Wolf DeVoon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Wolf:I am not so sure that that would happen if we stated simply in the legislation that any current recipient would continue to receive their benefits.New wetbacks, new Baby Daddy pregnancies, new gangbangers in ER ineligible?Second question: why should current recipients continue to receive benefits?Government spending is headed to 50% of GDP, just like WWII maximum pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 question one, yes, unless all the progressives and Gary would fund a system that would service these folks as a pure charity.As to question two (2), partially as an intelligent response to extortion and as insurance. Additionally, I would have no problem whatsoever of shooting looters.Might even be nice and use whatever technology we have that would just make them go to sleep for a day.There is a second reason to continue that commitment that the government made to folks.However, there would be serious scrutiny of every recipient and unless they were not disabled and homebound they would have to report every week to satellite verifiers which I would outsource.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf DeVoon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I don't know how we recover from martial law (lost production, casualties, Wall Street crash). On the other hand, it's sort of inevitable.Current state, political outlook, growth of entitlements, stagnant household income, workforce participation = slow grind down.Rep. Ryan (R, Wis.) and Sen. King (R, Idaho) on talk radio yesterday: "compassionate"..."best possible education for every child" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I don't know how we recover from martial law (lost production, casualties, Wall Street crash).War. At least it worked once or twice before.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 However, you agree that staying on this path will absolutely crash everything with the same riots and destruction.Let's cull the herd if it has to be done.It will be horrendous.However, the folks that walk through those times will be the folks who can begin again and should avoid the mistakes that inevitably got us here.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 However, you agree that staying on this path will absolutely crash everything with the same riots and destruction.Let's cull the herd if it has to be done.It will be horrendous.However, the folks that walk through those times will be the folks who can begin again and should avoid the mistakes that inevitably got us here.A...Call the guy "Adam."That's all you'll need--and his rib.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 This is the thing, America on its current path is going to be and already is in serious trouble. What happened to the stock market with quantitative easing is a long protracted bloated stagnant bubble. It is going to pop. Regardless of whether the government WANts to continue bleeding America dry to feed welfare recipients it soon will no longer be able to.It should dump welfare now. The REASON there is a huge influx of illegals crossing the borders is NOT to live the American dream. They are here because they know they will get instant welfare. (Also IS and other terrorists are using the Mexican border for ease of access.America was NOT founded on welfare. Those who are actually American in spirit, those that embrace capitalism in the coming chaos will not only survive but will thrive. Those who do not will starve or move to another country that is not yet gutted. Double slap in the face of America is those who are actively seeking its destruction and bleeding it for everything it can while the ship goes down. Let them starve. The sooner the better. Then America can rebuild itself.How many companies (even Burger King relocated to Canada because of a less punishing corporate tax structure) are fleeing to Ireland to save 100million+ in taxes. Hundreds!America needs to get back to being independent resourceful, proud and strong.America needs to embrace the concept of trading for dollars. (Francisco speech) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 How many companies (even Burger King relocated to Canada because of a less punishing corporate tax structure) are fleeing to Ireland to save 100million+ in taxes. Hundreds!Of course! They're shrugging just like Ayn Rand predicted they would, and I find that personally satisfying. I wouldn't be surprised if things got bad enough for the government to actually pass a "Directive 10-289" styled law to try to prevent businesses from escaping.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 America needs to get back to being independent resourceful, proud and strong.It doesn't matter what America does.As long as I live by American valueseven if no one else does......I'm America. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Fisher Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 question one, yes, unless all the progressives and Gary would fund a system that would service these folks as a pure charity.As to question two (2), partially as an intelligent response to extortion and as insurance. Additionally, I would have no problem whatsoever of shooting looters.Might even be nice and use whatever technology we have that would just make them go to sleep for a day.You would murder people whose politics you don't agree with. And for what? In the name of freedom? And I'm the evil fascist? Jesus fucking Christ dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 A person who is looting is not a law abiding citizen and are in a mob fueled frenzy of violence. It isn't murder to shoot a looter, it's self defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Speaking of the title of this thread....http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/08/alarms-sound-over-imminent-attacks-on-u-s/#e2abxtfPjYIixVoa.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Fisher Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 A person who is looting is not a law abiding citizen and are in a mob fueled frenzy of violence. It isn't murder to shoot a looter, it's self defence.I thought he ment "looters" in the Randian sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 How many companies (even Burger King relocated to Canada because of a less punishing corporate tax structure) are fleeing to Ireland to save 100million+ in taxes. Hundreds! Of course! They're shrugging just like Ayn Rand predicted they would, and I find that personally satisfying. I wouldn't be surprised if things got bad enough for the government to actually pass a "Directive 10-289" styled law to try to prevent businesses from escaping.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 They already are. The only reason Burger King was able to relocate was with the purchase of the Canadian Tim Hortons franchise. 11billion to buy it. This was not a stipulation from the Canadian side but a US policy that to relocate you had to prove a substantial amount of your customer base/business resides in the country you are relocating to.Soon they may close that stipulation as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Gary:So since you assumed, rather than ask a qualifying question, you retract what you posted correct?A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Fisher Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Gary:So since you assumed, rather than ask a qualifying question, you retract what you posted correct?A...I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 America needs to get back to being independent resourceful, proud and strong.It doesn't matter what America does.As long as I live by American valueseven if no one else does......I'm America. GregAnd your dog?--Brantbetter check him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thank you Gary...NY City rules - no harm, no foul.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 America needs to get back to being independent resourceful, proud and strong.It doesn't matter what America does.As long as I live by American valueseven if no one else does......I'm America. GregAnd your dog?--Brantbetter check him outI don't have a dog. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have you ever had dogs Greg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I have 3 dogs!http://www.viewbug.com/photo/26533121Schmoohttp://www.viewbug.com/photo/26532941Lunahttp://www.viewbug.com/photo/10828941Binky, also affectionately known as Piggy, piglet,rollybun and meanpuppayyy!(her growls when playing tug - o -war) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 A person who is looting is not a law abiding citizen and are in a mob fueled frenzy of violence. It isn't murder to shoot a looter, it's self defence.I thought he ment "looters" in the Randian sense.That's not really much of a distinction, Gary... The creatures Ayn Rand identified as looters are just worthless bureaucratic parasites who produce nothing useful and only exist by leeching off of what others produce.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have you ever had dogs Greg?Yes. I had Scotties and loved them. We chose not to have dogs or cats so as to grow food without needing to contend with feces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have you ever had dogs Greg?Yes. I had Scotties and loved them. We chose not to have dogs or cats so as to grow food without needing to contend with feces.But the wildlife! Rabbits, deer, bears, woodchucks, lizards, birds (bombs away!).My four cats stay indoors 24/7 every day of the week every month of the year and every year of the decade (so far for two of them).I suggest indoor hydro for you. Use the living room or guest bedroom.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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