Selene Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I do not think these folks will ever get it...I had a difficult time realizing how "blind" NBI, et. al. were being in one of the most diverse cities on the planet and being as pure white as you could get without being at a Mississippi KKK meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinReborn Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The male:female ratio is fairly even. And there are two people who aren't clearly white. Not exactly 'diverse' but I think you'd be surprised at the number of organizations and businesses that are less diverse than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidy Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Of all the people listed in the mail message, two to my knowledge are foreign-born (Brook and Ghate). Anu Seppala, Tsvet Tsonevski, Tierra Murguia, Cecilia Cervantes and Rituparna Basu may well be. At least two are gay. Any one of them would make it more diverse than the Sierra Club. NBI was more diverse than you might think, having had one lecturer in good standing (Joan Mitchell Blumenthal) who was not of Jewish ancestry. Neither was Frank O'Connor, but he had no formal affiliation with NBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 ... but I think you'd be surprised at the number of organizations and businesses that are less diverse than this.And that would matter why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Dayaamm, Adam,That picture with that title is hilarious...Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Dayaamm, Adam,That picture with that title is hilarious... Thanks.It just pisses me off.I have always believed that the racially parochial Objectivist movement, as well its horror about engaging in politics, would, either cripple it, or, kill it.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinReborn Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 ... but I think you'd be surprised at the number of organizations and businesses that are less diverse than this.And that would matter why?If you believe diversity is a virtue, ARI is doing a decent job with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I have always believed that the racially parochial Objectivist movement, as well its horror about engaging in politics, would, either cripple it, or, kill it.Adam,I stopped thinking of myself as part of the Objectivist movement a while ago.I'm in an individual frame now. And I believe that is the only effective one for making the best use of Rand's works.Your life and your thinking come first. Then comes Rand.One of the things I found that bothered me about the movement was a gap between saying and doing in several areas and this white issue was one of them. The gay thing, too.The problem is, when you mention this to someone in the movement, they either deny it or get offended. But when you look at the the way movement grows at the top, it's there. (I hate to say it, but the diversity awareness measures in the AS movies look an awful lot like token shit.)Some people say this is a coincidence. OK. I agree that coincidences happen. But why do certain patterns persist over decades? That is the question. And that is not coincidence.Incidentally, I don't believe the people in the Objectivist movement are racists, at least not the ones I have met. I do think they got into a pattern habit that has roots in all of Rand's heroes and inner circles being white and they never thought of this as a problem or something that needed improvement action-wise.They could talk about it, they could point to Rand's essay calling racism the lowest form of collectivism, and that was enough for them.But from the outside, what they do looks an awful lot like hypocrisy.Hell, even with the few folks we have here on OL, we have more diversity than anywhere else I can think of in O-Land. And it's not because any of us seek diversity. We just don't encourage whiteness. In other words, according to the way OL has grown, the folks here don't encourage group thinking, Instead, we focus on individuals and letting each one think and speak as he or she pleases (within, of course, the confines of not disrupting the common space we all use for discussions, i.e., excessive trolling snark and intimidation, rapid-fire preaching, spamming, porn, etc.).The diversity is taking care of itself.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'm green. --Brant I hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 wait.. no porn ?or ect?? sheesh I just thought that was going to come later, dang all that waiting for nuttin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 wait.. no porn ?or ect?? sheesh I just thought that was going to come later, dang all that waiting for nuttin If you have to wait for porn on the Internet, shame on you! --Brant Google your way to it--be pro-active! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Adam, I stopped thinking of myself as part of the Objectivist movement a while ago. Michael I believe you. If it weren't true you'd have realized there is no such thing--any more, if there ever was, since Ayn Rand died--to be more precise, since L.P. decided he had to take her place in 1986. It just sits there in the mud with the tires going slowly around. The critical critical thinking component is missing. It was never there. Just Rand's personal results. Not bad, but that's giving out fish, not fishing. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Brant:There was definitely a movement that was growing in NY City and the suburbs which included the shore counties of New Jersey.The Objectivist movement dovetailed beautifully with the developing Libertarian Party in New York State.The late s'60's were perfectly fertilized for the Objectivist movement. The "Split" just pissed me off because the time was perfect.Ripe. Ready to be born.The movement began to atrophy as the ripples of the split became waves that pretty much ended the movement as Rand beached herself with naming the ever incompetent, unoriginal and frankly tedious Leonard Peikoff as her intellectual heir.Leonard intellectual scope was about - 22% of Ayn's.So be it.Michael:I understand your point about the path you moved on.I saw enough in those early NBI openings of the basic series, as well as understanding the weaknesses in certain areas of the philosophy to never "formally" call myself an Objectivist. I was close, however, I saw too many glimpses of dogmatism in the "leadership." Additionally, the lack of a political arm just did not create a rational path for success and change in my estimation.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 NBI [...] had one lecturer in good standing (Joan Mitchell Blumenthal) who was not of Jewish ancestry.Second time (I've noticed) that you've said that Joan Mitchell Blumenthal wasn't of Jewish ancestry. What is your source?Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidy Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Stuttle Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Don't remember.Not convincing. Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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