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Thank you, Kat, for posting that. I have seen so many of these things over the past years. You get to the point you've memorized it or at least that's the way it has been with me and Chris. Every single IEP he has, all this stuff is brought back up and presented on paper. I always walk away from those IEPs with literally armfuls of reports, medical records, testings, etc. Still have most of it other than the redundancy aspect of it. But keep all the major reports and it's interesting to go through it and read it and see all the progress over the months and years, his interests, etc. It's great and enjoy it. Angie

Roger, I would be highly interested in your "channeling" Jung as if he was "observing" the mess over on So-Low Bashin'. Here within the next couple days, as soon as I get a free moment from my hectic day to day life, I'll be going down to pick up Jung. If you have any recommendations on where to begin, I would be interested. I'm not sure how many books, etc., he has written, although I'm sure he has written a few. Since this is an area I find fascinating and have come up with my own conclusions and observations of people when I was so young and watching them and what I went through personally and still do this till this day, I am very interested, and yes, excited to see what coincides with my own conclusions based on my own observations of people and what I went through so young. I am sure if you did this "channeling" I will definitely be reading as I'm sure many on this board will also be reading. Angie

Hi Roger, I've read much about personality tests, types, etc. One of my many interests that I have is psychology, one specific area though is "profiling" and forensics. Psych was very briefly touched on in my classes while in college but have read much outside of that setting. I enjoy reading regarding this aspect so I'll definitely check out Jung more thoroughly. Thank you for the recommendation as this is an area that I'm sure you know I would have a definite interest in. Angie

Hi Barbara, I have the same impression. For me personally, I don't take tests such as this too seriously, although it does give a quick "glimpse" into how the person may be. I think it is something that needs to be assessed over time and not from a quick survey or test, etc. My son is a good example of these types of tests. Even though he is young, he was given personality tests. But after much observation with many different doctors ranging from neuros to psychs to nurses to therapists, etc., of my son over a period of months and many IEPs later, their conclusions and observations of him were quite different from the initial test they gave him. They ultimately threw out the initial assessment of him and based their conclusions and findings of him over the many months of observing him and putting him through a battery of tests. One of the many benefits to having awesome health insurance, he gets the care he needs without any red tape of HMOs, etc. Exactly as you said, how many of these tests are going to tell you that you are a lying scumbag. LOL For me, I take these types of tests as for entertainment purposes only. When it comes to psych issues, etc., it is very difficult to get a good assessment of a person's personality based on a simple sit down test, even though it does give a "glimpse" into how they may be. But for me, an accurate assessment should be done over a period of time based on observations, multiple testing, etc. But I have the same impression as you. Angie Quick clarification re: my son. He was initially dxd as being autistic by his neuro but not sure to what extent. Then was referred to a number of different doctors, therapists, etc., and this is when most of the heavy testing went on, their assessments, the ultimate care he would need, etc. The dx was then narrowed down to being high functioning. Just wanted to clarify that so there was no confusion on what I posted in the parenting section re my son.

very interesting, I liked it. I am a "Reserved Leader." Doesn't surprise me in the least bit, although curious as to some of the extremes but predictable. According to that, I am only a 2 on the womanly factor....LOL...which also doesn't surprise me amongst a few other traits. But it was different and interesting and fun. Thanks, Jenna. Angie

Hi, Mikee, we're in the same boat. I scored 32. But I have never been diagnosed as being autistic although have seen a neurologist. Both psychologists and neurologists can give a diagnoses of autism. My son was diagnosed by a neurologist at about the age of 2.5 to 3, somewhere around there but seems to be doing so much better, especially now that he is getting older and is capable of understanding more. He has exceptional math skills, reading, science, etc. But is having problems with fine motor skills, penmanship, etc. To my understanding of Autism is the higher the score the more profound the disability is to the point they are not able to fucntion in society, etc. A good example of this is the movie about a severely autistic man, can't remember his name though. The movie is Rain Man. I enjoy reading about medicine as I've had quite a number of years of it so I'm always reading journals, books, etc., that deal with medicine. I just recently read and was floored by it that the man the movie was based on can read 2 pages at once with each eye concentrating on its own page and understands what he is reading. So basically open up any book, your right eye will read the page on the right and the left eye will read the page on the left at the same time and he is capable of understanding what he is reading on both pages simultaneously. Oh, it's absolutely fascinating. And there's so much to it. My personal opinion on it and have also been told this by friends that are doctors themselves, etc., is that the diagnosis of autism is overly used. If you don't fit into society, they have to label you as having some type of medical problem or what have you. You know, since a lot of people's view is all about conformity and grouping and not taking into account individuality. But it has never affected my life and Fran is right. No matter how high you score, as long as it doesn't affect the quality of your life there is no need for intervention. I've been told that a few times by doctors about Chris. He does have speech classes and OT classes but that is to help with slowing him down with his speech and pronouncing his words clearly and his fine motor skills. Chris talks extremely fast and runs all of his words together and is hard to understand sometimes. But as he's aging, this aspect is getting a lot easier on him. But as Fran said and I agree, if anyone is concerned about their score, make an appointment with your doctor. Although I didn't post the URL to give a diagnosis for anyone, it was just a test so whoever reads it they can look at the questions, etc. Some of those questions are very interesting, especially as it relates to O'ism and how O'ists are. I can definitely relate to it. Angie

Rich, it looks like you've given my cock eyed friend Gary some competition. I like the pix you sent. Are those the new brazilian cut speedos you got on?? //;-))

Laughing so hard......where the hell are you planning to shack us up at, Montana? Remember, we go dutch, my dear !!

Mr. Tightwad, you can't be too tight if you're willing to fly anywhere for a decent booty call !!

You can't forget the whipped cream and honey for -- oh, wait, that's for our other dirty little deed. ;) But we can't forget to put shaving cream on the other hand and tickle his nose as well.

So you like my cat suit. If you like that one, I have a French maid and a very sexy and sultry pirate wench outfit that's very eye pleasing !! Okay, we so have to stop this because this is so going to get out of hand and tummy hurts so bad from laughing so much. So shame on us but it's so much fun. :D/

Rich, check your email

So yuck to that one...just the thought of the whining and squealing and snorting sounds and food flyin' everywhere. Just the visual on that is making me want to blow chunks. Disgusting. And on top of it, I've seen pix of him so it makes the visual even more disturbing. Can't stop laughing right now. I just looked back up and started reading the first sentence and my mindset is towards the dirty deed right now and I just can't stop laughing, you know, whining, snorting, food flyin' everywhere....oh, that's too much. I would hate to see that one...that would be pretty scary, whining and snorting and food flyin' But can't stop laughing. Wow Yeah, I know, I have a weird sense of humor.

Damn, Rich, you just had to go and spill our little secret. Hush, Hush :-$ Screw the drive-in, mile high club is looking pretty damn tasty about now, oh, so much fun.....Woohooo !! Shit, Rich, if you're willing to fly anywhere, does that mean my booty is pretty damn decent ?? Although, you and a few others actually have seen what I look like. Yes, all, I sent pictures but not of my booty of course !! ;-) LMAO. Come on now, Rich, no need to cancel that flight. We've been plannin' this for a while now. It's all set up, no need to spoil the fun now because our little hush hush private talks are now out in the open !!

Now, now, Boys, if that nudge, nudge, wink, wink not fond of cricket but likes hockey was in reference to me and Rich being nudge, nudge, wink, wink, let's get it on type deal, I will assure you it is not. We are turning into good friends and have been talking through email for many months now and have shared much between friends. You know, guys and gals can have a wonderful relationship without gettin' the groove on. Although my cock eyed friend Gary is lookin' mighty fine these days....as Kat says, gals that slip on banana peels have a tendency to go for the guys with the big weenies !! Woohoo...bring it on, Baby !! Hey, my cock eyed friend, nudge, nudge wink, wink !! Just kidding.....LOL I'm so rude, pardon if I offended anyone with my vulgarities. Although, women do have a tendency to calm men down. But I will assure you it's not me that has done this to my little friend. Angie

My cock eyed friend, you're too much. I can't stop laughing. You are such a smart ass, unique style. I guess one of my posts was kinda fiery, you think? Yes, it rubbed me the wrong way. I don't get pissed off often. I'm pretty laid back. But when I do, I'll definitely let them know. I'm glad you like reading my long rambling posts even though you sometimes have to wear an asbestos suit to get through it....LOL Yes, I can be long winded, just have lots to say. I'm glad you weren't butt naked when reading my fiery post because I'm sure the precious jewel and 2 kids would have gotten toasted. And we don't want that to happen now do we...LOL Your fire breathing dragon Angie

Jody and Rich, come on now, you know I'm just playin' with you guys. You boys can rough house all you want with all the profanity you feel you need because we all know I have a trucker's mouth on me sometimes too. Have at it and let the rough housing begin. LOL I so need to start addressing these posts to the individuals that they are for. Of course, I did it again. First time I posted I didn't address it to anyone thinking you guys would know who it was for. But came back and addressed it to the two of you and changed it around a bit.

Now, Now, kids, let's play nice....LOL Two of my favorite buds on this forum. We all have our own ways of life. What one thinks is good for him may not be good for the other.

Hi, Paul. For me, I do not tolerate insults, disrespect, ill will towards me in the least bit. I was not going to respond earlier and was going to just let things cool off a bit. But when I came back and was going to respond, I still saw additional attacks and insults and that is what prompted my last post. I do not tolerate this type of behavior well by others. In my dealings with Nick so far, there has been no disrespect, insults thrown, etc., on my part. When it was directed at me, it truly caught me offgaurd and I was surprised a bit. I have sent Nick private messages through this forum asking for clarification on one of his posts that "seemed" to be related to one of mine but obviously was not. I told Nick that I had been reading his posts since he came to this forum and I found them interesting. They were a little bit long in the beginning but they have shortened up quite a bit. I told Nick to keep posting. He then extended me an invitation to visit his message board which I have not done. I barely have enough time to post to this forum let alone other ones. I do not mind having dealings with Nick just as long as there is no disrespect, insults thrown, etc., and we both respect each other's point of view, our own experiences, our backgrounds, the roads we have walked to get to where we are today. As I said, I do not tolerate name calling in the least bit. Once Nick gets to know me better, then he can pass whatever judgment he wants on me. That's his opinion of me. In the dealings I have had with Nick so far, he has been very respectful towards me and friendly. I do not mind moving past this. But as I said, I do not tolerate disrespect and name calling in the least bit. I am sure it will not happen again since this whole fiasco has finally come to a head. Angie

Rich, maybe you can answer a question for me. We have been talking for quite a few months now privately. I am well aware of the different religions and interpretations of it. You have told me quite a bit, especially about yours which has been quite interesting to learn about. I don't have a problem with this. We all have our own way of life and what we think is best for ourselves. We have shared quite a bit with each other over these past few months. Yes, I do admit that I came to harsh conclusions about religion very early on. Even though I had a very brief stint with it, I knew enough about it from watching others, etc., to know it was not for me and that it gave me the heebie jeebies and that it was bad. Remember I was extremely young at this age. I just didn't like the idea of praying to something you couldn't see, etc. Just as you have said that people who have had bad experiences with it, typically get a knee jerk reaction when presented with it. When we first started talking about this, I had no reaction of that sort. I have not been exposed to it so I have never developed a belief in it at all. But I do know that it is not for me. I know enough of it already to make that determination. You do not have to read the bible or what have you to make that determination. I find it very interesting when I talk with people that are into religion, not you, but others, etc., that when I tell them I have almost nill exposure to it, didn't even know who Mary was and that I have no desire to engage it they become very defensive. To me, it almost seems as a threat to them that there are people out there that truly do not know about religion but these people are still surviving and flourishing and are happy. Since you are into religion and I know about your religion already and don't have a problem with it, why is it people get such a knee jerk reaction and seem threatened or defensive by it when I say I don't know anyhing about it? I have my opinions but just wanting a perspective from someone that is religious and practices it. Angie And also, I'm not into art and never have been. I love museums, etc., but not much of an art buff. You know I love music but do not listen to Christian Rock, etc. You know, I am definitely a rock and roll fan amongst many other genres. But I'm also not a musician. I also enjoy reading when I can get the time but have never had a problem understanding it if there are some religious aspects to it or a few words brought up here and there, etc. So even if the religious influence is there as it is in society as a whole anyway, it's not a detriment to understanding your surroundings, your readings, etc.

Nick, I am not trying to be a bitch but do not assume that I am afraid of reading material that may challenge my view or my beliefs. I have read many many things that goes against my beliefs and I am around people everyday that do not see life as I see it or that do not have the same beliefs that I do and I don't have a problem with it. For one, I did not appreciate your distorting my post in the least bit and put your spin onto it, reminded me of some of the things that have happened on SOLO. There's a huge difference, Nick, between insulting someone such as you did with me and Paul by telling us we follow blindly and never thinking to walking on egg shells. This is not being open and at ease. This is downright disrespectful. When you make comments like that, you better believe you will feel the ramifications for it and we will not sit there and say, Oh, yes, Nick, I so agree with you; I don't ever think; I do not question anything and follow blindly; I'm so afraid of hearing or reading something that may conflict with my beliefs. What you said was rude and disrespectful to both me and Paul and to the others on this forum. It was obvious to me the way you responded and later admitted it bothered you when I said I had never read the bible and I was grateful for it that you took this extremely personal. It showed in the way you responded and it was a definite knee jerk reaction and you resorted to character assassination. I have already stated the reasons why I reject religion. I find it very interesting that I get such a knee jerk reaction from people that believe in religion when I tell them I have never been exposed to it. That there truly are humans walking this earth that know nothing about it but are surviving and flourishing without it. Your post did not prompt me to not read the bible. That was a decision I made a very long time ago. I have already stated the reasons why I reject religion and you do not have to read the bible in order to reject it. I have learned enough about it to know it is not for me. I find it interesting that I get that response from people when I tell them I have no knowledge of it. I believe that the reason I get such a bad reaction from people is that most people out there have been exposed to it to some degree or another. They have formed some type of belief in it at one point or another. I have never formed the belief in a god and I think that threatens them to some degree. That religion truly is not a necessary part of a human being's life in order to survive and flourish and be happy. You do not know the road I have walked to get to where I am at today. You have not seen what I have seen. You have not gone through the things I have gone through. I will tell you this it is some very heavy shit and not for the faint of heart. I cannot deny my mind. I cannot deny what I have seen with my own 2 eyes. I cannot put faith into a being I cannot see and that will not help me, will not bring me the things I want in life, that will not make my life what I want it to be. The romance to me seems a little one sided. As I said, I do not have a problem hearing other people's points of view or beliefs that conflict with mine. I live around it everyday. BUT I do not push my way of life onto them as they shouldn't push their way of life onto me. I do not have a fragile ego. That is another insult to me. You do not know me in the least bit and do not jump to conclusions and make your assumptions about my ego or how I am as a person or that I am afraid to read something that does not coincide with my beliefs. You again are jumping the gun and passing your judgment without knowing me personally. This is very childish. Do you see me posting about how I think you are and that you follow blindly, you don't think, that you have a fragile ego, and that you are culturally an idiot, and so on? No. I have not been doing this but you have resorted to this and it speaks volumes to me on how you are. All I have been doing is defending myself from your attacks. And quite frankly, your posts are evidence enough of how you are. They speak for themselves. I do not appreciate the continued attacks and I think it is very childish to say the least. I am sure I will be bashed over the head by you for this at some point or another. I truly do not appreciate the things you have said about me without even knowing who I am, my past, my mind, etc. This will be my last post to you. I will not waste my time and energy defending myself against a person that results to name calling and insults those around them that do not agree with you. This was evidence enough when me and Paul stated we were not familiar with religion and one had already rejected it (myself) and you took it extremely personal. When I told you I had no desire to engage in religion and Paul also had very little knowledge of it, you resorted to disrespecting us and throwing insults. Our views are quite different than yours and you became upset. Who is the one that has the problem hearing another person's point of view that conflicts with yours? It is only obvious what the answer is. YOU. Angie

Paul, we both defended ourselves. Although I was caught offguard a bit and could have worded it a lot better and a lot harsher but I think I got my point across I hope. I'm a bit surprised myself. Yes, it is futile and not our responsibility to change someone else's point of view. But thank you for considering my defense. Angie

Thank you, Jody, My nose is finely tuned for SHIT, big heeping steaming piles of it and always turn my nose up and away when I smell SHIT....LOL That just really rubbed me the wrong way. Independent conclusions, that's where it is at and always will be, not in what you find in a book or what AR tells you. Use the power of your own mind to draw your own conclusions. Surprised that I was told that I accept AR blindly and what she writes about without question. WOW, how wrong he is on that one and you know it as well as I do. Thank you, Jody

Paul, I so agree with you...should I respond, should I respond, should I respond....DEFINITELY NOT That majorily rubbed me the wrong way

Wow, for one, Nick, do not ever say that I came to these conclusions based on reading the works of Ayn Rand or any other book looking for answers. I will have you know these conclusions I have come to were based on my own observations, my own conclusions. For the most part, they all line up exactly with Ayn Rand's. I do not look for answers based on what other people tell me or what I may find in a book. I look for answers that come from my own background, my own life, and my own mind. I do not search in books looking for someone else to give me answers. That is one of the biggest problems I have with people that bury themselves in books trying to find answers they will never find as to why they do what they do. The only person that can tell them why they do what they do is themselves. My point being is that so many people say that religion is so heavy in a human being's life. They believe that we are all born into religion. I so emphatically disagree with this. I am walking proof that human beings do not need a form of religion to guide their lives. I do not believe in putting hope into a being that I cannot even see with my own two eyes. I do not put hope in a being that supposedly will take care of me, that will give me the answers. The only being that can give me answers as to why I do what I do and can take care of me and give me hope is MYSELF and not some god that someone wrote about or what Ayn Rand has written about. We are all individuals and we all have our own reasons as to why we do what we do. And I question everything that I do and always have. I do not accept something blindly and just go along with it. The question that should be asked is How many Independent conclusions have you drawn on your own? Independent meaning, your own conclusions, your own knowledge, your own observations. How can you truly own your mind when you are constantly looking for answers in a book or what Ayn Rand has said or the institution you believe in? You can't. That book owns a piece of your mind, Ayn Rand owns a piece of your mind, the institution owns a piece of your mind. I do not know you. You do not know my past. I have been an O'ist for the past 17 or so years. I came to the same conclusions that Ayn Rand has and to an extent NB has very early on on my own. There are a few at this forum that know the details of my past and what had happened and why and how I came to those conclusions and integrated them into my life. After telling a good friend about 5 years ago about my past, my own conclusions, my own beliefs that I had formed, he then told me about Ayn Rand and asked me to read Atlas and then was asked to share my opinions with him which I did. That just so rubs me the wrong way. Do not jump the gun on who I am and how I am as a person and be disprectful towards me by telling me that I read O'ist literature and accept it without question. I have read very little of Ayn Rand's works but I have come to the same conclusions she has ON MY OWN. I am heavily dependent on my own mind to give me answers. I do not depend on reading her books to give me answers as to why I do what I do and then accept it without question. Yes, I emphatically reject religion and have since I was very very young. My biggest problem with religion is that they believe in something they cannot see. Do not jump the gun and start attacking people and their character without knowing them first. You do not pass judgment on a person unless you get to know them as an individual first and then you pass your judgment. Each person on this forum has their own beliefs, their own way of life, their own conclusions, what they will accept and won't accept. Some are heavy readers and others are not. I enjoy reading but I do not look to books to give me answers as to why I do what I do and I do not accept things blindly because Ayn Rand said so or some so-called god said so or whoever else. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do and why we do it. I cannot deny what I SAW with my own 2 eyes when I was very young. I cannot deny what I went through when I was so young and I definitely cannot deny the power of using my own mind to draw my own conclusions based on my own observations. Do not ever tell me that I accept blindly whatever I read. Exactly what Paul said, if you want to discuss anything with me, show some respect for me as well as some respect for the others on this forum. But even then, I definitely do not like the way you handled that and so quickly jumped the gun and passed your judgment on the type of person I am and the type of person Paul is. You do not know either one of us. I most definitely did not appreciate that one bit. Angie