The Real Reason for Obama's Debate Performance

[Reidy]

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/04/al-gore-blames-obamas-poor-debate-performance-on-high-altitude/

[Dglgmut]

Some of the tweets under the video were pretty funny.

"Al Gore, man of science, blames..." and "He knows a lot about losing debates..."

lol

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

The only thing high with Al Gore is his fried brain.



This thread is as good as any for the following.

Here's Andrea Mitchell getting her butt handed to her on a silver platter by Sununu.

I felt sorry for the woman.

 

Seriously.

This is Alan Greenspan's wife, for Pete's sake.

(If the video gets weird to play, here's the link from Real Clear Politics, also.)

Andrea Mitchell Asks Sununu To Apologize For Calling Obama "Lazy"

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

Michael

[9thdoctor]

Based on my experience of going from sea level to Vail, Colorado, which is actually 8K feet instead of Denver's 5K, the Gore theory sounds plausible to me. I found it hard to function for about two days, I needed to lie down for maybe 5 minutes every hour. I would expect, however, that Obama has had more experience with it, surely he's campaigned in Denver before.

[caroljane]

I didnt watch it, but per the socialist slave media reports here, Romney took the mittens off and scored a TKO.

Altitude likely was a factor for O and alt-sickness meds would not be an option as he would want to keep a clear head. But there are no excuses in politics.

Well done Willard.

[Brant Gaede]

What was Romney's excuse for what?

--Brant

next--Mt. Everest!

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Glenn Beck had a field day mocking this.

Especially the Denver aspect.

Oh my God. We have to take all due precautions and get our emergency equipment ready. The oxygen tanks. We will be scaling the heights of...

Denver!

Not Mount Everest. Not a satellite. Not the moon.

Denver, man!

Look out, now. Do a complete physical. You never know what can happen to you in the cruel, brutal, ruthless atmosphere of...

Denver!

I don't know if I'm going to be up to it. You know, it's not like I'm going to be debating on solid ground. I don't know if my body can take it. I'm going to be debating in...

Denver!

And so on...

(That's not exact--in fact it's off the top of my head. But it's in the general ballpark of what Beck did.)

It was hilarious.

[blackhorse]

Without his teleprompter Obama is an incoherent mumbling idiot.

[Robert Campbell]

Denver is where Obama gave his acceptance speech in 2008.

Robert Campbell

[Brant Gaede]

Denver is where Obama gave his acceptance speech in 2008.

Robert Campbell

With a teleprompter?

--Brant

[Selene]

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Big Super PAC Donor on Obama: 'Looks Like He Took My Million and Spent it All on Weed'
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Bill Maher, a major donor to Barack Obama's super PAC, blasted the president's debate performance on his HBO show last night:
"I'm sorry, he sucked," said Maher last night. "He looked tired. He had trouble getting his answers out. Looks like he took me million and spent it all on weed!"

Maher has given a million dollars to support President Obama's super PAC.

[Brant Gaede]

Obama: our first affirmative action President--and last.

--Brant

it's affirmative action all around him--evaporating--and all the way down

[9thdoctor]

Denver, man!

Look out, now. Do a complete physical. You never know what can happen to you in the cruel, brutal, ruthless atmosphere of...

Denver!

When I went to Vail I had to fly in to Denver for a layover of an hour or so. They had literature in the airport there talking about how to ease the adjustment to the altitude, don't drink alcohol for instance. So I take it it applies in Denver, though probably less than in Vail. BTW I didn't start to feel the effects until the next morning, I flew in at night and was feeling fine until I woke up in the morning. Obama arrived just a few hours before the debate, so it's not quite the same. All I've said is that Gore's opinion sounds plausible based on my experience. Now if he'd done like he might have in his younger days, and tried "maybe a little blow" before the debate, it surely would have counteracted the effects from the altitude, doncha think?

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I don't have time to list all of the excuses the left came up with for why Obama laid an egg in the debate and post the videos or reports. That would make a cute post.

But off the top of my head, here are some:

• The altitude of Denver caused Obama to be off his game.
  
• Racism--Obama could not get aggressive because he would look like an "angry black man."
  
• Racism again--Obama had to couch his true views and beliefs in the language of the middle class to keep from being seen as too black.
  
• Romney hid zingers in his handkerchief or on a cheatsheet, thus cheating on the rules of the debate.
  
• Romney lied so much, Obama got overwhelmed about how to respond.
  
• Worry about the Middle East and the duties of governing took up all Obama's preparation time (this one kinda left out the intense campaigning schedule, golf, etc.).
  
• Jim Lehrer let Romney steamroll over his moderation.
  
• The baggage of incumbency--too high expectation bias by the public.
  
• Obama is setting a trap from Romney.
  
• Obama didn't really lose, but the media is acting unprofessional by picking winners and losers and should stop it.
  
• Obama doesn't watch enough MSNBC (this was presented seriously by Chris Matthews).
  

That's enough for now.

I only listed the excuses from the left and didn't list how several lefties, also, trashed Obama. Nor did I list the fun the comedians have had with this. And, to be fair, the right had some real boneheaded speculations. But since I'm biased, I'll let others provide those.

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

I've never had trouble adjusting to changes in altitude up to 6000 feet, one place to the next. In the extremely high country of Bolivia, the native populations are born and/or develop physiologically different than most other people; better able to function and live--work--there.

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I just caught this on Drudge.

Now they're saying it's all John Kerry's fault.

EDIT: On The Blaze, there is a headline indicating that some think Obama did poorly because the debate rules were unfair to him as they didn't allow him to use a teleprompter. And they're serious!

It just gets nuttier and nuttier...

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

I predict--I seem to be usually wrong with my predictions so I only let one in ten out into the public weal--Obama will do worse in the next debate because those around him now don't know how to gussy him up.

--Brant

except for some commercials--hey, let him respond to Romney in the debates to come with pre-recorded videos!

great ideas like this don't come along often--forward to the DNC!

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

The only thing that is bothersome is the mantra, "Mitt Romney is a liar," that seems to be an organized media campaign as a response to Obama losing the debate.

This campaign will not take with undecided people who follow events since they will see it as a spin campaign, nor with Romney supporters, but the tactic of repeat something often enough and people begin to accept it as self-evident truth does work with the dumb-and/or-disengaged voters.

The good news is that those people are hard to get to the voting booth on the right day. That is, unless you give them cell phones or something...

Michael

[Selene]

[Brant Gaede]

That SNL video wasn't very good, Adam, but Obama is getting turned on by some of his natural supporters.

-Brant

SNL used to be much better than this--haven't watched it in years

[9thdoctor]

That SNL video wasn't very good

I thought the Chris Matthews impression was spot on. Overall it was hit and miss, but it always is. I liked it.

[Selene]

8 hilarious videos to get you into mood for the Presidential debate...

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/8-hilarious-political-videos-to-get-you-in-the-mood-for-the-presidential-debate.php?utm_source=ReadWriteWeb+Newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1c4bc9c2a1-RWWDailyNewsletter&utm_content=Yahoo!+Mail

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On Drudge this morning, it says the Gallup poll has given Romney a 5 point bounce.

I know this is not happening among conservatives, progressives and hardcore Obama supporters, so it has to be happening among independents.

It makes me wonder. I suspect the debate performance is not the whole story. I believe the wildly irrational reaction from the Obama press corps lampooned in this thread is helping to decide matters in the minds of many. That, allied to the suspicious dramatic bounce in unemployment rate one month before the election. Allied to the Rice lady going all over the mainstream news saying the attack on the Libyan embassy was not a terrorist attack. but instead a reaction to a pathetic video maker (who even looks like a scapegoat).

Folks who are not ideological happen to like Obama, but from what I see, they are just tired of the bullshit. Just like they got tired of the Weapons of Mass Destruction BS from Bush. The only people who don't see this "BS fatigue" factor seem to be those in power.

After so many years in Brazil, I lost touch with how things go here in the USA. But I sense this reality and I guess this is just the way American politics are.

It's funny. I used to tell Brazilians that lying and corruption exist in USA politics just like in Brazil, but these things were not as blatant. That Brazilian politicians were openly shameless. In the USA, the shadiness was more underground because there's a limit people will not allow the politicians to cross.

I'm beginning to revise this opinion.

What I have seen in the press over the last several years beats anything I ever saw in Brazil--even when, during the military dictatorship, O Estado de São Paulo (the Brazilian equivalent of NYT) used to publish food recipes on the front page in the place of certain news articles to indicate that they had been censored.

So I'm beginning to think it's the checks and balances between cruel nasty folks here in the USA that keeps any one side from predominating for too long, and their constant war on each other restrains the lies and corruption from turning into public lethargy and apathy.

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

Just means the continual switching of politicians. Romney bs coming soon as policy. The real truth is now beyond any extant political reality for politicians are only allowed to cause pain down the road, not right now, so down that road we go until the truth is blantantly revealed, not spoken.

Fiat currencies world-wide will be replaced by new fiat currencies or with enough inflation to wipe out most public and private debt. This will take 10 to 20 more years of wealth destruction and economic grind down.

--Brant

student debt?--what student debt?--Social Security?--in name only, etc.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Brant,

The trouble is we keep producing wealth (which is stuff). That's actually not trouble, but it does--like it always has--throw a monkeywrench in the works of predictions of doom.

I often get the idea that doomsayers of the economy temporarily play a zero-sum game, allowing for growth in the thieving, but imagining the wealth as a constant.

But that's not how it is. We produce wealth in both quantity and quality (especially technology). We produce people. And we produce thieving. The game seems to be keeping all this in balance.

For the economy to crash totally, the greed of the thieves (in action) has to outpace the wealth that is in constant production. And the rise in population, both in numbers and in educated people, adds to both.

Michael