Brant Gaede Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Bob writes:Hobbes believed a sovereign power is necessary for a functioning social order.As do I... and there already is.Civilization is impossible without God... because with no objective moral standard, by default there can ONLY be the collective popular consensus of relativistic morally equivalent OPINIONS.GregYou mean the same God that killed all t he infants in Sodom and Gomorrah and the same God that drowned all the babies and the same God that stood idly by while His people were being slaughtered by the Nazis??? This God is clearly incompetent when He is not being cruel and crazy. I've read about Jews going atheist after the Holocaust.It's not the job of any "God" to save anybody's ass. It's not the job of "God" to make people believe in irrational, unreal things like "God.""God" is a justification for patriarchy and a re-enforcement of the patriarch. In Christianity it's the Pope as numero uno.As the human race grows up "God" will be replaced by reality, which "to be commanded must be obeyed." In monotheistic religion one does not "command" "God."To go rational means going scientific qua natural phenomena and human endeavor generally.The lack of critical thinking by the mentally lazy and confused and ignorant and cowards is the great, conservative retard. In the meantime the top rots. 800 years ago Popes launched great crusades--albeit a different kind of crazy rot--today he hasn't got the balls or any kind of mandate to call out the Muslims for their fascist nonsense. That's okay; that is now the responsibility of secular governments, although culturally Christian.--Brantmorality is objectified the same way individual rights are objectified--by referencing man qua man you find out what's universal for human beings marginalizing the initiators and would-be initiators of physical force, which is the only (moral) justification of a government (that the United States used to have) for its preponderance, emphasis and orientation (perfection is impossible and not desirable regardless) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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