KorbenDallas

Is this what the Eisenhower reference is?: Apologies, but I am not deriving the inference that he was talking about a "Deep State".

This whole thing looks very suspicious I mean why was the thread marked for deletion but was never deleted?!? This is too coincidental to be coincidence there has to be logic behind it---and it was the Avian Order! Wake up people! They are infiltrating all areas where logic exists, all areas of the Internet, and yes---even this forum!!!! The Avian Order does not like it when you use your mind----they do not want you to see what was in the actual post---they infiltrated the forum and removed the content from the very post itself! It's right there in plain sight! Don't be blind to their machinations! These guys are sickos and will go to great lengths to stop you from using your mind!!! They are evil and they want you blind while they rule every facet of your life you hold dear!!! We can't let them get away with this we have to uncover more of this conspiracy before they do more damage. I'm sick of this crap!! You think things are bad now? You haven't seen anything yet. You must take action and join me in uncovering this vast conspiracy it's worse than we could have ever imagined!! Together we can stop the Avian Order!! Stop the Avian Order---now!!

And speaking of Thanksgiving, who still thinks that this is not an Avian Order holiday?! Millions of birds are needlessly slaughtered and brought to the table to feast on while millions of people still think it's about giving thanks for all that is good----when what it's really about is The Avian Order celebrating its world domination!! People need to wake up to this monstrosity! Did we see any remorse in Sarah Palin's eyes when a turkey was meeting it's demise while on live television?: ---No, because she is part of The Avian Order and she is evil! I bet she has connections with the Koch Brothers! And do we still think that all birds are actually pardoned by Avian Order US Presidents and then don't get slaughtered later? Like I said before, George W Bush is part of The Avian Order and here is a picture of a wise turkey that is part of The Resistance----this photo was snapped just milliseconds before said bird's beak made targeted and successful contact with the President's... ermm..... It is still unclear whether this bird survived this attack on the President, but we need to wake up people! Everything is in plain sight----you just have to look! #justiceforthomas #teampigeon #stoptheavianorder The Resistance has begun!

Pigeons are absolute everyday heroes in this shadow war between The Avian Order and The Resistance. When The Avian Order succeeds in destroying nesting birds' environments and erecting huge buildings---pigeons are the ones that sit atop them, roost, and basically piss off The Avian Order for not being able to kill all birds. Yes, you heard that right, pigeons are the everyday foot soldiers in this shadow war, and they should be appreciated for the heroes that they are!! An example in entertainment is the movie Valiant, a 2005 GGI movie involving pigeons fighting in D-Day. This is an example of a counter-propaganda technique that The Resistance sometimes uses in the shadow war against The Avian Order. In the movie, the pigeons are shown to be the heroes that they really are in real life, and the war aspects prepares children for the upcoming Resistance Movement that is gaining more traction everyday, something these children will absolutely have to face when they are older as adults. It's strange to me that someone would be against pigeons---does that mean that they are actually part of The Avian Order? Oh no! I hope not! I, for one, support pigeons and their service! #teampigeon

Hitler and The Avian Order:

I needed to include this here in the conspiracy thread, over in the Donald Trump thread I uncovered a conspiracy against Thomas the Goose, but this was only the tip of the iceberg: That goose did not die of natural causes! The Wellington Bird Rehabilitation Trust where Thomas died accepts funding from the Koch Brothers! See here: New Filings Show Koch Brothers Give Millions To Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Groups. Thomas did not die of natural causes---he was slaughtered for getting too much press coverage!!! And nobody else is outraged by this!?!? #justiceforthomas I did some more digging surrounding the Thomas the Goose murder, and what I uncovered was a conspiracy and coverup much bigger and wider than anyone could have ever imagined. It turns out the Koch Brothers are part of a much larger group responsible for many of our world's problems today, a clandestine group called: The Avian Order. These people have money and power----and they are sick fucks, twisted individuals and evil, and they do not want their existence to be found. But I've done it, I pieced it together, and good Lord I hope they never find me. For decades The Avian Order has influenced policy, and even attempted a plague, but their beginnings date much further back, and originally they were benevolent. Centuries ago, man looked to the sky and was inspired by birds. The freedom they possessed, their grace, their efficiency in travel. As time went on, pockets of civilization allowed for division of labor---and thus more time for human thought. Men that were inspired by bird flight gathered to figure out how they could do the same, and after several meetings they decided call their group The Avian Order. Their purpose was to use knowledge and creativity to lift man off his heavy feet and make him soar in the skies like the birds---but there was only one problem: after a decade of progress, including now in major civilization centers around the world, some men were actually becoming jealous of bird flight, by the fact that the birds can fly unassisted while man cannot. This created a deep hatred for all birds in these men, but they hid their true intentions through the centuries while the honest, noble development of aviation continued. Research and development cost money, and eventually the men in power of The Avian Order were part of the ruling class, jealous of their condition of being man and not having wings of their own. While the honest scientists and inventors kept working on the problem of flight, the men with the power and money began exacting their hatred deforesting lands and exacting mass genocide of birds during the industrial revolution. It was around this time that there was a shift in The Avian Order's purpose: the men in power wanted flight invented for mankind because they believed man was the superior animal---not birds---and they wanted all birds to die so that true animal flight could only be done by man. The Wright Brothers knew this. The Wright Brothers were part of the resistance, and they had hoped that if they could invent sustainable flight, the genocidal intentions of the evil hearts in power of The Avian Order would subside when they experience the weightless revelation of flight itself. But of course, we know today that that did not transpire because The Avian Order has power over all mankind and rules without the majority of mankind knowing about it. It was the product of the industrial revolution that allowed the ruling class Avian Order fucks to take control of a new marketplace: aircraft manufacturing and commercial flight. This only allowed them to gain more power---and they began exacting their influence into politics, mind programming in media and entertainment, and the destruction of the environment----and yes, you are right to think that the United States' two party system developed in response to a shadow war protecting the existence of birds on earth, it's The Avian Order that wants to kill them all and they have gained enormous power and influence to do it. Do you really think that the reason so many conservatives like "sport hunting" just for the sport of it? No, peace is in ornithology---these "sport hunter" fucks are part of The Avian Order and want to act out their sick tendencies by sanctioned murder of innocent birds. Yes, that's right---the reason conservatives are against animal rights is from Avian Order influence. The right is also against environmentalism---this is because of The Avian Order's influence to destroy every bird's natural habitat and render them extinct. The fucking killers. Do you think Global Warming is actually about the random pollution of several entities that is causing the problem? Think again. The pollution is expertly organized by the Avian Order, causing toxic air to birds to end all bird life as we know it. And that's not all. The Avian Order actually created the bird flu virus in a lab and unleashed it. This was an obvious attempt to create a new plague to repopulate the earth with people programmed with Avian Order ideology. We know that this failed, but that doesn't mean The Avian Order doesn't have complete influence over media and entertainment: Do you really think that Sesame Street's move from high ratings at PBS to low ratings at HBO was due to a business decision by some execs? No, not a chance. It was The Avian Order----they did not want our children to see Big Bird on screen and be inspired by birds. Twisted fuckers. And even earlier in the 1980s with the release of the popular Nintendo Entertainment System the console came packaged with Super Mario Brothers and: DUCK HUNT. Yes, that's right: Avian Order influence to program your kids to murder birds. And nobody even knows this is going on, yet our kids are being targeted! And today we still see it---the wildly popular game Angry Birds depicts innocent birds being viciously thrown at objects in nothing other than what can be described as sensationalized video game violence against birds. It's our youth at stake here, folks. China isn't immune to The Avian Order, either. The country has been murdering millions of birds as part of their "industrial revolution," yet what this really is about is covert control of The Avian Order pulling the strings behind the scenes under the guise of economic progress and enrichment of China's citizens. Yea, that's right-----make life better for their citizens by genocide of billions of birds, but once The Avian Order gets enough power they will turn on the citizens and try to start a plague like they did with the Bird Flu. So who are the members of the Avian Order? Like I said before, the Koch Brothers are, and poor Thomas the Goose got taken out as part of a larger, multi-ideological hit job. Here is more proof of the Koch Brothers being anti-bird: This Goofy Bird Just Defeated The Koch Brothers Undermining protection for migratory birds But some if its most prominent members don't hide in the shadows anymore, they hide in plain sight. If you're smart you can tell if it's a sick Avian Order fuck because they like to take public pictures with birds, fucking murderers: Reagan: George HW Bush: George W Bush: That's right, US PRESIDENTS ARE PART OF THE AVIAN ORDER. Just looking at them makes me sick to my stomach. Makes me want to go out and do something---all of these men are connected with the Koch Brothers, and here they are evilly taking PUBLIC PHOTOGRAPHS as part of virtue signaling and outright bragging about destroying America, the environment---the world, your children, and their genocide against all birds. This is the brazen symbolism of The Avian Order at work here... And you think these are the only recent US Presidents that are part of The Avian Order? Think again: But here is proof that the resistance has already begun! These birds know the truth! Watch this evil Avian Order businessman get attacked by the resistance: Look at this Avian Order college student, the video starts out by him feeding the birds in an apparent display of kindness, but 30 seconds into the video the birds knew the evil truth and they attacked both him and his girlfriend---proof both of them are part of the evil Avian Order: And in this video you can see that these swans are part of the resistance because they are identifying members of The Avian Order in a park, and subsequently attacking them for their horrific crimes! Go for the eyes! So wake up people! The media is lying to you, Thomas the Goose did not die of natural causes, that story was planted by members of the The Avian Order. Thomas the Goose was a hero! Don't let his blood be spilled in vain! The Avian Order has compromised your government! The Avian Order is destroying your environment! The Avian Order has control over your media! The Avian Order controls big business and regulation! The Avian Order is programming your children through entertainment for Christ's sake! The Avian Order shows no signs of stopping----or being discovered! You must do something----now!!! Save all of humanity and protect our future generations from this evil! The time is now! #justiceforthomas #stoptheavianorder

That goose did not die of natural causes! The Wellington Bird Rehabilitation Trust where Thomas died accepts funding from the Koch Brothers! See here: New Filings Show Koch Brothers Give Millions To Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Groups. Thomas did not die of natural causes---he was slaughtered for getting too much press coverage!!! And nobody else is outraged by this!?!? #justiceforthomas

"The Vigilante" = fiction PizzaGate = fiction

Seth Meyer's jokes of the week:

Ancient Alien Technology: https://www.theancientaliens.com/technology--quimbaya-airplanes ALIEN TECHNOLOGY: Quimbaya (Tolima) Airplanes The Quimbaya Airplanes (or Tolima Airplanes) are golden artifacts, found in Colombia and made by the Quimbaya civilization. Dated between 1000 B.C.-1000 A.D., many represent modern airplane designs and are considered to be out-of-place and unexplainable artifacts. The models, measuring 2 to 3 inches (5 to 7.5 cm) each, are described in mainstream archaeology as depicting birds, lizards, amphibians and insects common in that region. Many are still on display in the Museum, Bogotá. What makes these airplane models so amazing is that they are aerodynamically accurate. In 1994, German aeronautical engineers Peter Belting and Conrad Lubbers created larger scale radio-controlled models of these artifacts. They proved that the designs fly with both simple single-propeller power and jet power. The astonishing reality of these artifacts sets in when one considers that mechanical flight had not been invented until the Wright Brothers flights in 1903. How then, could the pre-Columbians of 1000 B.C., understand the advanced concepts of aerodynamic lift and design? [...] Collection of winged creatures from pre-Columbian era. Notice how, in every case, there are clearly wings, rear stabalizers and rudders. Every example follows the same aerodynamics used by today's airplanes. Were these early people capturing the animalistic essence of flying machines used in their time? What other possible reason could there be for such accurate depictions of flight engineering in the 5th-10th century? [...] Here is a video of one of these artifacts having a modern day model and test flight: Not exactly a conspiracy, but interesting.

Korben, We obviously disagree. As to evidence, this is a discussion board, not a court of law. In discussions like we run here on OL, connecting dots is a part of the process. At the start of dot-connecting, there almost never is any evidence in the manner you keep demanding. On any issue. That comes after investigations. But investigations only come after dot-connecting. For example, when people started connecting dots about Trump being propped up by Russia, I don't recall you, personally, demanding evidence. You seemed fine with the dot-connecting back then. When a special counsel was appointed to investigate Russia propping up Trump, I don't recall any complaint from your end. After all, we needed to uncover the facts, right? What could be wrong with that? Now, after two years of very expensive investigation and still nada, I still don't recall you ever complaining. The point is that President Trump is a big boy and he took the investigation process on the chin like a man. And you did not deem the pain in the neck this caused everyone worthy of mention. But you don't want Schiff to be subject to the same treatment now that dots are being connected? Why? Neither Trump or Schiff really concern me. What caught my interest was a claim being made that Schiff was a probably a ruling class pedophile with nothing to go on. No dots to connect, no logical inference, no circumstantial evidence, no facts that can even lead to circumstantial evidence being possible, yet the claim was made here on OL that Schiff was probably a ruling class pedophile. I don't get it, so yes we disagree!

Korben, You're the one who posted a video showing some of the speculation. ... The claim was that Schiff was probably a ruling class pedophile, so where is the evidence to say there is probability? I posted the video asking if the evidence was in the video, but now according to the latest response there is only speculation; speculation is not probability in my book. I listened to the logic of their argument, but there wasn't any logic to it. And there wasn't any evidence. I came to the conclusion they were forming a conspiracy. Are they insane? They need to use logic. If you called a law enforcement they would not look into the claim that Schiff is probably a pedophile based off a conspiracy theory. There are facts of reality in the video, but they are not connected. Respectfully, no way am I going to "just see what happens"!! There is no evidence to even form such a speculation!! But I have to ask---who are the important people that are looking into this, can you name one? It's tantamount to character assassination. I might not agree with Schiff, but launching a conspiracy theory that he probably/speculatively is a pedophile is a clear attack against his character, without any evidence to base it on.

Okay, but I still don't see how the conclusion was made that Schiff was probably a ruling class pedophile.

I worked around law enforcement for several years and in my experience they were very motivated to go after pedophiles. I was not an officer, yet I worked in a support position. This was at the local level, and I can say the state FBI was involved in their own cases as well. I can say that in my experience the law enforcement and judicial system were very interested and motivated to go after the criminals and they were effective as well. It was my impression that it was like this nationwide.

Appeal to Emotion: Children https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion#Children Children Children are more often than not toddled out as an appeal to emotion. From pictures of starving children to motivate people to give to charity to using them as any excuse to ban things that children shouldn't even be aware of (porn, for example), they are repeatedly paraded in front of audiences to appeal to their emotional protective instincts, often overriding anyone's sense of rationality. "For the children" or "think of the children" as emotional appeals have been used with success in passing political motions such as Proposition Hate in California. More recently, conservatives have been pushing anti-trans bathroom laws, ostensibly to protect children from trans people (cis people never ever molest childrenDo You Believe That?). One case of a bill titled specifically for this emotional appeal is the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011, which would require ISPs to store and provide the government with backlogs of every user's online activity on demand. By titling it that way, it makes it easy to claim opponents are in favor of child pornography even if they're talking about the privacy implications and 200 million dollar burden it imposes on private ISPs.

Is this what is being considered as evidence for Schiff?

Funny Guiliani!

You tell 'em Bill!

JFK's degree of rationality isn't in the same category as an Alex Jones or a David Seaman.