Chris Grieb Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 The latest word is Lions Gate has withdrawn. Jesus will come back and the Atlas will come on the same day. I hope I don't sound pessimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Tom...Home schooling is geometrically increasing right now. I do not see it as regressing, I see it as progressing with all the educational technological assets that now exist at your fingertips.Robert...You are absolutely correct on the separation between the school/educational institution and the state.AdamAnyone know the status of the Atlas Shrugged movie project? If a provocative movie of Atlas came out it just might serve as a catalyst among the young people. Last I heard it has stalled but I wonder if the project will come back to life in the near future, before it is too late!98722 8PM 10Jan 98764, 11PM 98780 almost one hundred new members in one day alone! As these folks meet locally and inspire each other the momentum will continue to grow. 10 AM 11 Jan 98813, 10:40 98891; 12 Jan 6:52 98934I have been writing Dec instead of Jan Now 12 Jan 98997 Edited January 13, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) 98722 8PM 10Jan 98764, 11PM 98780 almost one hundred new members in one day alone! As these folks meet locally and inspire each other the momentum will continue to grow. 10 AM 11 Jan 98813, 10:40 98891; 12 Jan 6:52 98934I have been writing Dec instead of Jan Now 12 Jan 9899710PM 12Jan 99018; 13 Jan 6AM 99042 5PM 99117These folks are the 21st Century Minutemen in the Second American rEVOLution. Their numbers are growing about 1000 strong every dozen days or less. Their purpose is to enlighten their friends and relatives and coworkers and to ultimately elect representatives who believe in the Constitution and intend to restore our republic. They are organizing in every Congressional district in the country and will run candidates from now on.They are arming themselves with the knowledge to change the direction in which our country is heading toward greater individual freedom and toward limiting the government to its Constitutional limits and to stop the foreign interventions which are not authorized in Article 1 Section 8.www.campaignforliberty.comgulch Edited January 13, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Galt; Did Ron Paul object during the counting of the electoral college? I did not hear of any member of either body objecting during the official count. Is it possible that Dr. Paul looked at some of the material you Galt posted and found it wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have been writing Dec instead of Jan Now 12 Jan 98997By next year there should be about 200,000. Breathtaking!Over 110 million people voted. That comes to about 1/5500 of the electorate. I am positively underwhelmed!Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Folks:In defense of Galt's numbers, and this is a big "if" scenario...If the bulk of those numbers were experienced political operatives like myself and...If they are relatively well distributed amongst the 435 Congressional Districts and ...If they can raise and apply the monies intelligently and not on frills like the Hilary campaign and their 1/2 million dollar deli bill in the Ohio primary...then we can elect a base of 20-40 Congressional folks which could make an effective pro Constitutional Caucus that could be extremely effective in advancing the agenda and creating a really fertile climate for 2012 Congressional Districts and the Presidency.Moreover, there effect on the off year local elections could be geometric.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) I have been writing Dec instead of Jan Now 12 Jan 98997By next year there should be about 200,000. Breathtaking!Over 110 million people voted. That comes to about 1/5500 of the electorate. I am positively underwhelmed!Ba'al ChatzafBa'al,I shudder to think of what you might have said at the time of George Washington's defeat and losses in the Battle of Brooklyn Heights!I expect the rate of increase in membership of the Campaign For Liberty will accelerate as their numbers grow. At some point, once they start to run candidates or sponsor educational activities, that their numbers will also pick up some. If Obama and Clinton turn out to be as we expect, that will just make our job easier. I am reminded of the Gutherie tune Alice's Restaurant, it was anti draft as you recall. The lyrics suggested that if enough people show up and sing the song (pass the torch) it will be thought to be a movement!Imagine how John Galt felt when he began his crusade to enlist others to his cause. Also imagine how Ayn Rand must have felt when she was the only one who grasped Objectivism!99130; 14 Jan 7AM 99161www.campaignforliberty.comgulch Edited January 14, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I have been writing Dec instead of Jan Now 12 Jan 98997By next year there should be about 200,000. Breathtaking!Over 110 million people voted. That comes to about 1/5500 of the electorate. I am positively underwhelmed!Ba'al ChatzafBa'al,I shudder to think of what you might have said at the time of George Washington's defeat and losses in the Battle of Brooklyn Heights!I expect the rate of increase in membership of the Campaign For Liberty will accelerate as their numbers grow. At some point, once they start to run candidates or sponsor educational activities, that their numbers will also pick up some. If Obama and Clinton turn out to be as we expect, that will just make our job easier. I am reminded of the Gutherie tune Alice's Restaurant, it was anti draft as you recall. The lyrics suggested that if enough people show up and sing the song (pass the torch) it will be thought to be a movement!Imagine how John Galt felt when he began his crusade to enlist others to his cause. Also imagine how Ayn Rand must have felt when she was the only one who grasped Objectivism!99130www.campaignforliberty.comgulchJohn Galt is a figment of Rand's imagination. Can we restrict ourselves to the real world, please? If Geo. Washington had lost we would have ended up like Canada. Which is not wonderful, but neither is it terrible. Well the Rebels did win and what did we end up with? A Civil War which killed 620,000 souls and maimed and million and half others in a country with a population of about thirty million. That is what we got. What did the Canadians get? The equivalent of a republic, with no civil war and no genocidal slaughter of the aboriginal peoples. And after all of the rebelling against taxation without representation we wind up with an income tax that takes over thirty percent of our hard earned money. When Joseph was viceroy of Egypt the peasant serfs never paid over twenty percent to pharo and his priests. As it is we have socialism in the U.S. without the guts to call it socialism. So what good has Objectivism done us? Both the U.S. and Canada have systems that are compatible with human life and muddling through is possible in both. I don't see people running from Canada they same way they run from Mexico or Cuba. I keep telling you (but you don't listen) that the American electorate prefers a mildly redistributive system. How do I know this? They keep electing redistributers. Libertarians garner almost enough votes to be elected dog catcher. This has all happened before. In the days of the Roman empire, there plebes did not want to return to the Republic. They wanted an emperor. Have you ever wondered why people will adapt themselves to an authoritarian system or a redistributive system? Why is that? If you had a plebiscite tomorrow whether to have more of the same or go back to the Constitution as it was before the Civil War, which question do you think would carry?Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ba'al:We would certainly not get much of the black or woman's vote how about the Constitution 1n 1902 with the 19th Amendment added and no campaign finance rules except public disclosure on a web site and just for the fun of it, an temporary proviso that anyone who contributes Corporation or individual cannot be employed or do business with the Federal Government for four (4) years.Might be an interesting plebiscite!Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 My feeling is it would have been a big mess anyway, especially regarding slavery. By losing the colonies Great Britain could afford to be rid of the slave trade, but which side did it favor in the Civil War? It wanted the economic fruits of slavery regardless. The United States is a country that has always been dominated by imperialists going back to colonial days, essentially at war with the mother-country since the get-go. The US is the world's number 1 kick-ass country. Just as the US goaded South Carolina to start the Civil War with tariffs, the US goaded Japan to go to war with it with embargoes. Assertion of dominance and authority.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Folks:There is a great Marine saying:"If you are ever involved in a fair fight, you fucked up!"Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 oops sorry wrong thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) My feeling is it would have been a big mess anyway, especially regarding slavery. By losing the colonies Great Britain could afford to be rid of the slave trade, but which side did it favor in the Civil War? It wanted the economic fruits of slavery regardless. The United States is a country that has always been dominated by imperialists going back to colonial days, essentially at war with the mother-country since the get-go. The US is the world's number 1 kick-ass country. Just as the US goaded South Carolina to start the Civil War with tariffs, the US goaded Japan to go to war with it with embargoes. Assertion of dominance and authority.--BrantEveryone provides unique perspectives. One castigates me for bringing up John Galt as a fictional character! Day dreaming about what would have happened if the rebels had lost the rebellion is somehow realistic? That didn't happen. Mankind in the form of the Founders tried to establish a republic based on individual rights and a limited constitutional government. It is true that much ground has been lost over the years as weeds in the form of laws granting powers to the Feds not authorized in Art 1 Sect 8 have taken root. I am reminded of my climb up Mt Shasta in northern California, in my mountain climbing days. Above the talis slopes one encounters long slopes of pebbles such that each time you place one foot higher it proceeds to slide back down as you try to step ahead with the other foot. Progress can be made if one keeps at it and the summit was worth reaching. Some here sound utterly cynical and pessimistic. Assertions are made that suggest our goal of a sustainable free society is impossible because of the present mind set and priorities of the vast majority of people who would rather endure a degree of enslavement and redistribution.My response is that that is a hypothesis worth testing!www.campaignforliberty.com membership 99210 at 6PM on Jan 14 and 99218 at 6:45PMgulch Edited January 14, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Now this is an argument that I totally agree with and viscerally any sentient being can "feel" is true:"I am reminded of my climb up Mt Shasta in northern California, in my mountain climbing days. Above the talis slopes on encounters long slopes of pebbles such that each time you place one foot higher it proceeds to slide back down as you try to step ahead with the other foot. Progress can be made if one keeps at it and the summit was worth reaching.""My response is that that is a hypothesis worth testing!" I think it is worth testing, but I also believe that we should have out Gultches planned as small groups or as individuals.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I am reminded of my climb up Mt Shasta in northern California, in my mountain climbing days. Above the talis slopes one encounters long slopes of pebbles such that each time you place one foot higher it proceeds to slide back down as you try to step ahead with the other foot. Progress can be made if one keeps at it and the summit was worth reaching.I dealt with that problem by walking backwards. Each time I put my foot down it slid further uphill. Amazing. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) I am reminded of my climb up Mt Shasta in northern California, in my mountain climbing days. Above the talis slopes one encounters long slopes of pebbles such that each time you place one foot higher it proceeds to slide back down as you try to step ahead with the other foot. Progress can be made if one keeps at it and the summit was worth reaching.I dealt with that problem by walking backwards. Each time I put my foot down it slid further uphill. Amazing. --BrantThere are three apparent summits on Mt. Shasta as you move up the first talus slope aptly called Disappointment Peak 1, then 2, finally 3. The real summit lies above all of these across a sun cupped snow field so you must be sure to bring your sun glasses to avoid snow blindness.The recollection is relevant because we are confronted with many disappointments along the way toward our dream of actually living in a truly free society here. My wife and I just watched Reilly, Ace Spy starring Sam Neill. The ending was sad but the story dealt with the amazing life of a man whose exploits were dramatized in the movie followed by a documentary of his actual life. It is instructive for power lusters everywhere and for those who might aspire to set mankind free from such evil tyrants.Ayn Rand was certainly correct in pointing out the necessity of laying the proper philosophical foundation before there could be successful political action.www.campaignforliberty.com 14 Jan 10PM 99230 almost one quarter of the way to the next 1000 increment mark in just a couple of days. It appears to be that the numbers are increasing at an ever accelerating pace! 15Jan 5AM 99262; 16 Jan 7:26 AM 99399; 17Jan 12:26AM 99499I am nevertheless disheartened that the pace is so slow. To my way of thinking the one hundred thousand members should each be determined to reach at least one person to join the cause each day! Even if it took one week to reach one more the numbers should be doubling and redoubling if not daily at least weekly or even monthly. If that were to happen it would just take ten days or ten weeks or ten months to reach well into the tens of millions!100K, 200K, 400K, 800K, 1600K, 3200K, 6400K, 12800K, 25M, 50M, 100 Million! I post this Campaign For Liberty update here and elsewhere, but I post this website and Ayn Rand's works and links everywhere else I go too. I think it will take both, and there is no time to waste if we are going to see it happen in our lifetimes.gulch Edited January 19, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) www.campaignforliberty.com 12 Jan 99018 14 Jan 10PM 99230; 15Jan 5AM 99262; 16 Jan 7AM 99399; 17Jan 12:26AM 99499, 5AM 99514, 12:44PM 99546, 8PM 99587,10PM 99597; 18 Jan 12:45AM 99610 8:35 AM 99639, 11:59PM 99728; 19 JAN 6AM 99754, 11AM 99774, 4PM 99801, 7PM 99823; 20 Jan 6:30AM 99877Here is a link to a video featuring Ron Paul talking about the German hyperinflation of the early twenties and the fact that our own government printing presses are rolling which will have consequences for our economy, the dollar, and our individual liberties: Feel free to watch his other videos on the youtube siteNotice how the membership in his Campaign For Liberty is growing an additional one thousand members every ten or twelve days!gulch Edited January 20, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) www.campaignforliberty.com 12 Jan 99018 14 Jan 10PM 99230; 15Jan 5AM 99262; 16 Jan 7AM 99399; 17Jan 12:26AM 99499, 5AM 99514, 12:44PM 99546, 8PM 99587,10PM 99597; 18 Jan 12:45AM 99610 8:35 AM 99639, 11:59PM 99728; 19 JAN 6AM 99754, 11AM 99774, 4PM 99801, 7PM 99823; 20 Jan 6:30AM 99877Notice how the membership in his Campaign For Liberty is growing an additional one thousand members every ten or twelve days!On Inauguration Day our membership just might attain the lofty milestone of 100,000 as there are this morning 99877. Perhaps a gentle reader of this post might decide to become part of this historic endeavor and join those of us already committed to the cause of restoring our freedom, sound hard currency, unentangled overseas alliances and following the rules and limits set down in the Constitution.www.campaignforliberty.com20Jan 5:44PM 99999 5:45PM 100,000; 21Jan 7AM 100,131,gulch Edited January 21, 2009 by galtgulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 On Inauguration Day our membership just might attain the lofty milestone of 100,000 as there are this morning 99877. Perhaps a gentle reader of this post might decide to become part of this historic endeavor and join those of us already committed to the cause of restoring our freedom, sound hard currency, unentangled overseas alliances and following the rules and limits set down in the Constitution.www.campaignforliberty.com20Jan 5:44PM 99999 5:45PM 100,000; 21Jan 7AM 100,131,gulchNow an impressive 100,333 meaning one third of the way to an additional 1000 increment in just one day!If this keeps up I might become even more optimistic than I have been. I might even consider running for Congress in the next election. Imagine an Objectivist, prochoice Republican candidate in liberal Massachusetts runnning against a Democrat who voted for the bailouts again and again even after I warned him and recommended he read Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises! I would say he is vulnerable.gulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 By my calculations, 100,333 / 435 congressional districts = 231 votes per district, 461 if the number doubles by the next election. To overcome odds like that you'd better start campagining soon and and quit wasting your time on OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 By my calculations, 100,333 / 435 congressional districts = 231 votes per district, 461 if the number doubles by the next election. To overcome odds like that you'd better start campagining soon and and quit wasting your time on OL.Reidy:Now if I trained those 231 and made them into an ED by ED field organization, with the technology available today we would make the difference in about 20 to 45 districts maybe more in the 2010 elections.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 <<<"Now if I trained those 231 and made them into an ED by ED field organization, with the technology available today we would make the difference in about 20 to 45 districts maybe more in the 2010 elections.">>>Adam,Imagine my astonishment to find that the membership is now 100,400 already. If this keeps up, perhaps prompted by real events in Washington, my little doubling, redoubling scenario may just materialize after all.What is an ED by ED field organization?Thanks for your moral support.gulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Galt:They are the smallest components from which we can accumulate votes from - the election district. http://www.oyez.org/cases/1960-1969/1963/1963_22/ 1964 Sup. Ct. Decision came out of Georgia basically stated that Cong. Dist. should be proportionally the same population size.522 EDs per Congressional District (CD), 244 EDs per State Senate District (SD) and 101 EDs per Assembly District (AD) - these are the NY State Standards.So 231 properly trained people would have to coordinate and work two (2) EDs each until they trained another person. Each person would have to be responsible with knowing each and ever one of the prime voters which is usually between 500 and 800 in Brooklyn for example the 10 CD - Starret City, Crown Heights, Bushwick etc is a Gerrymandered District that has kept Adolphus Townes in for 24 years - a black man who has managed to keep the black slums intact for a quarter of a century.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galtgulch Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 They are the smallest components from which we can accumulate votes from - the election district.Well I doubt that the 100,461 members are equally distributed among the 435 Congressional districts but I know they are organizing all over in each state. Notice almost halfway to 1000 increment in just one day! Wonder if that rate will be sustained?If there is sufficient dissatisfaction with how things are being handled as there already is with the bailout perhaps voters will be willing to throw out some incumbents and let in new politicians who have a more pro free market, limited govt approach.I am considering entering the fray myself if only to influence the dialog.Used to think I couldn't afford to take the pay cut but already having hours cut that I am allowed to work so it may be moot.gulch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidy Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Keep in mind that your predictions that Paul would emerge as dark-horse victor from the convention / Electoral College will be here on OL for opposition researchers to find. It won't be as embarrassing as the Paul / Rockwell newsletters, and you can hardly handle it worse, but you'd better be prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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