controversial topic that Rep. Greene focused on. She also drew attention to those locked up for their role in January 6th, saying that they were political prisoners and calling on GOP politicians to start taking action to help them. In her words:

“If they can have a fake Jan. 6 committee that is persecuting President Trump’s administration and staff, and a judicial system and an FBI that has led to persecution of American citizens that did go in the Capitol on Jan. 6, but they’re being held in jail still to this day, they need to be held accountable. 

 

Here's a video of her saying some of this. It's on YouTube, so God knows if it will stay up.

 

Alex's judgment is going to become a banner of activism. He's not going to be harmed by this judicial decision except for his own legal costs and some fiddling around with Chapter 11 bankruptcy technicalities, but he is the wrong person to make a martyr out of.

He is loud. He is often. He is popular. And he does not go away.

And now he is a cause to be defended by freedom lovers, especially when discussing First Amendment rights.

I think the people who are behind the persecution of Alex are going to be surprised at the force of the boomerang headed right at their noggins. 

Especially when they start getting prison sentences for abuse of power. Or maybe a countersuit by Alex for millions in damages that he will win.

In the courts, the legal arguments will stick to the individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution and things like that, but in the court of public appeal, the people defending Alex's freedom will spit in the faces of his persecutors with: If you can do it, so can we. You dished it out, now take it.

One of the reasons we are a nation of laws is to ensure equal treatment under the law for everybody. 

 

For those who want an Objectivish take on this, here is Ayn Rand in Philosophy: Who Needs It. She is discussing hard core pornography and included, as she said, the right to hold any view and to express it. She is talking about freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

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... the issue here is not one’s view of sex. The issue is freedom of speech and of the press—i.e., the right to hold any view and to express it.

It is not very inspiring to fight for the freedom of the purveyors of pornography or their customers. But in the transition to statism, every infringement of human rights has begun with the suppression of a given right’s least attractive practitioners. In this case, the disgusting nature of the offenders makes it a good test of one’s loyalty to a principle.

For those who dislike Alex Jones, those words easily apply to him. His current case is a "good test" of their "loyalty to a principle."

Is there any doubt that cancel culture is all about turning the USA into a statist authoritarian government?

Michael

[Marc]

Just now, Marc said:

Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Some leave the cave, some stay in the cave, some decide at different times what to do about living in the cave.

I was once deep inside the cave then I left.

To each his own.

 

 

I mean at one time I supported Marco Rubio, before I fell in love witj my President, President Trump.

[ThatGuy]

21 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

For those who want an Objectivish take on this, here is Ayn Rand in Philosophy: Who Needs It. She is discussing hard core pornography and included, as she said, the right to hold any view and to express it. She is talking about freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

For those who dislike Alex Jones, those words easily apply to him. His current case is a "good test" of their "loyalty to a principle."

Is there any doubt that cancel culture is all about turning the USA into a statist authoritarian government?

Michael

Thanks for sharing that. I had the same thought in mind, except it was a similar idea expressed in the film THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY FLYNT : “If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you.”

 

 

[ThatGuy]

24 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

For those who want an Objectivish take on this, here is Ayn Rand in Philosophy: Who Needs It. She is discussing hard core pornography and included, as she said, the right to hold any view and to express it. She is talking about freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

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... the issue here is not one’s view of sex. The issue is freedom of speech and of the press—i.e., the right to hold any view and to express it.

 

For those who dislike Alex Jones, those words easily apply to him. His current case is a "good test" of their "loyalty to a principle."

Is there any doubt that cancel culture is all about turning the USA into a statist authoritarian government?

Michael

Here's another relevant Rand quote on the topic:

"There can be no such thing as a political crime under the American system of law. Since an individual has the right to hold and to propagate any ideas he chooses (obviously including political ideas), the government may not infringe his right; it may neither penalize nor reward him for his ideas; it may not take any judicial cognizance whatever of his ideology.

"By the same principle, the government may not give special leniency to the perpetrator of a crime, on the grounds of the nature of his ideas."

http://cultureofreason.org/style/img/returnoftheprimitive.gif

“‘Political’ Crimes,”
Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, 176

[tmj]

Well cmon man, you can't just go straight to imprisoning your political opponents for wrong think, first you introduce the idea of 'hate crimes' , let that percolate for awhile get everyone used to tacking on harsher sentencing for 'hate' , then you have a foundation to build on. This foundation then can be separated from the irrationality of accepting criminal liable thought and give it a more palatable veneer via long held concepts in jurisprudence like starie decisis and the development of common law practices.

A little more tweaking and time , which given the advent of light speed brainwashing by the interwebs comes in shorter intervals and viola we can finally be in a society where it is considered illegal or even more upsettingly hateful to not get that penisectomy the precinct warden decided you need.

"Off with his head !!"

 

ps sorry,

".. her head!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-zItRFUywI

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

32 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

... a similar idea expressed in the film THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY FLYNT...

TG,

I haven't seen that movie. But after your first clip, man does it look interesting. I saw the second clip, also, but that first clip nailed the essence of the right to free speech, or better, what that essence is not.

As Edward Norton, brilliantly portraying attorney Alan Isaacman in front of the Supreme Court, said, emotional distress is not and cannot be a standard for judging this right.

But that is the standard by which Alex Jones was condemned in court.

Emotional distress.

Since when did that become a Constitutional standard?

Woke bullshit is more accurate.

Look how far we have fallen since the late 90's when that movie came out. Don't forget, that particular movie was pop culture, and produced to be pop culture, not legal review or philosophy.

Pop culture used to be about freedom and the essence of individual rights...

Now emotional distress supplants freedom and individual rights as the legal standard in our courts.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Man, this video is incredible.

This is Alex Jones's response to the $45 million verdict. Except it's not just Alex ranting. It's Alex with attorney, Robert Barnes. And Barnes is saying that he has never seen a trial conducted in such a way as to be a kangaroo court and also staged to become a movie later. 

EXCLUSIVE! Alex Jones Responds To $45M Sandy Hook Verdict And The Future Of Infowars

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I'm watching it now. I've only seen 5 minutes so far, but so far I am blown away by the bill of particulars that Barnes laid out concerning the laws that were broken by this judge and prosecution.

I thought the appeal was going to be a slam dunk win for Alex, but I didn't imagine it was going to be this easy.

Holy shit.

More when I see the rest.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I just finished watching the video and all I can say is holy shit again.

Barnes came right out and said the Texas Supreme Court is going to throw this case out. He just came right out and said it.

But he also shilled for Alex hard. He said as long as Alex's audience supports him, there is no way to take Alex off the air. He spoke with genuine admiration for both Alex and Alex's massive audience.

But wait, there's more.

Alex showed clips of the prosecutor openly saying that their main purpose was to take Alex's platform away and make sure he can never rebuild it. The judge openly told Alex he is prohibited from saying he was innocent and things like that because that was untrue. When Alex told her he believes it is true, she basically told him he had no right to judge what is true. That was her call. She decides what is true or not. They also got the prosecutor talking outside of the trial saying how he and others were going to slice up Alex and divvy him up and do that to anyone who has the temerity to do what Alex has done by spreading his message in public.

You have to see it to believe these people are that stupid. But they are. They said those things. In and out of trial.

Alex asked Barnes how the judge could have been so mistaken in her handling of this case and he said if you want to see what a woke social justice warrior who becomes a judge looks like, look at her. She doesn't have a clue about what the law is or what her duties are. He also went scorched earth on the prosecution lawyer.

I have never seen Barnes or any other lawyer of his stature do this kind of open derision of professional colleagues.

It's a wonder to behold.

 

The main point is that Alex Jones only got stronger with this trial. He is not going to go off the air. There is no legal way they can take him off the air. All he needs is for his audience to buy enough of his nutraceuticals products to keep the lights on since his own declared property will be tied up with this case for awhile.

And that can get quite cheap because, at root, he is Infowars. And at worst, all he needs is a smartphone and he will still keep his audience. Hell, it would get bigger. The mainstream media and social media no longer controls his audience. 

What's more, the entire court case will be overturned if not thrown out on appeal. Easy-peasy.

 

But on the public relations side, when I said they made a stupid mistake making a martyr out of Alex Jones, just watch this video to see a tiny glimpse of what is coming. Alex is already in full feather. He even started one of his rants in front of Barnes and Barnes cracked up. 

But this video is only a glimpse of the storm. To give a notion of the full fury of the upcoming storm, think of this. The video above--with only a tiny glimpse--is making me go holy shit. And I hardly ever do that. I'm gobsmacked.

That cracking sound you hear is the dam getting ready to bust wide open all over the Deep State and the predator class.

 

Michael

[william.scherk]

On 8/6/2022 at 1:15 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

[Tedros] gives some bullshit excuse about being in solidarity with his countrymen in Ethiopia, but the truth is, he refused to take the vax. He's on video openly saying it. Got to 21:03 and you will see it.

 

Yes, but when? When did Tedros give this "bullshit excuse"? What is the timeline of his remarks in today's claims?

  

Okay, now what?  Revise initial findings, apply Ockam's razor if necessary to judge competing claims or to sort out a purported 'scoop' or its purported 'debunking.'

Is Crow House a reliable reporter or commentator?  How would we know if we don't try to verify his claims?

On 8/7/2022 at 12:45 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The gist is Tedros refuses to get vaccinated. Not even the first jab. He's on video saying it.

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

31 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

Is Crow House a reliable reporter or commentator?

William,

He's more reliable than the sources you normally use.

btw - I don't recall him giving a time about Tedros.

Gotcha!

(I knew you would take the bait. With sanctimony, too. You can't help it.  )

Michael

[tmj]

Now do the three Ethopian cholera outbreaks, while Tedros was the head guy getting 1.9 B $ in funding  ( that's mid oughts billions), let's see the razor slice through the acute watery diarrhea, apparently the acute watery-ness  made it hard to see what was going on. Talk about failing up !

[tmj]

On 8/7/2022 at 1:06 PM, tmj said:

Well cmon man, you can't just go straight to imprisoning your political opponents for wrong think, first you introduce the idea of 'hate crimes' , let that percolate for awhile get everyone used to tacking on harsher sentencing for 'hate' , then you have a foundation to build on. This foundation then can be separated from the irrationality of accepting criminal liable thought and give it a more palatable veneer via long held concepts in jurisprudence like starie decisis and the development of common law practices.

A little more tweaking and time , which given the advent of light speed brainwashing by the interwebs comes in shorter intervals and viola we can finally be in a society where it is considered illegal or even more upsettingly hateful to not get that penisectomy the precinct warden decided you need.

"Off with his head !!"

 

ps sorry,

".. her head!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-zItRFUywI

Look at USAToday

Georgia father, son sentenced to life for hate crimes in Ahmaud Arbery death

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The father and son who are serving life in prison for Ahmaud Arbery's murder were again sentenced to life in prison on federal hate crime...

"Arbery’s killing helped fuel a nationwide racial reckoning over the killings of unarmed Black people, including George Floyd in Minneapolis and Breonna Taylor in Kentucky, two cases that also resulted in federal charges."

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Experts said the federal convictions in Arbery's death are not just symbolic. The additional sentences ensure the defendants will serve prison time even if their murder convictions are overturned on appeal.

Unlike the state murder charges, federal hate crime convictions acknowledge the racist motivations of what many called a modern-day lynching, experts said.

"It was worth it to name this as a white-supremacy-inspired murder and not to whitewash this by deemphasizing the racist motive here," said Justin Hansford, executive director of the Thurgood Marshall Civil Rights Center at Howard University. "It's important as a community that we name what is happening as part and parcel of white supremacy."

See hate is better than illegal.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I'm watching the video below right now, but it looks like Steve gave most, or a good chunk, of this segment of today's War Room to interviewing Alex Jones. At least he pulled three clips from this show using Alex (you can get them on Rumble in the same account as this video), but I'm giving the whole segment below. Alex's part is at the beginning.

Outside of Steve admiring Alex's upcoming book on The Great Reset, Steve is well aware that if they get away with doing this attempted crucifixion of Alex, they will be coming for him in the same manner, and Tucker Carlson, and all other pro-American populist voices until they go after Trump one more time, but from this angle.

The truth is, the Deep State is scared shitless.

 

Episode 2060: Alex Jones: We Are Not Living In A Free Society

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We discuss the economy, CPAC, China, and more. Our Guests Are: Alex Jones, Erik Prince, Stephen Moore Stay ahead of the censors - Join us...

 

So, for those who don't like Alex Jones, why is the cream of MAGA supporting him?

That's easy.

They read poetry.

 

 

For example, they read the following poem by Martin Niemöller:

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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

No matter who says what, that ain't happening to MAGA.

We are killing it in the crib. (And, yes, I identify myself as part of that "we.")

We are dead serious about freedom--in action, not just in words.

Our version of a new poem goes like this:

First they came for Alex Jones, and I stood beside him—then we stood beside him.

They lost.

 

Michael

 

NOTE: I finished the video. The only person after Alex was Erik Prince, and even then, for the last 10 minutes or so only.

But there was something notable about Erik. He commented about Alex's fight in admiring tones. He said good things about Alex. Then, as he discussed China and Taiwan, including a nasty speech by Xi Jinping, and other major events from a military view, he kept referencing Alex as a go-to source for information. He used phrases like, "As your previous guest has been saying," and things like that. I think he and Steve are doing this on purpose.

That means, finally there is a serious reaction to the constant predator class propaganda against Alex. Steve openly calls Alex one of today's most important intellectuals, one who has always been ahead of the curve, and makes recommendations about what to look at for people who think Alex is nothing but a conspiracy kook, etc.

It looks like they are starting a campaign to elevate Alex's standing in the realm of ideas and philosophy. It's right there for anybody to see and I bet this grows. Huge.

[Marc]

Those damn conspiracy theory people.