anthony Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 On 2016/08/21 at 4:02 PM, merjet said: Money provides a measure in some cases, but I don't claim to know for many others. I can't say, and wouldn't even try to say, how to "measure" -- ranking is not measuring -- how much I value some other things and some other people. Suppose the following as an example satisfying Galt's statement. I am driving on the highway and see an old man who is a stranger to me on the side of the road with a car that has a flat tire. He is obviously struggling. So I stop to change his tire. He offers to pay me as a token for my help, but I decline. In that case I'd say the old man is the primary/greater beneficiary of my action. How would I measure his value to me, or how would he measure the value I gave him? I have no idea. Do you have a "value measuring stick" for such an example? I think you are grasping at straws. Is the value perceived by the recipient, like the old man with the flat tire, irrelevant? What if the action is a trade, in which both parties both give and receive? The last might be true once in a while. Who do you believe is the "primary beneficiary" in my tire-changing example? Who do you believe is the "primary beneficiary" in my example of a father buying braces for his daughter? How do you know? I say unreservedly the old man and the daughter. I don't believe there is such a thing as a perfectly even trade of values. Over a long time and only with intimate individuals close to one, things -sort of - even out. E.g. A single action for you by the other person, might equal six by you for him/her. The strength and support someone gives to you in character and spiritual value only, may be 'worth' several acts by you. So who's measuring, by what standards? Quantity - quality ? The point is, it doesn't matter. Does it give 'you' (anyone) "pleasure" to help someone in distress regain their normal state? Surely that's what counts. Unforced in any way, and without guilt, service and dutifulness, is how men and women can relate amongst each other. Not even "reciprocity" - or that Golden Rule - is quite valid. Both are subjectively based. Yes, one could 'put one's self in their place'; one might also do as you hope "would be done for you". The objective manner though, I think is more to see, identify and evaluate the reality of another person (a fellow man) in trouble, and the nature of his problem - outside of other considerations - and most likely rise to the occasion without expecting and accepting reward. As long as it is not - conceivably- going to be a self-sacrificial act, your pay-off will be pleasure in seeing him on the road again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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