Marc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Sarcasm is anger’s younger cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I have plenty to be angry about.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I hear you , we’re brothers in arms , my man . I want you though to come with us , Why are you angry ? Woman problems ? And Im not talking Hillary Clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Heh, writer Nolte says what I've been frequently saying -- It's all, most, about style over substance... Nolte: Woodward Book, Anonymous NYTimes Op-Ed Reveal Trump’s Done Nothing Wrong 7767 Andrew Harnik/Associated Press 6 Sep 201810,799 -------------- Trump has done nothing wrong. Remember that… As the corrupt media fabricate a “fitness for office” crisis, remember… Trump has done nothing wrong. Even those hiding behind anonymity, even those hiding behind those hiding behind anonymity, no one has made a single allegation that Trump has done anything wrong. All this ginned up media hysteria, all this Never Trump nonsense about the 25th Amendment, all this #Resistance adulation over a glory-seeking narcissist hiding behind the skirts of the New York Times — where is this narcissist’s allegation of wrongdoing? Go back and read the piece — there’s no allegation of wrongdoing on Trump’s part, just a coward, a preener, a saboteur with no respect for the Constitution, no respect for our electoral system, and even less respect for the American people who voted to put Trump in charge as opposed to an unelected cabal of Deep Staters. All this hand-wringing, all this frenzy, all this invented concern over chaos in the White House, over this unprecedented moment in presidential history, what is it really about…? No, ask yourself that. Stop for a moment. Take a breath. Close your eyes. Turn off Chuck Todd. Put away the iPhone. And ask yourself, what is this concocted five-alarm Constitutional crisis built on? If you are honest with yourself, you will realize that it is built on only one thing… Grade-A, 100 percent horseshit. Even if everything Woodward’s anonymous sources say is true… So what? Even if everything the New York Times narcissist says is true… So what? Look at what these failures and liars and grifters are trying to con you with… Because it has nothing to do with illegality, nothing to do with substance, and everything to do withstyle. The corrupt establishment is colluding to head fake America into freaking out over Trump’s style while Trump delivers and delivers and delivers on the substance, on things that actually matter. Trump has an erratic management style. So what? I’m supposed to care he burns people out, dresses them down, demands they do crazy stuff like at long last win one of these endless neocon wars? So what? I don’t care how Trump makes his decisions, I care about the end result of those decisions. All this long con over Trump’s “fitness” is based on is his management style; which is meaningless inside-inside gossip for the stupid and shallow to masturbate over – a hoax, a con, a carnival barker’s sideshow. How about if we focus on the substance for just a moment… Our economy is booming for the first time in a freakin’ decade, manufacturing jobs are finally coming back, North Korea has stopped launching missiles, the War on Terror feels like a bad memory, ISIS is no longer lighting people on fire, Putin’s adventurism has been halted, the rule of law is returning to the Supreme Court, someone is finally paying serious attention to the plight of the working class, were out of the Paris Hoax Treaty, the Iran Deal is dead, we’re not funding the Palestinians, we’re not transporting billions in cash to terrorist nations, the media are finally being treated like the Democrat operatives they are, the Obamacare mandate is dead, black and Hispanic unemployment has hit record lows, and, and, and… Look at that. Look at all of those accomplishments, all the substantive substance above and tell me again why I’m supposed to give even a scintilla of a damn about Trump’s style. Style over substance, style over substance, style over substance… That is the only thing this stupid maelstrom is all about… Trump’s enemies in the Deep State, the establishment media, and those Vichy Republicans in Never Trump, cannot touch Trump on substance, on his undeniable accomplishments, so they’re using anonymous sources and their own self-regard to try to gaslight us into believing style IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. Okay, let’s talk about Trump’s style, his temperament, his approach to the rule of law, our vaunted institutions, and the First Amendment… Has Trump bent subordinates over the Resolute Desk to use them as his own personal humidor and then committed perjury? No, that was Bill Clinton’s style. Has Trump weaponized the IRS against the American people, left four Americans to die in Benghazi, run guns to Mexican drug lords, and spied on the national media? No, that was Barack Obama’s style. Has Trump politicized a funeral to fuel his petty grudges? No, that’s the McCain style. Has Trump launched a war of choice with no endgame? No, that was George W. Bush’sstyle. Has Trump been caught off guard by no less than the fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11; did he sucker us into an endless war because his intelligence was junk? No, that’s the Deep State’s style. Has Trump laundered money through a law firm to hire a foreigner to approach the Russians so they can fill a dossier with lies as a means to rig an election? No, that’s Hillary’sstyle. Has Trump lied to obtain warrants so he can abuse his power to surveill and spy on a presidential campaign? No, that’s the FBI’s style. Has Trump called for violence? No, that’s CNN’s style. Does Trump oversee an institution riddled with rapists? No, that’s Hollywood’s style. Is Trump in charge of an institution that covers up for and enables sexual predators? No, that’s the establishment media’s style. Does Trump stand silent as his audience boos rape victims? No, that’s Jake Tapper’s style. Those guilty of the above want to overturn an election because Trump refuses to take their crap, enjoys cheeseburgers, fires off tweets that haven’t been focus-grouped, wants to kill the monstrous Bashar al-Assad, protects our border, and might have yodeled in a porn star’s gully 13-years-ago. All I know is this… For the first time since those passenger planes hit the World Trade Center 17 long years ago, Trump has at long last returned America to peace and prosperity… Something so rare, no one under the age of 30 even remembers what it’s like. Well, let me tell you, I remember peace and prosperity, I recognize it when I see it, I see it now, and it is glorious and long overdue and hard-earned, and the guy who deserves the most credit for delivering it — all I can say is God bless his style, and goddamn the hysterics trying to gaslight me into caring about anything other than the substance his style delivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Bravo ! I literally stand and applaud ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I’m not actually angry at Trump at all Marc. I’m angry at our own government and the idiots in this country that elected it and literally cheer every time yet another law or tax is enacted that moves us yet closer to being no better off than Venezuela.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Marc said: We have Premiere Ford here ( and some crazy stuff going on here in Ontario right now ) who is doing a spectacular job and just did something Trump would be proud of !!!! Something something notwithstanding clause, or buck a beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: Something something notwithstanding clause, or buck a beer? See, that’s why I love you !!!!!! In a cyber sort of way ! Both ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 hours ago, anthony said: Heh, writer Nolte says what I've been frequently saying -- It's all, most, about style over substance... Nolte: Woodward Book, Anonymous NYTimes Op-Ed Reveal Trump’s Done Nothing Wrong 7767 Andrew Harnik/Associated Press 6 Sep 201810,799 -------------- Trump has done nothing wrong. Remember that… As the corrupt media fabricate a “fitness for office” crisis, remember… Trump has done nothing wrong. Even those hiding behind anonymity, even those hiding behind those hiding behind anonymity, no one has made a single allegation that Trump has done anything wrong. All this ginned up media hysteria, all this Never Trump nonsense about the 25th Amendment, all this #Resistance adulation over a glory-seeking narcissist hiding behind the skirts of the New York Times — where is this narcissist’s allegation of wrongdoing? Go back and read the piece — there’s no allegation of wrongdoing on Trump’s part, just a coward, a preener, a saboteur with no respect for the Constitution, no respect for our electoral system, and even less respect for the American people who voted to put Trump in charge as opposed to an unelected cabal of Deep Staters. All this hand-wringing, all this frenzy, all this invented concern over chaos in the White House, over this unprecedented moment in presidential history, what is it really about…? No, ask yourself that. Stop for a moment. Take a breath. Close your eyes. Turn off Chuck Todd. Put away the iPhone. And ask yourself, what is this concocted five-alarm Constitutional crisis built on? If you are honest with yourself, you will realize that it is built on only one thing… Grade-A, 100 percent horseshit. Even if everything Woodward’s anonymous sources say is true… So what? Even if everything the New York Times narcissist says is true… So what? Look at what these failures and liars and grifters are trying to con you with… Because it has nothing to do with illegality, nothing to do with substance, and everything to do withstyle. The corrupt establishment is colluding to head fake America into freaking out over Trump’s style while Trump delivers and delivers and delivers on the substance, on things that actually matter. Trump has an erratic management style. So what? I’m supposed to care he burns people out, dresses them down, demands they do crazy stuff like at long last win one of these endless neocon wars? So what? I don’t care how Trump makes his decisions, I care about the end result of those decisions. All this long con over Trump’s “fitness” is based on is his management style; which is meaningless inside-inside gossip for the stupid and shallow to masturbate over – a hoax, a con, a carnival barker’s sideshow. How about if we focus on the substance for just a moment… Our economy is booming for the first time in a freakin’ decade, manufacturing jobs are finally coming back, North Korea has stopped launching missiles, the War on Terror feels like a bad memory, ISIS is no longer lighting people on fire, Putin’s adventurism has been halted, the rule of law is returning to the Supreme Court, someone is finally paying serious attention to the plight of the working class, were out of the Paris Hoax Treaty, the Iran Deal is dead, we’re not funding the Palestinians, we’re not transporting billions in cash to terrorist nations, the media are finally being treated like the Democrat operatives they are, the Obamacare mandate is dead, black and Hispanic unemployment has hit record lows, and, and, and… Look at that. Look at all of those accomplishments, all the substantive substance above and tell me again why I’m supposed to give even a scintilla of a damn about Trump’s style. Style over substance, style over substance, style over substance… That is the only thing this stupid maelstrom is all about… Trump’s enemies in the Deep State, the establishment media, and those Vichy Republicans in Never Trump, cannot touch Trump on substance, on his undeniable accomplishments, so they’re using anonymous sources and their own self-regard to try to gaslight us into believing style IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. Okay, let’s talk about Trump’s style, his temperament, his approach to the rule of law, our vaunted institutions, and the First Amendment… Has Trump bent subordinates over the Resolute Desk to use them as his own personal humidor and then committed perjury? No, that was Bill Clinton’s style. Has Trump weaponized the IRS against the American people, left four Americans to die in Benghazi, run guns to Mexican drug lords, and spied on the national media? No, that was Barack Obama’s style. Has Trump politicized a funeral to fuel his petty grudges? No, that’s the McCain style. Has Trump launched a war of choice with no endgame? No, that was George W. Bush’sstyle. Has Trump been caught off guard by no less than the fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11; did he sucker us into an endless war because his intelligence was junk? No, that’s the Deep State’s style. Has Trump laundered money through a law firm to hire a foreigner to approach the Russians so they can fill a dossier with lies as a means to rig an election? No, that’s Hillary’sstyle. Has Trump lied to obtain warrants so he can abuse his power to surveill and spy on a presidential campaign? No, that’s the FBI’s style. Has Trump called for violence? No, that’s CNN’s style. Does Trump oversee an institution riddled with rapists? No, that’s Hollywood’s style. Is Trump in charge of an institution that covers up for and enables sexual predators? No, that’s the establishment media’s style. Does Trump stand silent as his audience boos rape victims? No, that’s Jake Tapper’s style. Those guilty of the above want to overturn an election because Trump refuses to take their crap, enjoys cheeseburgers, fires off tweets that haven’t been focus-grouped, wants to kill the monstrous Bashar al-Assad, protects our border, and might have yodeled in a porn star’s gully 13-years-ago. All I know is this… For the first time since those passenger planes hit the World Trade Center 17 long years ago, Trump has at long last returned America to peace and prosperity… Something so rare, no one under the age of 30 even remembers what it’s like. Well, let me tell you, I remember peace and prosperity, I recognize it when I see it, I see it now, and it is glorious and long overdue and hard-earned, and the guy who deserves the most credit for delivering it — all I can say is God bless his style, and goddamn the hysterics trying to gaslight me into caring about anything other than the substance his style delivers. I will reserve any final judgement on Heir Drumph if you can get Stephen Boydstun to come on in here and extol El Presidente’s virtues. ...and they actually match your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 15 hours ago, Jules Troy said: I will reserve any final judgement on Heir Drumph if you can get Stephen Boydstun to come on in here and extol El Presidente’s virtues. ...and they actually match your own. You'll be waiting for hell to freeze over (iow), therefore better to make your judgments - if understandably tentative for now. I think his "virtues", as such, are shown in the results of his doings. Where there are created values by someone, there exists a degree of virtue in that person. And one can't doubt his resolve and courage to go on, faced by ongoing 'enemy fire': personal threats, slander, obstacles, outright sabotage, etc.. Without which, he could accomplish far further, and more openly/honestly, who can doubt. But I don't come here to extol the President domestically, I get a rather more overseas view. I mention the obvious, he's shaken up the established world order - an altruist-moral status quo which needed rattling-opposing, for once. Don't know about you, but way back to my teens, I was always puzzled by America's attitude to the blatant presumption by other countries that the USA must always step forward, lead the way, carry the can, be the convenient whipping boy, and pay in hard cash and in its own lives - for transgressions and failures by other countries. It has been as if Americans felt it was their moral obligation, for being somehow, mystically, 'blessed to be better', and had guiltily accepted a duty to the rest of the world. For many abroad, since strength apparently comes effortlessly to those Americans (the USA, a "metaphysically given" in effect), the attitude is "they owe us" -- stupidly simple as that sounds. My good guess is Trump knows all about it, if not quite philosophically, and has been giving clear notice he's no longer automatically surrendering his country to this expectancy, thereby sending shock waves abroad, as at home, amongst the sacrificers/self-sacrificers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Jules Troy said: I will reserve any final judgement on Heir Drumph if you can get Stephen Boydstun to come on in here and extol El Presidente’s virtues. Jules, What an odd condition. Stephen hates President Trump from what I can tell. I don't understand his hatred, but I see it exists. I doubt argument, rational or otherwise, will affect it. But it's his right to feel it. Just like it's my right to admire Trump. Stephen's not alone, either. There are many good and intelligent people who hate President Trump. They march to a drummer I don't hear. Stephen knows he's always welcome on OL. Whatever he does that's good for him is good for OL. I simply want to see him flourish according to his own standards and be happy. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) On 9/9/2018 at 9:23 AM, william.scherk said: Trump-watchers can take advantage of an 'everything Trump' website within factba.se. This is -- not so remarkably -- a site cited by Q researchers and zealots. Here's a reason why I find it fascinating and useful -- you can search a huge database of terms and concepts via various media. This is a result of a search solely on videos -- their proprietary software selected out segments of videos to review: Edited September 13, 2018 by william.scherk Factba.se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 So..one of the most introspective rational and intelligent objectivists to ever walk the planet hates Trump. Kinda says something doesn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, Jules Troy said: So..one of the most introspective rational and intelligent objectivists to ever walk the planet hates Trump. Kinda says something doesn’t it? Jules, It sure does. Stephen voted for Obama. Proudly. He was very open about it. Wanna square that circle? btw - I told him at the time he mentioned it that this was his right. I said I disagreed with his choice, but that would not be any impediment to anything from my end. And it still isn't. You can confirm this with him if you like, or, hell, it's in some old thread somewhere right here on OL if you want to dig. He apparently felt differently when the situation reversed. But that's his right, too, and I am not complaining. Merely stating an obvious fact. (I mean that in the cognitive sense. Normative-wise, in my evaluation, I have no opinion one way or another. He has a right to see the world differently than I do. That will lead him to act differently than I do. That's no biggie in my way of seeing things because nobody injured anybody. I don't even think there are any hard feelings, for that matter.) Any more implications you want to tease out? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Hey Jules, Stephen's a gentleman, a great intellect and the most incredibly knowledgeable scholar of philosophies (whom I have read, anyhow). He is not, last I heard, an Objectivist (if that makes a difference). Differing evaluations e.g. of Donald Trump, often come down to having a different comprehensive world-view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 True and true. Thhhthings to ponder. Some days I like some of the things he does, other days I scratch my head and think wtf was he thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Another OLer that doesn't post here anymore was a trained psychologist and said Trump was a narcissist... so I'm not sure how much that had to do with a "different comprehensive world-view". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Jules, What an odd condition. Stephen hates President Trump from what I can tell. I don't understand his hatred, but I see it exists. I doubt argument, rational or otherwise, will affect it. But it's his right to feel it. Just like it's my right to admire Trump. Stephen's not alone, either. There are many good and intelligent people who hate President Trump. They march to a drummer I don't hear. Stephen knows he's always welcome on OL. Whatever he does that's good for him is good for OL. I simply want to see him flourish according to his own standards and be happy. Michael The anti-intellectualism of Donald Trump must be a huge turnoff to someone with Stephen's highly refined sensibilities. --Brant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said: The anti-intellectualism of Donald Trump must be a huge turnoff to someone with Stephen's highly refined sensibilities. --Brant I think he is so intellectual , it’s like it’s Plato’s Allegory of the Cave , he is out and most folks are still dwelling at the bottom somewhere . Inteleectually speaking . I dinner with Barbara Branden many tines but this one time , it was with Nathaniel and his beautiful and liovely wife Leigh . My daughters were there and a few other people too and done kid from Harvard . Anyway , point being , an incredible night of intellectual conversations . I bet you Trump has Shabbos dinners just like this and I’m willing to bet , that most all y’all really would not believe it if you were even invited . He probably would invite some of you too ,because he is real and he is not afraid of rational debate . Bet you he would even teach you guys so e things around Rand from a different perspective BOOYAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 9:50 AM, Marc said: After 8 years of Trump , it will probably be another 8 years of Trump ! Ivanka !!!!!!!! just do me a solid my man, and when it’s built , come here , and give the man credit ! I will do the same if you’re correct !! Egads! With Jared as First Mate? Muh Russians v2.0 Seriously though, I don't have a judgment on Ivanka. If she would run for President at some point it would make for an interesting time in history, in my opinion. There have been father/son Presidents, to have a father/daughter dynasty could potentially be great for history. If she wants to build the wall that her father couldn't build, then I'm out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Build that wall! And Mexico will pay for it! Wait no, make Americans pay for it! Wait no, we don't need a wall, pay Mexico to deport their own immigrants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 5/7/2018 at 8:38 AM, Jon Letendre said: Now we see President Trump speaking plainly and publically about Skull and Bonesman John Kerry’s countless Logan Act violations and treason. Not a good sign for traitor Kerry. Here’s a quick tip: As with “my button is bigger and mine works,” by the time our beloved President taunt-Tweets a fellow statesman he has long had the matter resolved, to his favor and liking. What follows now, just as with big button, is theater, not really live or real action. Weeks of it. Even a few months. And then Kerry will either die or disappear or get arrested. Watch. The United States does not need John Kerry’s possibly illegal Shadow Diplomacy on the very badly negotiated Iran Deal. He was the one that created this MESS in the first place! 8:08 AM · May 7, 2018 John Kerry had illegal meetings with the very hostile Iranian Regime, which can only serve to undercut our great work to the detriment of the American people. He told them to wait out the Trump Administration! Was he registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act? BAD! 7:10 PM · Sep 13, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Do not ever question or criticize anyone in the media. Ever. It is dangerous! https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/amazons-bezos-commets-on-trump-criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 On 9/14/2018 at 2:06 AM, KorbenDallas said: Another OLer that doesn't post here anymore was a trained psychologist and said Trump was a narcissist... so I'm not sure how much that had to do with a "different comprehensive world-view". Merely, I was indicating to Jules that it can be possible to sometimes make opposing value-judgments to those made by top-flight intellectuals. I think each of us inductively comes to his individual "world-view", by an enormous amount of integrations from his experience and thinking, the goal of course being the grasp of reality and human nature. More critically, one's evaluations of the facts on the ground, especially political issues/policies, and more especially the difficulty of assessing an individual (here a political leader, and his words, acts, character, motivations) can make for different conclusions also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 My feeling is narcissism is poorly understood, much too often diagnosed lately. It might be used as a smear tactic against anyone who is considered too extroverted, brash, assertive or - "selfish". I have strongest doubts about President Trump's oft-called narcissism. But the neurosis is true to some. I once had occasion to research the condition (painful story involving a woman), and if I recall right, there is a craving common to such people involving getting their "Narcissistic Supply"- from anyone and everyone. Most often the prominent quality they have is a potent charm, like a powerful lamp which they can switch on for the fortunate recipient, then arbitrarily remove, holding one in their thrall for a long time. It is as if they create an addiction for their approval. Seldom, are they crass, blunt or plain-spoken, it is their suave, empathic outward demeanor which finds and attracts to them a constant, fresh "supply" of general adoration from people around them. No, I wouldn't say this of the President who reacts spontaneously, almost guilelessly (who can tell if/when he's deliberately sowing confusion in his opponents?) and without overmuch charm. However, I have suspicions of one or two others' narcissist traits... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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