william.scherk Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, KorbenDallas said: Ru ru Rubio having a rough night again. Too bad, as he wears his dancing shoes everywhere. Drudge headline ... The Incredible Shrinking Campaign - Poor Ricky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Really good night for Trump so far--Michigan and Mississippi. Cruz got Idaho. The voting for Hawaii is just starting. With only 4% tallied, Trump is in the lead in double digits. But who knows? Actually, we all will soon. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 23 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Really good night for Trump so far--Michigan and Mississippi. Cruz got Idaho. The voting for Hawaii is just starting. With only 4% tallied, Trump is in the lead in double digits. But who knows? Actually, we all will soon. Michael 22% in Hawaii which is caucus and Trump has 43 to 27% for Cruz Trump - 628 Cruz - 382 Total votes so far - 1,322 which is 22%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Great night for Trump... Net delegate pick up +15 4 delegates not allocated yet - 1 from Hawaii and 3 from Mississippi States taken by Trump - Michigan Mississippi Hawaii States taken by Cruz Idaho ------------------------------------------------------------------------- New delegate count - Trump - 461 Cruz - 360 Rubio - 154 Kasich - 54 Carson - 8 Bush - 4 ================================ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Interrupting vote counting for a couple software tests. Michael gave me the idea of trying "Source" to see if I can get a nested quote. Answer: Yes. 12 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: 12 hours ago, Jon Letendre said: I can't find a way to start over with a fresh, empty, comment box. Jon, Toggle with the "Source" button to HTML view and delete everything, toggle back, then start over. If all else fails, refresh the page. That deletes post remnants. Michael And to see if I can get rid of unwanted paragraph breaks in a poem. Answer: Yes. On March 5, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Ellen Stuttle said: [....] PS: <sigh> Another software aggravation. I don't find a way to override the automatic paragraph breaks. Reality is a butterfly - A living butterfly that Shifts and changes In the light. You cannot pin it down With one immortal thrust Upon a mounting board Called Truth. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 TRUMP CRUZ RUBIO KASICH MICHIGAN (59) 36.5% 25 25.9% 17 9% 0 24.3 17 MISSISSIPPI (40) 47.3% 24 36.3% 15 5.1% 0 8.8% 0 IDAHO (32) 28.1 12 45.4% 20 16% 0 7.5% 0 HAWAII (19) 42.4% 11 32.7% 7 13.21% 0 10.6% 0 72 59 0 17 GRAND TOTAL 461 360 154 54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Carly just threw her support behind Cruz . . . and her Jackie–O pillbox hat back into the Vice Presidential race. Cruz is the only one who can defeat Trump and the Republican cartel according to Carly. Lindsey Graham is also supporting Cruz. In the latest Florida poll Rubio is STILL trailing Trump by a huge margin. Ed Rollins on Fox is just saying (10:49 am on Wednesday) that it is a two man race for Trump and Cruz. Get out of the race Marco. It’s winner take all from now on. It will be hard for Cruz to pull it off with Rubio and Kasich in the race. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Cruz better be careful of one thing that killed Rubio. The establishment Republicans are thinking hard about formally endorsing him. If they do, that is the kiss of voter death. Also, there are a lot of Cruz supporters who actually like Trump (he's their second choice). But they despise the establishment Republicans. Ted's on a tightrope. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Less than a week to go before Florida. Clinton is beating Bernie by a lot in Florida polling 62 to 32 and in Ohio 52 to 43. Will Bernie need an indictment from the FBI to stop Old Hickory Clinton? Michael wrote: The establishment Republicans are thinking hard about formally endorsing him. If they do, that is the kiss of voter death. end quote I don’t think any current Cruz supporter will mistake him for an establishment candidate. But I see what you mean by his recent endorsements, (guilt by association) and if Rubio drops out and supports him IS there a point where Cruz becomes THE establishment candidate? I don’t think Cruz will become Eggland’s Best. Instead he will always be green eggs and ham. The Teflon Don, Mr. Trump, might be the supposedly least establishment candidate but Cruz is the REAL anti-establishment candidate. In my crystal ball, I see Trump making major gaffs and waffling as President. It will be far worse than the elder Bush saying, “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Trump’s effective Presidency could be measured in weeks. By that I mean he will have a grace period but then Objectivists, conservatives, blue dog democrat crossovers, and the rest of those who voted for him will be yelling, “Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot!” He will then lose support in the house, senate and with the electorate. Peter (CNN) Donald Trump is leading Marco Rubio in the Florida senator's home state by 8 percentage points, a Monmouth University poll out Monday shows. Trump has the support of 38% of Florida's likely GOP primary voters, compared to 30% who back Rubio, 17% for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and 10% for Ohio Gov. John Kasich. The snapshot of Florida comes before the state's crucial 99-delegate, winner-take-all primary set for March 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Trump Rejects Advice to Become More Presidential, Ed Klein | Mar 08, 2016: A fierce debate has broken out among Donald Trump’s family, friends and campaign advisers over how to respond to the Republican establishment’s last-ditch effort to deny him the presidential nomination. Trump’s confidants are split over how to handle the sudden onslaught, with some saying he should become more presidential . . . But according to a high-ranking member of Trump’s inner circle, Trump is ignoring this advice and listening to his own inner Donald . . . . Some of Trump’s advisers have urged him to stop acting like an Alpha dog, drop the narcissistic me-me-me, and start talking about substance and policy . . . . “As for becoming more presidential,” this source continued, “let me quote Donald and you’ll get the gist. He says, and I quote, ‘I don’t want to be a jerk. I have to do what I have to do. If people attack me, I’m going to attack them even harder and they’ll live to regret it.’“ end quote Will it matter if Trump's swagger remains the same? I think that when it is an obvious two man race, or a sure thing contested convention then Trump's juvenile bluster will increase making it more difficult for the Republicans who would vote for any other republican before Trump, to switch their allegiance. His negatives will be higher than Romney's were. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Now I feel bad about my photoshop/Post-It art with piece-of-shit-mitt and Caitlyn. I used her image as a weapon of insult and should not have. All the insult was intended for mitt the piece of shit. I didn't know Caitlyn was an ideas person. And taking loads of hate for it. http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/07/backlash-over-caitlyn-jenners-cruz-support-proves-leftists-are-the-real-bigots/ “Number 1, if we don’t have a country, we don’t have trans issues,” Jenner said. “We need jobs. We need a vibrant economy. I want every trans person to have a job. With $19 trillion in debt and it keeps going up, we’re spending money we don’t have. Eventually, it’s going to end. And I don’t want to see that. Socialism did not build this country. Capitalism did. Free enterprise. The people built it. And they need to be given the opportunity to build it back up.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 26 minutes ago, Peter said: Will it matter if Trump's swagger remains the same? I think that when it is an obvious two man race, or a sure thing contested convention then Trump's juvenile bluster will increase making it more difficult for the Republicans who would vote for any other republican before Trump, to switch their allegiance. His negatives will be higher than Romney's were. Peter, And you base this opinion on... er... what... ... Trump's massive success so far? Have you missed the tidal wave of people telling Trump to be more polite since last June because he can't win that way? Or wait. Maybe Trump should have listened to them starting with, say, Jeb Bush ("You just can't insult your way to the White House" and a cool $140 million to back it up), or Carly Fiorina ("There. Is. No. Excuse.") and a whole lot of others. If Trump had listened to these folks, at least he would know how to win elections, huh? As it stands, maybe we should pity Trump's ignorance about how to win elections. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 On 3/3/2016 at 4:30 PM, anthony said: "Dear Senator Goldwater: Thank you for the autographed copy of The Conscience of a Conservative [...] I regard you as the only hope of the anticollectivist side on today's political scene, and I have defended your position at every opportunity ... [...]But there is no such thing as a "Conservative" philosophy. It is the lack of a philosophy that has brought the American conservatives to helplessness, vacillation and successive defeats. [...]" Letters of Ayn Rand - June 4, 1960 It's still true, isn't it...gads, she was spot-on so long ago, and nothing has changed, except we're circling the drain much more swiftly now. REB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Peter said: In the latest Florida poll Rubio is STILL trailing Trump by a huge margin. Ed Rollins on Fox is just saying (10:49 am on Wednesday) that it is a two man race for Trump and Cruz. Get out of the race Marco. 1 hour ago, Peter said: (CNN) Donald Trump is leading Marco Rubio in the Florida senator's home state by 8 percentage points, a Monmouth University poll out Monday shows. Trump has the support of 38% of Florida's likely GOP primary voters, compared to 30% who back Rubio, 17% for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and 10% for Ohio Gov. John Kasich. The snapshot of Florida comes before the state's crucial 99-delegate, winner-take-all primary set for March 15. Looks like that "huge margin" has tightened up a good bit. "Little Marco" may eke out a victory in his home state, but it's still a big uphill climb. If he flops, this may end his political career. Even if he wins, he's no shoe-in for nomination, just contributing to keeping The Donald from getting a majority of delegates before convention. Kasich has no chance either, even if he wins Ohio (and after seeing his results from Michigan). They're just would-be spoilers at this point. Cruz has the only realistic chance of displacing Trump for a convention-brokered nomination - and that is true only if the power-brokers have plenty of clothes-pins for their noses. REB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Peter said: Michael wrote: The establishment Republicans are thinking hard about formally endorsing him. If they do, that is the kiss of voter death. end quote I don’t think any current Cruz supporter will mistake him for an establishment candidate. But I see what you mean by his recent endorsements, (guilt by association) and if Rubio drops out and supports him IS there a point where Cruz becomes THE establishment candidate? I don’t think Cruz will become Eggland’s Best. Instead he will always be green eggs and ham. Is there any guilt-by-association from the endorsement Carly Fiorino gave him? If not, then here's an idea, just floated by Robert Voldemort (He-Whose-Name-Must-Not-Be-Spoken) over on Facebook: how about if Cruz throws a Hail Mary and announced that if nominated, he will select Carly as his running mate? She has been one of the deadly on-target critics of Hillary (still assuming she will be nominated by the Demagogues), and at the VP debate in the fall, she could just keep on doing what she does best. REB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Peter said: The Teflon Don, Mr. Trump, might be the supposedly least establishment candidate but Cruz is the REAL anti-establishment candidate. In my crystal ball, I see Trump making major gaffs and waffling as President. It will be far worse than the elder Bush saying, “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Trump’s effective Presidency could be measured in weeks. By that I mean he will have a grace period but then Objectivists, conservatives, blue dog democrat crossovers, and the rest of those who voted for him will be yelling, “Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot!” He will then lose support in the house, senate and with the electorate. 1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Maybe Trump should have listened to them starting with, say, Jeb Bush ("You just can't insult your way to the White House" and a cool $140 million to back it up), or Carly Fiorina ("There. Is. No. Excuse.") and a whole lot of others. If Trump had listened to these folks, at least he would know how to win elections, huh? As it stands, maybe we should pity Trump's ignorance about how to win elections. Trump has not demonstrated knowledge of how to win elections - only how to win *some primaries.* If Hillary is the nominee, will Trump really blast her on everything she stands for - or just hold Bill hostage when she threatens to call Trump a "sexist"? We *know* what people like Cruz or Fiorino or Rubio would say, if they were the ones running against Hillary. We know about as much about Trump's fall agenda as we do about his policies in general. Which leads back to Peter's point: Trump makes Bush senior look like the epitome of intransigent principle. Bush deserved not to be re-elected. For the same reason, Trump deserves not to be elected. Gads, after Nancy Pelosi's insanely insulting remark about the Obamacare legislation, I can't believe all the people who are willing to take an even bigger pig in a poke with Trump. ("We have to elect him in order to see what he's going to stand for.") REB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Here's a very interesting statistic. Wayne County in Michigan is where the city of Dearborn is. This region has probably the thickest settlement of Muslims in America right now. Here are the GOP primary statistics for Wayne County (from here). Donald Trump - 40.53% - 55,793 votes John Kasich - 27.72% - 38,165 votes Ted Cruz - 18.27% - 25,155 votes Marco Rubio - 8.41% - 11,578 votes Uncommitted - 1.85% - 2,549 votes In other words, Trump holds close to 13% lead over all others in the Muslim preference for GOP candidate, at least in Wayne County, Michigan. How's that for a mainstream narrative-buster? There are many reason this could be, but I believe the main reason the narrative is so off, even among people of goodwill in the media (almost an oxymoron ) is that you can shut people up in public, but that does not mean you convince them in private, especially in the privacy of the voting booth. This is what freedom looks like, whether Muslim elites, leftist elites, rightwing neocon elites or elites of all stripes like it or not. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Folks, Michael excluded, just do not get Trump. As Newt pointed out, Trump is somewhat new in terms of the political chamber of public communication. As Newt aptly pointed out, the off the cuff, stream of consciousness answers to complex issues can create problems. However, he is of the understanding that Trump will get it quickly, or, he will take hits. I also think that Newt is advising Trump. Last nights monopolization of over an hour of the media watching with proverbial mouths agape at what they are trying to call Trump's "infomercial," which totally missed what was happening right before their media eyes in full blinders mode. For example, his Paul O'Neill section was so perfect that I had to just clap. He linked Paul, a mid west icon and championship Yankee outfielder grew up in Ohio and endorsed Trump and "just happened" to be in the audience. Trump linked how he did in Michigan with how he was going to do in Ohio and, he added, now that I have Paul O'Neill's endorsement, I know I am going to win Ohio. A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Peter said: In my crystal ball, I see Trump making major gaffs and waffling as President. It will be far worse than the elder Bush saying, “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, Roger Bissell said: ... how about if Cruz throws a Hail Mary and announced that if nominated, he will select Carly as his running mate... Roger, Anything is possible, but I don't see this as influencing much. It's hard to inspire lots of votes as a spoiler unless the person or thing being spoiled is a real nasty oppressive son-of-a- bitch. Trump is only a son-of-bitch. Even more, he's a son-of-a-bitch to the right people, the establishment Republicans (who most Trump voters and oodles and gobs and more oodles of independents see as the true nasty oppressive sons-of-bitches and corrupt to the gills). My perception of Carly's endorsement of Cruz is that (1) she has a personal hatred of Trump, and cultivates the desire for a vendetta against him probably from her corporate scrapping background, and (2) this is a way for her to stay politically relevant for awhile in this election. But I also don't forget that the establishment Republican machine propped her up once before to do a hit job on Trump, then spit her out like a sunflower seed shell when she couldn't deliver much more than the first shot. (I called that one back then right at the moment she was assigned a License to Kill.) And she fell for it. And she was duly spit out. To me it looks like she is falling for the same damn thing all over. I'm pretty sure my opinions are shared by many Trump supporters. Here's a question for you. Who is Carly going to influence except establishment Republicans and sundry people who hate Trump? That is the same as singing to the choir. So where do the new votes come from? This means I don't see a Hail Mary, Hail Carly, or Hail anything pass, even if she runs as Cruz's VP. She's the kind of snob who has looked down on Cruz supporters all her life. And she's seen the heartless ruthless boss to them, the boss who sold her soul to the corporation. (I'm talking on an emotional level.) So the persona breach is too wide to be effective at persuading the public (in my opinion). The branding is inherently all screwed up with that match--a big honking cognitive dissonance that, should it happen, nobody will talk about, but everyone will feel. It would be not as bad, but of the same nature, as Donald Trump inviting Jeb Bush to be his VP. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Roger Bissell said: Oh, but it's OK - he's a "common-sense" conservative. Yup. REB Man, you folks should get your grapes from a sweeter vineyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Roger Bissell said: Oh, but it's OK - he's a "common-sense" conservative. Yup. Roger, It's OK to cry. Seriously, Trump is a producer who is surrounded by constitutional conservatives. He'll be fine and so will you and so will everybody. Don't forget that Ayn Rand thought Ronald Reagan would be the worst thing that ever happened to the US. He wasn't. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Does Carly know that the person who needs to be beaten is Evita, not Trump? A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, Selene said: I also think that Newt is advising Trump. Adam, I have suspected this for a long time. Not only do I think Newt is among his political advisors, I think many constitutional conservatives are, too. If I had to designate a source where people could dig to see who these people are, I would say look at Sarah Palin and the folks who stand by her. Check out the Breitbart news organization, Stephen Bannon and the people who surround them, then work out from there. I don't know this 100% because part of the game plan has been to cover these relationships over with a veneer of universal appeal, but I keep seeing them together. I also expect Trump to do something I believe is dear to his heart. I expect him to help rehabilitate Sarah Palin's public persona from the massacre the mainstream media did to it. Why? I honestly think he sees her as a victim of a massive injustice and wants to give her a present no one else can. And why would he want to do that? Because, in his mind, it's the right thing to do. I believe that. Like I have said elsewhere, I believe Donald Trump is one of the most principled men ever to run for the presidency. He doesn't just talk his principles. He lives them. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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