tjohnson Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 GS, While this will work out fine for me, it won't work out for an Objectivist since the claim that "objective values" exist is the root premise on which the whole philosophy rests. Every belief in "objective value" naturally leads to all other values being devalued as "non-objective". If that root premise is refuted, it reduces Rand's "objective value" claim to a personal set of values and beliefs held. But something can only become "a value" if a volitional entity attributes value to it. Which is why there can't exist any values "out there" awaiting objective discovery. Do you believe that objective values exist? If my memory is correct, your position is that values can't be anything but subjective. Whereas Rand verbatim wrote that e. g. plants "seek values". No kidding. Source: AR, "The Virtue of Selfishness", page 19 pb.You said you have not read much of Rand, but studying the primary source would serve as an eye-opener.I think at this point I would try to discuss it without using the word 'objective'. The beauty of language is that things can expressed in many different ways and perhaps some other ways would lead to agreement instead of incessant arguing. I believe that organisms require things to survive and flourish and these things can be observed and measured in an manner so as to minimize the idiosyncrasies of the observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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