Americans Weep in Joy at Obama's election

[kiaer.ts]

Living in Manhattan I can report that black people, even those who voted for McCain, to their own surprise, have been crying tears of joy tonight. One thing is obvious. People voted their hopes in this election. That should be celebrated. And people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be. That too is good news.

[Brant Gaede]

Living in Manhattan I can report that black people, even those who voted for McCain, to their own surprise, have been crying tears of joy tonight. One thing is obvious. People voted their hopes in this election. That should be celebrated. And people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be. That too is good news.

That should last about ten days. Not to denigrate it but it doesn't add up except psychologically.

--Brant

[Barbara Branden]

I, too, to my surprise, had tears in my eyes. Much as I dislike Obama, it is a wonderful thing that this much-maligned country of ours has progressed from slavery to the election of a black man to the highest office in the land. I looked at the tearfully smiling black faces in his audience, and I thought of what so many of them had suffered and what this must mean to them.

And listening to their hero speak -- not gloating, not triumphant, but gravely solemn -- I thought: "If he could be, always, who he is in this moment, we'd be alright .... "

Barbara

[Brant Gaede]

I, too, to my surprise, had tears in my eyes. Much as I dislike Obama, it is a wonderful thing that this much-maligned country of ours has progressed from slavery to the election of a black man to the highest office in the land. I looked at the tearfully smiling black faces in his audience, and I thought of what so many of them had suffered and what this must mean to them.

And listening to their hero speak -- not gloating, not triumphant, but gravely solemn -- I thought: "If he could be, always, who he is in this moment, we'd be alright .... "

Barbara

He's their hero because he's black. Without the Great Society of LBJ and all this victimhood because of racism and because I'm black there wouldn't be any need of this Barack Obama joy. Racism would have been substantially vitiated in this country decades ago and there wouldn't have been reverse racism black on black, "acting like whitey" or "Oreo." If whites have substantially given up racism then it is now time for blacks to do the same, except they won't if it means no more profit from victimhood courtesy of liberal media which demands victims and villians and financial and moral recompense. The blacks who weep for joy did not weep for joy when Clarence Thomas was confirmed for the Supreme Court. They do not celebrate Thomas Sowell. It was not black Obama it was an acceptable black named Obama. But I truely do hope this is going to be the end of this or there will be a race war and the blacks are outnumbered 10 to 1. The backlash would be racist, fascist and brutally bloody. I hope I'm living in another country. A country not targeted by an insane United States bent on vengeance for inchoate wrongs. The United States, after a big bloody nose, will become the most dangerous country in the world. I intend to be living in Thailand. The humidity be damned!

--Brant

[Chris Grieb]

While I did not vote for Obama I can understand the joy blacks and others feel.

Obama's election does speak well for the US and Americans.

[BaalChatzaf]

The United States, after a big bloody nose, will become the most dangerous country in the world. I intend to be living in Thailand. The humidity be damned!

--Brant

I am counting on it. It may require the effusion of blood to make the U.S. the Lean, Mean nation it should have been all along. Rome did not become great until it was nearly defeated by Carthage (Hanibal). Kick Ass America! I love it when we are nasty. Look what we did to Japan. In the end it worked out well for both us and the Japanese. In our righteous Wrath we purged and cleansed Germany of the disease from which it suffered. A nasty America is a great America.

Delenda Cartago est!

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Brant,

I don't know about a backlash, but I do know that blacks who have been playing the victim-of-racism-in-America card have just lost their moral gravy train.

I hope they like work. A government handout in the upcoming economy isn't going to go very far and they won't get more by hollering racism.

Since this is a loaded issue, let me emphasize that I am only speaking about blacks who play the racism card to obtain government benefits.

Michael

[kiaer.ts]

He's their hero because he's black. Without the Great Society of LBJ and all this victimhood because of racism and because I'm black there wouldn't be any need of this Barack Obama joy. Racism would have been substantially vitiated in this country decades ago and there wouldn't have been reverse racism black on black, "acting like whitey" or "Oreo." If whites have substantially given up racism then it is now time for blacks to do the same, except they won't if it means no more profit from victimhood courtesy of liberal media which demands victims and villians and financial and moral recompense. The blacks who weep for joy did not weep for joy when Clarence Thomas was confirmed for the Supreme Court. They do not celebrate Thomas Sowell. It was not black Obama it was an acceptable black named Obama. But I truely do hope this is going to be the end of this or there will be a race war and the blacks are outnumbered 10 to 1. The backlash would be racist, fascist and brutally bloody. I hope I'm living in another country. A country not targeted by an insane United States bent on vengeance for inchoate wrongs. The United States, after a big bloody nose, will become the most dangerous country in the world. I intend to be living in Thailand. The humidity be damned!

Um, the black people I saw weeping were doing so out of self affirmation, not out of a stick-it-to-whitey animus. How many black people have you discussed this with, Brant? It is not their fault that the first black president (a man whom I despise - but not for his color - which I barely notice) is a Marxist. I doubt 1 in 10 of his voters grasps the meaning of his ideology. As for Sowell and Thomas, neither was the first in their field. Thomas was most certainly appointed as a token, no matter how good he has turned out to be. Would you truly expect or hope that blacks would find his appointment, after Marshall, so self-affirming? I do see much pride, regardless of politics, in people like Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, and Morgan Freeman.

Of course all the bad things you warned about are bad things. But as someone who has lived and worked with almost only black people for two decades, I can assure you that your fears are projections and based mostly on the media portrayal of blacks.

Case in point. The noon news just got done interviewing blacks off the street, who, all but universally, saw this as a proof that "America is not racist" and that they can "achieve anything they want" - their own words. Only one woman ruined it - a school teacher. She wore red to work today "to signify power," and "white and black to signify unity." Save us from such loud rare fools.

[blackhorse]

This election was about white guilt, black racism, and America's turn to the left. I wholeheartedly agree with Brant; where was the celebration and tears of the black culture for Clarence Thomas?-Alan Keyes?-Thomas Sowell?-Walt Whitman? and countless others? The black culture has allowed victimization to dominate it, so when a leftist hack like Obama comes to the scene they think ,"great, a black man who is also going to identify with my victimization." I have ZERO respect for Obama's anti-life idea's and politics. Watching the crowd last night with tears in there eyes chanting "yes we can" (yes we can what?) to someone they clearly think of in terms of a saviour of sorts, made me sick to my stomach. It's apparent to me that this mob of people deem men worthy by what group they belong to instead of what honor and integrity of idea's that they have for liberty. Sick. Any rational thinker should be abhorred by last nights spectacle.

[kiaer.ts]

This election was about white guilt, black racism, and America's turn to the left. I wholeheartedly agree with Brant; where was the celebration and tears of the black culture for Clarence Thomas?-Alan Keyes?-Thomas Sowell?-Walt Whitman? and countless others? The black culture has allowed victimization to dominate it, so when a leftist hack like Obama comes to the scene they think ,"great, a black man who is also going to identify with my victimization." I have ZERO respect for Obama's anti-life idea's and politics. Watching the crowd last night with tears in there eyes chanting "yes we can" (yes we can what?) to someone they clearly think of in terms of a saviour of sorts, made me sick to my stomach. It's apparent to me that this mob of people deem men worthy by what group they belong to instead of what honor and integrity of idea's that they have for liberty. Sick. Any rational thinker should be abhorred by last nights spectacle.

Ah, so you have seen black people on TV? I suppose the actual people I know are aberrations, while the Marxist activists you saw on TV must represent the black mainstream. I must remember to keep in mind trhat people I meet are not real. It is those you see in Democratic convention halls that represent the "real" black man.

[blackhorse]

Ted, WHY would the black people you know celebrate this man at all?! Why OH WHY did Obama get the vast majority of the black vote?-because they believe in limited government based on individual rights and the integrity of what a man say's and does? There is NO reason, wether black or white, to celebrate Obama's election, because Obama is a quasi-Marxist who believes in seeing people as groups and not individuals that should be judged based on merit.

Edited November 5, 2008 by blackhorse

[sirqlarr]

The United States, after a big bloody nose, will become the most dangerous country in the world. I intend to be living in Thailand. The humidity be damned!

--Brant

I am counting on it. It may require the effusion of blood to make the U.S. the Lean, Mean nation it should have been all along. Rome did not become great until it was nearly defeated by Carthage (Hanibal). Kick Ass America! I love it when we are nasty. Look what we did to Japan. In the end it worked out well for both us and the Japanese. In our righteous Wrath we purged and cleansed Germany of the disease from which it suffered. A nasty America is a great America.

Delenda Cartago est!

Ba'al Chatzaf

Are you - are you serious? A nasty America is a target for every other country in the world. You're saying that lives have to end to effect your Romanesque America? What, are you fourteen years old, to be saying things like "righteous wrath" with a straight face? "It worked out well for both us and the Japanese?" Maybe your brother or your son should die, and the brothers and sons of everyone you know, they should all die as well and you should live with an occupying army in your home town for 60+ years, because it'll turn out well for you in the end, just you trust us.

Idiot.

-Quincy A. Larr

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Quincy,

Welcome to OL.

Cut the "idiot" crap.

Michael

EDIT: Believe me, in addition to name-calling being snarky with no practical positive result, it actually encourages Bob's darker side. He has a wonderful mind, but he has Asbergers. I prefer to see him use his mind for good stuff rather than address snarky snipes. You have no idea where that leads him. Soon he will be blowing up the entire earth.

I consider Bob to be a friend when he is not butchering the hordes and their entire family lines.

[kiaer.ts]

Ted, WHY would the black people you know celebrate this man at all?! Why OH WHY did Obama get the vast majority of the black vote?-because they believe in limited government based on individual rights and the integrity of what a man say's and does? There is NO reason, wether black or white, to celebrate Obama's election, because Obama is a quasi-Marxist who believes in seeing people as groups and not individuals that should be judged based on merit.

I am getting so tired of this. Read what I wrote. I nowehere said they were celebrating the man. The people who cried because of the election of a black man cried because of the election of a black man. Many of them may also be socialists. But they did not cry becasue a socialist was elected, or because now, as socialists, they feel symbolically affirmed by the election of a socialist.

There were people who despise Obama as a man and as a Marxist, who nevertheless actually did cry in celebration that a black man (who happens to be, to our dismay, a Marxist) was able to be elected president.

Think of it this way. A woman feels a painful kick in her abdomen, and cries in joy. Is she crying because she enjoys being kicked? Or becuase the pain signifies she bears a living child? Even non-masochist woman may be brought to tears of joy by what certain pains signify.

[Backlighting]

Living in Manhattan I can report that black people, even those who voted for McCain, to their own surprise, have been crying tears of joy tonight. One thing is obvious. People voted their hopes in this election. That should be celebrated. And people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be. That too is good news.

If the "hopes" of some people involved the joy, for them, in obtaining the earned property of some via "redistribution", I'm certainly not "celebrating" and or encouraging anyone else to.

[kiaer.ts]

Living in Manhattan I can report that black people, even those who voted for McCain, to their own surprise, have been crying tears of joy toniht. One thing is obvious. People voted their hopes in this election. That should be celebrated. And people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be. That too is good news.

If the "hopes" of some people involved the joy, for them, in obtaining the earned property of some via "redistribution", I'm certainly not "celebrating" and or encouraging anyone else to.

Am I in the friggin' land of the Stepford Objectionists? I said: "even black people" who voted for McCain""have been crying tears of joy" "people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be."

The almost universal response is: "If the 'hopes' of some people involved..obtaining...redistribution...I'm...not 'celebrating'...."

Is this Obizarrojectivist Living? I'm going to have to stay away from any piers here in Manhattan...thank god I'm only friends with a girl named Cheryl.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I have to admit, the phrase Stepford Objectionists has a certain something about it...

That one caught me off-guard.

LOL...

Michael

[Backlighting]

Living in Manhattan I can report that black people, even those who voted for McCain, to their own surprise, have been crying tears of joy toniht. One thing is obvious. People voted their hopes in this election. That should be celebrated. And people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be. That too is good news.

If the "hopes" of some people involved the joy, for them, in obtaining the earned property of some via "redistribution", I'm certainly not "celebrating" and or encouraging anyone else to.

Am I in the friggin' land of the Stepford Objectionists? I said: "even black people" who voted for McCain""have been crying tears of joy" "people did not vote for a communist, whoever Barack Obama may be."

The almost universal response is: "If the 'hopes' of some people involved..obtaining...redistribution...I'm...not 'celebrating'...."

Is this Obizarrojectivist Living? I'm going to have to stay away from any piers here in Manhattan...thank god I'm only friends with a girl named Cheryl.

I can't celebrate "hope" as such, unless I know what I or anyone else is hoping for.

BTW Obama is significantly closer to the principles of communism than he is to capitalism. I don't care to celebrate that.

[BaalChatzaf]

This election was about white guilt, black racism, and America's turn to the left. I wholeheartedly agree with Brant; where was the celebration and tears of the black culture for Clarence Thomas?-Alan Keyes?-Thomas Sowell?-Walt Whitman? and countless others? The black culture has allowed victimization to dominate it, so when a leftist hack like Obama comes to the scene they think ,"great, a black man who is also going to identify with my victimization." I have ZERO respect for Obama's anti-life idea's and politics. Watching the crowd last night with tears in there eyes chanting "yes we can" (yes we can what?) to someone they clearly think of in terms of a saviour of sorts, made me sick to my stomach. It's apparent to me that this mob of people deem men worthy by what group they belong to instead of what honor and integrity of idea's that they have for liberty. Sick. Any rational thinker should be abhorred by last nights spectacle.

IMHO, this election and its results was a judgment on the Republicans. Many Independents who used to support Republicans deserted them in droves. On top of that many black folk who sat out prior elections, jumped in and voted. The Republicans deserved to lose. They got us into a war that has been fought badly, they squandered a budget surplus left by the prior Clinton administration and they spent money that that did not have. Shame. Shame. Shame. The Republicans betrayed the people they needed most in order to stay in power. Shame. Shame. Shame.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Ba'al:

Amen. The numbers are fascinating. The turnout was within 1% of 2004. Unfortunately, the one percent was African American, black, negro, colored, persons of color or whatever the PC term for the year is.

Additionally, the key Latino vote broke 68% O'Biwan and 32% McCain which was devastating in and of itself, but it tipped key states.

Furthermore, the youth vote was the same as 2004, but it broke 2 to 1 for O'Biwan.

Finally, the "conservative" was down by almost 2.5 %.

Game, set, match.

O'Biwan and his folks Plouff and Axelrod were brilliant. One of the best campaigns in history.

Adam

[BaalChatzaf]

I can't celebrate "hope" as such, unless I know what I or anyone else is hoping for.

BTW Obama is significantly closer to the principles of communism than he is to capitalism. I don't care to celebrate that.

That is true of the mainstream political establishment. The Democrats have been The Statists From Hell since the days of FDR (if not before) and the Republicans sold out to Statism solidly since the days of Eisenhower with the exception of Barry Goldwater who was demonized and shredded in the 1964 election. Since then it has been solidly downhill for the Republicans who have embraced (in their own way) the same pernicious collectivism and statism as the Democrats. Goldwater was the last decent Republican in the tradition of Robert A. Taft of Ohio.

America has bathed in a political cesspool since 1932 and drowned itself in same in 1964. I suspect nothing will clean up this nation politically short of a total breakdown and rebuilding from the ground up. And if that happens, millions will die. We are in bad shape politically and that will eventually lead to our ruination, How long it will take I do not know. Recall that Rome staggered and lurched along for hundreds of years even though it had a fatally poisoned political system. The same could apply to the U.S.. On top of that we are over 6 trillion (spelled with a "T") dollars in the hole and there is no way we can produce our way out of that.

Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gesthename that the Cup might pass him over. I pray that the Cup might pass over my grandchildren.

We shall see (or our children and grandchildren shall see).

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Chris Grieb]

Baal; I have come to the sad conclusion that most Americans like some parts of the welfare state. They don't like the high taxes to support it. The don't like some of bureaucracy that goes with it. But they like the welfare state.

A small example was just before the New Hampshire primary a viewer called into C-Span in horror to say that Ron Paul wanted to get rid of Social Security.

I suspect that all these people who Galt refers to as having signed up for Ron Paul's campaign would not want to get rid of Social Security.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Chris Grieb

[DavidMcK]

I have been thinking some about good and evil presidents lately, and I've come up with the idea that a good person can do irreparable harm. I'm thinking about a story I read about a doctor who amputated the wrong leg a few years back, he wasn't evil but the effect was exactly the same as if he had been. To me Obama is like a very personable and articulate doctor who is cutting off the free enterprise leg and growing the government leg when it should be just the opposite.

[BaalChatzaf]

Baal; I have come to the sad conclusion that most Americans like some parts of the welfare state. They don't like the high taxes to support it. The don't like some of bureaucracy that goes with it. But they like the welfare state.

A small example was just before the New Hampshire primary a viewer called into C-Span in horror to say that Ron Paul wanted to get rid of Social Security.

I suspect that all these people who Galt refers to as having signed up for Ron Paul's campaign would not want to get rid of Social Security.

I have been saying that for years. As it says in Proverbs: Those who sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I do not hold the negative view of the USA. I don't live in a hellhole here. I live pretty good, and I see that others do, too, despite FDR and all the evil Democrats.

And I'm not even Democrat to live well.

I heard someone on TV (I can't remember who right now) say that the poor in America have no idea what poverty is. Having been in Brazil for so long, I agree. There is a Brazilian expression that sums this up: crying with a full belly.

The world's poor sell their souls to come here, and with good reason if you see where they come from up close. America's poor do not migrate to other countries. Maybe they really do know something after all...

Obama will screw up a lot of things, but I seriously doubt he will turn the USA into a nation of poverty.

Michael