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Reading lists, go-to books, Amazon wishes, new on the block editions: MSK and William's recommended books about conspiracy theories ... make perfect Judeo-Christmas non-altruistic gifts! 'Tis the Season (of Reason). From the blurb of Suspicious Minds:

"We’re all conspiracy theorists. Some of us just hide it better than others.

Conspiracy theorists do not wear tin-foil hats (for the most part). They are not just a few kooks lurking on the paranoid fringes of society with bizarre ideas about shape-shifting reptilian aliens running society in secret. They walk among us. They are us. Everyone loves a good conspiracy. Yet conspiracy theories are not a recent invention. And they are not always a harmless curiosity. In Suspicious Minds, Rob Brotherton explores the history and consequences of conspiracism, and delves into the research that offers insights into why so many of us are drawn to implausible, unproven and un-provable conspiracy theories. They resonate with some of our brain’s built-in quirks and foibles, and tap into some of our deepest desires, fears, and assumptions about the world."

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Reading: "Suspicious Minds: Why We Believe Conspiracy Theories"


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I want to recommend a book I just started reading last night: "Suspicious Minds," by Rob Brotherton. As is usual, I read first the chapter that stuck out -- Chapter 5, The Paranoid Fringe. It takes a useful critical look at the seminal article by Richard Hofstadter -- "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" -- and also runs to ground a plausible origin of 'tinfoil hats.' 

The book is written in a wry conversational tone, and is not on the surface a ''scholarly" read thick with endless footnotes, but it also contains a very useful reference list by page number -- as well as a full index at the back.  (My copy is from our local library, but I am going to order it from Amazon so I always have it on hand as a reference book.)

Here is an excerpt from the first page that might whet OLer's appetite for more ...

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In a fit of recursion, I include this bit of commentary from earlier this month. It suggests that I am bound by ingrained prejudice/s, which may or may not be true ... yet leaves the door open to further friendly discussion.

On 10/15/2017 at 1:12 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

For those who still don't know how to process conspiracy theorists, I left the following comment over at William's blog the other day (see here). He didn't agree that it was a valid approach (it's hard to let go of a prejudice once ingrained :) ), but that is the way listening to conspiracy theorists works with people like me. And from the looks of things, it works that way with a shit-ton of people all over America.

-- for those who like to check out reviews before purchasing or borrowing from a library, here's a selection -- which I thought remarkable. Remarkable in the sense of "how many reviews do not mention Donald Trump?"

New York Times review by Adrian Chen
Inside Higher Education review by Scott McLemee
Brief Scientific American review by Maria Temming

-- for the benefit of Dear Leader, I found the book is available at his local library too!

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Little Traitor, Adam Shit.
It’s not good for you at all when President Trump casually Tweets about the crimes that will be sending you to prison, describing you as someone who is “right up there” with people who are going to be hanged.
Not looking good for Little Shit.
 
Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!
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[Editor's note:  Jon did not supply a reference for his image.  Here it is discussed at Wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols. See the original PDF as WL-published:
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf.  The document, verified by Wikileaks, was ostensibly an intelligence bulletin produced by the FBI's Cyber Division -- from the Innocent Images National Initiative. /wss]

 

Law enforcement, in Little Shit’s district:

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Symbols, according to FBI:

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“Low threshold for fun,” fuck you, William.

It makes me sick that my country and the world is infested with so much of this filth.

And you too are starting to make me sick.

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On 05/02/2018 at 4:04 PM, Jon Letendre said:

The FBI says it means “boy lover,” William. Not man-boy love. “Boy lover”

I thought folks might get the reference to NAMBLA -- North American Man-Boy Love Association. It didn't occur to me that the representative's ring is clear evidence of 'boy lover' -- in the sense of a general "Ladies (and men) want to have sex with young boys." Thanks for the clarification slash gotcha. 

One of the creepiest stories I read about pedophilia (in the clinical sense not 'general public' Roy Moore sense) involved a man who who in midlife began to exhibit hallmark signs of pedophilia, among which acquiring child pornography, and exhibiting urges to molest young children. He lost his home and family and was convicted for a crime involving young children. 

Then, on the eve of psychiatric confinement/gaol, he complained of balance problems. Medical inquiry revealed a brain tumour, which was removed. Upon the removal, his urges and sexualized behaviour ceased ...

Then, not too long later, the sexual compulsion returned ... along with a resurgent tumour ... again resolved by removing tumour growth.  Read a short bland article from New Scientist with a bit more detail.

One of the things that struck me in reading this tale and related research was that a significant percentage of 'pure' pedophiles are essentially 'open' or 'bisexual' in the gender of sexual object choice: it doesn't matter to them whether the toddler is male of female, the attraction is to the prepubescent body. 

Creepy and beyond.  Which may go a way to explain why a 'boy-lover' symbol suggests a foul group like NAMBLA -- adult males attracted to boys just above the age of puberty but below the age of majority.

-- back to the subject of the triangle/paperclip symbol, the FBI intel bulletin did not include details of where the bureau had discovered the man-boy-lover symbol, nor give statistical information about where the use of the symbol was common (ie, the dark web).

So the congresswoman has a triangle/paperclip Sign Of Zog on her zirconium ring, evidently.

It takes a certain daring leap of cognition to presume that no appearance of this symbol should be confused with a "normal" use.  I mean, let's say me and the old lady go to find a triangle/paperclip ring. The old lady knows nothing about the FBI bulletin, but loves her some triangles. 

The moment the ring goes on her finger and a photograph is taken, does this turn her into a 'boy-lover'?  

In other words, the symbol will likely be found outside of the particular sick sub-sub-group venues and environs. It has a "normal use" -- and discerning the difference between normal and NAMBLA-ish use is probably important in the search for verifiable knowledge. 

 

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WSS offers Jon Letendre ... an audio response.

4 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

“Low threshold for fun,” fuck you, William.

It makes me sick that my country and the world is infested with so much of this filth.

And you too are starting to make me sick.

 

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The lamentable death toll in Parkland Florida is dominating US news coverage today, as it did yesterday. Also dominating demi-media and the various hoopla vendors (link to massive page of items at Memeorandum.com).

In my continuing education about our Suspicious Minds, I checked with my favourite conspiracy theorist of the week, Jordan Sather. He has -- surprise surprise -- concluded that the shooting was a so-called "false flag."

 

A good time to repost that consumer's caution from WNYC?

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Look out for "Milkshake Ladies" ... and other unnamed, unidentified sources such as featured in the Vimeo video referenced by Jordan.

A small excerpt from Memeoradum.com this moment:

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No, there haven't been 18 school shootings in 2018.  That number is flat wrong. … The stunning number swept across the Internet within minutes of the news Wednesday that, yet again, another young man with another semi-automatic rifle had rampaged through a school, this time at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in South Florida.
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The N.R.A. Can Be Beat  —  It's time to vote the gun lobby out of office.  —  Parents throughout the country live with the dread that the next lockdown at their child's school won't be a drill and that screams like those we heard on cellphones from classrooms at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School …

 

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People think the FBI finds people who mean harm, but they really do not.

The primary business of the FBI is the creation of terrorists. They find good candidates, groom them, provide them with what they need, and then arrest them when enough exists for a case, but before they commit. And then they tell us how they prevented X attacks so far this year. The FBI is a criminal gang. Parkland looks exactly like all the other “attacks” they have arranged. Intentionally or not, this one went all the way. We will not be safe until the FBI is disbanded.

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Le Heavy Sigh. Snatched from the jaws of Google:

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RED ALERT! Evidence Mounts Florida Attacks Is A Giant False Flag ...

19 hours ago - Uploaded by The Alex Jones Channel
The Alex Jones Channel. ... Jalen Martin, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland ...
 

Another False Flag Shooting in Florida? - henrymakow.com

14 hours ago - (left, you know it's a drill when they do this.) Merit Freeman lists the reasons he believes this. is another psy op initiated by the Deep State. to disarm the American people. by Merit Freeman. (henrymakow.com). Parkland, Florida False Flag School Shooting. The incident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High ...

Rampage: 17 Dead At Florida High School Following Shooting » Alex ...

2 days ago - WARNING GRAPHIC: Inside Stoneman Douglas High School, #Parkland FloridaShooting. Let this sink in and tell me it's not time .... (Remember, a false flag does not mean it did not happen, it means that the arranged situation is made to look like someone else did it). Guest • 13 minutes ago. Why Expect ...

Alex Jones: Florida school shooting was “the perfect false flag”: “A ...

21 hours ago - ALEX JONES (HOST): Wow, we said the perfect false flag would be a white nationalist attacking a multicultural school as a way to make the leftists all look like victims and bring in gun control and a war on America's recovery and now right on time what we've been warning of, their main card, the thing we ...

David Icke | Florida High School Shooting

1 day ago - Was Parkland, Florida the latest one, something other than what's being reported? According to #false flag, the Parkland school “had active shooter training” before the incident. A drill was conducted Wednesday morning - before the shootings occurred. A coincidence or something more sinister? On 9/11 ...

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At approximately 2:40 pm EST on February 14, 2018, a shooting occurred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. ... Just work scuttlebutt and not something I'm finding online, but I heard a weird flip on the false flag norm: every major shooting is followed by a surge in gun and ammo sales and ...

 

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It's Upside Down Reason Day at Objectivist Living, at least for one member. Objectivism, anyone?

8 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

˙pǝpuɐqsᴉp sᴉ IqℲ ǝɥʇ lᴉʇun ǝɟɐs ǝq ʇou llᴉʍ ǝM ˙ʎɐʍ ǝɥʇ llɐ ʇuǝʍ ǝuo sᴉɥʇ 'ʇou ɹo ʎllɐuoᴉʇuǝʇuI ˙pǝƃuɐɹɹɐ ǝʌɐɥ ʎǝɥʇ ”sʞɔɐʇʇɐ“ ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ llɐ ǝʞᴉl ʎlʇɔɐxǝ sʞool puɐlʞɹɐԀ ˙ƃuɐƃ lɐuᴉɯᴉɹɔ ɐ sᴉ IqℲ ǝɥ┴ ˙ɹɐǝʎ sᴉɥʇ ɹɐɟ os sʞɔɐʇʇɐ X pǝʇuǝʌǝɹd ʎǝɥʇ ʍoɥ sn llǝʇ ʎǝɥʇ uǝɥʇ pu∀ ˙ʇᴉɯɯoɔ ʎǝɥʇ ǝɹoɟǝq ʇnq 'ǝsɐɔ ɐ ɹoɟ sʇsᴉxǝ ɥƃnouǝ uǝɥʍ ɯǝɥʇ ʇsǝɹɹɐ uǝɥʇ puɐ 'pǝǝu ʎǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ ɥʇᴉʍ ɯǝɥʇ ǝpᴉʌoɹd 'ɯǝɥʇ ɯooɹƃ 'sǝʇɐpᴉpuɐɔ pooƃ puᴉɟ ʎǝɥ┴ ˙sʇsᴉɹoɹɹǝʇ ɟo uoᴉʇɐǝɹɔ ǝɥʇ sᴉ IqℲ ǝɥʇ ɟo ssǝuᴉsnq ʎɹɐɯᴉɹd ǝɥ┴

˙ʇou op ʎllɐǝɹ ʎǝɥʇ ʇnq 'ɯɹɐɥ uɐǝɯ oɥʍ ǝldoǝd spuᴉɟ IqℲ ǝɥʇ ʞuᴉɥʇ ǝldoǝԀ

¿ʍouʞ I op ʇɐɥʍ ʇnq ˙ɐᴉouɐɹɐd ƃuᴉʌɐɹ ǝʞᴉl sɯǝǝs ʇᴉ ǝɔuɐlƃ ʇsɹᴉɟ ʇ∀ ˙ǝɹǝɥ ʇuǝɯnƃɹɐ ɹnoʎ puɐdxǝ oʇ ʎɹʇ uɐɔ noʎ ǝqʎɐɯ '(ǝʌoqɐ) noʎ ƃuᴉssǝɹppɐ ʎlʇɔǝɹᴉp ǝlᴉɟ ƐԀW ǝɥʇ oʇ puodsǝɹ oʇ ɥsᴉʍ ʇ,uop noʎ ɟI ˙uoſ 'ʎʇᴉlɐǝɹ uo dᴉɹƃ ɹnoʎ ʇsol ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ʇɔǝdsns I

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13 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

It's Upside Down Reason Day at Objectivist Living, at least for one member. Objectivism, anyone?

¿ʍouʞ I op ʇɐɥʍ ʇnq ˙ɐᴉouɐɹɐd ƃuᴉʌɐɹ ǝʞᴉl sɯǝǝs ʇᴉ ǝɔuɐlƃ ʇsɹᴉɟ ʇ∀ ˙ǝɹǝɥ ʇuǝɯnƃɹɐ ɹnoʎ puɐdxǝ oʇ ʎɹʇ uɐɔ noʎ ǝqʎɐɯ '(ǝʌoqɐ) noʎ ƃuᴉssǝɹppɐ ʎlʇɔǝɹᴉp ǝlᴉɟ ƐԀW ǝɥʇ oʇ puodsǝɹ oʇ ɥsᴉʍ ʇ,uop noʎ ɟI ˙uoſ 'ʎʇᴉlɐǝɹ uo dᴉɹƃ ɹnoʎ ʇsol ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ʇɔǝdsns I

Nothing is upside down, just some facts about how the FBI does business, what its actual business model is.

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Disagreement!

17 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said:

Nothing is upside down

From Mick West at Metabunk:

A tragic event, with echos of both Columbine and Sandy Hook. It's certain to be portrayed as a "false flag" distraction by the usual suspects. Infowars is already talking about a "cover up" with some random observations. 
https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/
 

 

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The FBI knew the Boston bombing culprits, also. Russian intelligence had tipped off the FBI about them. But nothing was done because the FBI doesn’t “do” anything in such a case except continue grooming their terrorist.

Its what they do.

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Rush Limbaugh said nobody should come down too hard on the FBI for missing the Florida school shooter. They are spread too thin.

 

Back Off the FBI! They’re Busy Investigating Trump

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So he [YouTube vlogger Ben Bennight] gave them the actual name of the guy who posted the comment — the promise, the threat — to do this, Nikolas Cruz, white Hispanic. And the FBI didn’t do anything with it. So Bennight here, the guy you heard on the audio, said, “I don’t know what the FBI has to do to track down real identities. First they’d call YouTube and then YouTube would have to divulge the privacy of whoever sent the alerted and all of this,” but they still had the real name to go on. But, folks, we need to back off the FBI here just a little bit.

The FBI is really busy right now. They’re busy, I’m sure, tracking the entire Trump administration looking for additional sexual harassers. I mean, there may be as many as 4,000 of ’em in there they gotta track down. And then they’re still trying to corroborate the Steele dossier. And that’s a worldwide effort. So the FBI has spread its resources here very, very thin, and we’ve gotta keep that in mind.

. . .

So they were unable to identify the person that made the comment. Well, the person that claimed to be making the comment was Nikolas Cruz. The FBI here is saying they looked at all the databases and the checks. They were unable to further identify the person who made the comments. So it might not have actually been Cruz who made the comment. But they’re admitting they were warned, that somebody said they were gonna do this. They just couldn't track down who.

Folks, if you’re thinking about committing a crime and you want to evade capture, make sure you have no connection to the Trump dossier, and your odds of getting away with it are vastly enhanced, I would think. I’m saying that a bit in jest. But folks, look, they knew and they weren’t able to find the guy. They’ve been looking for two years for evidence to corroborate the Steele dossier, and they haven’t found anything there.

:) 

They simply don't have the manpower to look into threats about domestic US school shooting. They're too busy with other investigations that have a higher priority.

 

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In other conspiracy-related news, two of the Youtube  accounts I follow have been fuming with outrage at what they suggest is censorship.  David Seaman has had several videos pulled, and so has Jordan Sather.  A third 'newish' account I follow, Dustin Nemos, has also had a couple of videos removed.  The outrage that they evince is kind of funny/sad.  Since I downloaded and text-captured three of the offending videos, I know what was said in them, and can make a reasonable guess as to why Youtube removed them. 

This will be no surprise:  the subjects were the "Crisis Actors" who performed for the camera in Lakeland Florida. David Seaman was the worst and most irresponsible, but Jordan Sather came a close second: stating as truth that the teenagers were obviously employees of the Deep State ...

Did this directly lead to death threats against those folks and families named in the disgusting videos? Of course not, though the comments below the videos were festering with delusion, irrational rage, suggestions that bullets be placed in various heads ... 


If you have a taste for world-spanning conspiracies that comprise Rothschilds, George Soros, the New World Order, the Bush-Clinton crime families, the Globalist menace, Europe destroyed by immigration, devilish progressives, and so on, young Chad Boukzam of AMTV is happy to stand in front of a hedge and let you know "The Truth."

BREAKING! Donald Trump Warns Of DARK FORCES Controlling The World

Yah.

For those deeper into subterranean rabbit runs, a desperately shallow and incurious bout of bad reporting in this video from RT, starring the misinformation expert Lionel Nation:

Michael Flynn to Withdraw Guilty Plea After Judge Exposes Rampant and Putrid FBI and DOJ Corruption

Bonus track, from deeply hoojie-boojie anti-Cabalist "American Intelligence News" ... which wins the WSS Award for Kookery:

How Hillary Crashes Cars and Planes

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3 hours ago, william.scherk said:

David Seaman was the worst and most irresponsible

Sometime in the last 24 hours, David Seaman's Youtube account was removed. I still follow him on Gab.ai and his alternative venue Bitchute.  

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For those who don't have a Gab account, this is his latest posting, a screenshot from one of his alternate Twitter accounts (Fulcrum; see also Fulcrumnews.com for the full gen):

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Dustin Nemos is another Rabbitholed fuckhead on the subject of false-flag "Crisis Actors" noted above, with several recent videos affirming the kook-cult notion -- despite cautions. He received a strike notice, freaked out, received another warning, had videos removed for targeted harassment/bullying, and now ... is terminated. 

Seaman is apparently going to appear on Information Warfare tomorrow to detail the story of how he fucked himself over ... make sure you tune in if you like that kind of stuff.

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On 2/24/2018 at 3:49 PM, william.scherk said:

Seaman is apparently going to appear on Information Warfare tomorrow to detail the story of how he fucked himself over

DAVID SEAMAN SPEAKS OUT:; - ALEX JONES INFOWARS

See also: Infowars one strike away from YouTube ban

The number of people who cannot figure out the Youtube Community Guidelines grows. One of them, sadly, is Jordan Sather. His main channel was removed -- and he then put up a 'back-up' channel, thereby evading the termination ... 

One of the world's most accomplished conspiracy theorists, and Birther extraordinaire -- Jerome Corsi -- is also in a state of stunned incomprehension.

 

 

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William,

I don't have time to write about this right now (at least not in the manner it deserves), but there are hidden elements to all the things and people you are criticizing (explicitly and/or implicitly). Once you see them, for as much as you feel above and more rational than the yahoos and hicks, you can't unsee them.

Critics of these people think they are chucking spears, but they are tossing boomerangs. And this has nothing to do with the issues per se--it has more to do with the disintegrating gatekeeper class.

I will write more on this--probably in this thread--later.

Meanwhile, have fun. Some of the stuff these guys put out actually is out there. Not all, but some definitely.

:) 

Michael

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11 hours ago, william.scherk said:

The number of people who cannot figure out the Youtube Community Guidelines grows.

Incidentally, YouTube said, "Oops. Sorry about that." And is reinstating some deleted rightwing sites and videos. (This is already out there in the mainstream news. It's spun a bit, but the message is clearly "oops." Something to do with the new humans YouTube hired to enforce propaganda. :) Just look it up.)  

Apparently YouTube itself, not the rightwing users, cannot figure out its own guidelines. Especially when its hamhanded actions piss off huge audience segments.

:evil:  :) 

Michael

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11 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

YouTube said, "Oops. Sorry about that." And is reinstating some deleted rightwing sites and videos. (This is already out there in the mainstream news. It's spun a bit, but the message is clearly "oops." Something to do with the new humans YouTube hired to enforce propaganda. :) Just look it up.

Bloomberg published a part of an email from Youtube, which part has been making the rounds:

"As we work to hire rapidly and ramp up our policy enforcement teams throughout 2018, newer members may misapply some of our policies resulting in mistaken removals," a company spokeswoman said.

"We’re continuing to enforce our existing policies regarding harmful and dangerous content, they have not changed. We’ll reinstate any videos that were removed in error."

 

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Plot twist ... some of the "flagging" is coming from 'inside the house,' if these screenshots are accurate. IOW, racialist whitepower mutt Anglin is urging allies to attack less-hateful accounts, so that they will migrate to alternatives like D.tube.

 

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NB: Neo-Nazi crazypants material ahead ...

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
4 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Plot twist ... some of the "flagging" is coming from 'inside the house,' if these screenshots are accurate. IOW, racialist whitepower mutt Anglin is urging allies to attack less-hateful accounts, so that they will migrate to alternatives like D.tube.

Well, if a lady from Media Matters says so, it must be true.

Can this be translated from ironic questioning into a statement? Like this: If a lady from MMFA posts a screenshot, it must be faked (?)

Now, I don't believe that is what you meant.  I think/hope that what you meant was 'be suspicious,' check  for exaggeration, straight misreporting, corrupt contentions due to expectation bias, leapt-to-conclusions based on skimpy or ambivalent evidence, and so in. In other words, check first. Fact check. Check again.

My questions to you would be:  did you check Gab.ai or the Daily Stormer to see if the quote-shots were accurate? did you query the emfah lady about the particular claims?

Me, I didn't see any evidence on her timeline that shows White Power shitposter Anglin actually -- in so many words -- encouraged other neo-nazis to ratfuck accounts that aren't sufficiently Joo-obsessed. I will report back from my queries to her on that particular point. I did find the the Gab.ai exchange she posted in the screenshot, but it appears to me that the @CorporationCamp deleted the reply in which he or she said "I actually support Anglin's strategy of mass-reporting wankers like Sargon, Cernovich etc" ...

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Media Matters would never lie or make fake accounts.

MMFA is partisan, deeply so. Does that mean the person in question is a liar on this particular issue, by your lights? 


Going on the Daily Stormer site is not pleasant, if you are not a racialist or anti-Joo freak. I have to titrate my visits. I won't link directly to the stories I screenshot from below, but -- as you suggest here and there, Michael -- one can "look it up."

The most that I can say at this point is that Anglin has a few issues, among which are his belief that folks like Sargon and Alex Jones do not go far enough to poke the Joo, and so help usher in a white homeland for ugly pieces of shit like him and his goons.

Look away ...

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-- if you haven't been to Gab.ai, or DTube or Bitchute, they are all full of unusually stupid and hateful people. That Anglin said "I'm pro-censorship of medium-tier right-wing figures" can be seen as an encouragement to ratfuck them, as the kids say.  

But I will leave folks to make up their own minds about the details of the contretemps over banning/termination/strikes, ratfucking, Joo-hate, 'alt-tech' and other marvels of our age. We are all independent thinkers here, or so they say ...

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