Donald Trump

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I think Frank Luntz is tired of being a toadie for a corrupt media:

 

I’m the last person you’d expect to defend Donald Trump, but these sound like boos of agreement, not against him. http://t.co/V4Fu60UEzh

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz)

September 25, 2015

 

And Trump duly thanked him:

 

Thank you @FrankLuntz https://t.co/gpJBNXKV3e

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

September 26, 2015

 
 
Michael

[Marc]

And each of those species will represent me speaking about this for the next 40 months after DT makes his deal to become the rainmaker . He is a deal maker , not a politician . So if DT pulls out in Feb , you got me nagging you for 40 months stating shit like " You think Trump will run again in 2020 or has he decided not to run for the 4th time "

Let's go with your supposition...what would the deal look like to you? Take a shot at it because I have thought about what he will do if he goes into the convention with 35 to 42 % of the delegates in his complete control.

Your magic number is 6 with 9 to play...they would have to kidnap your team to have them blow this...

A...

Excellent question fine sir ! Here is the deal . First of all , what do they call that ? A moot point ? Aint no way that DT goes to any convention with 35-42 % of the delegates!!!!!!!!! Unless its a convention to pick some sort of new reality TV show . But , I will bite so lets say that DT is still in the game at said convention . He gets to be a rainmaker then or anytime before ( more likely ) . The deal is is that he says to Rubio ( you give me so and so and I make you President ) . We all know that ANY Repub will win the Whitehouse .

Toronto sports teams have made a lifetime of choking so one never knows !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marc]

You know folks , in all seriousness I believe that when push comes to shove the US voters who are planning to vote Republican want to see the Nominee not just win the nomination but obviously the POTUS .

That being said , when you look at a ticket of Rubio/ Carly for example or Rubio/whoever he chooses for his reasons will have a much better chance at winning with DT , simply due to the probabilities of DT having zero political experience .

As an outsider , it seems to me that every US election is always chock full of " Washington outsider " rhetoric and change change blah blah change . When push comes to shove though US voters will vote for Rubio/Carly over Hillary/Biden or Biden/whoever and obviously over a 76 year old Jewish socialist .

That being said , why will anyone seriously give DT a chance to even get close when the Republicans have the Whitehouse as long as they don't completely screw up here . A screwup would be someone like Trump simply because you don't get POTUS that easy . Its a process , not a reality tv show .

I know i know i know that today , everyone in the observable Universe loves trump because of all the reasons posted here in this thread .

BUT , wait till the professional politicians start playing their games with ol DT .

This is my opinion based on what WILL happen , not what I want to see happen . I think the majority of posters here are talking about their desires , rather than reality .

Modern day US politics , outsiders have never just jumped in and won .

[Brant Gaede]

Marc: "I think the majority of posters here are talking about their desires, rather than reality."

I want a ham sandwich.

--Brant

[Marc]

And lastly , DT calling Rubio " a clown " , and " a baby " ?

I do not see how anyone thinks he will win when thats the best he can do .

Rubio looks like a President . Talks like a President , and for the first time on this thread I am going to get personal about DT , DT the politician , not the businessman . He is acting exactly like a clown and a baby . And thats why , if DT was a stock , you should short him with both hands and both feet right about now .

[Marc]

Man , I can out do that !

I had a ham and cheese sandwich for breakfast .

On Shabbos

in the middle of the Jewish holidays

and eating milk and meat same meal .

How you like them apples

[Brant Gaede]

Trump has his uses. (Let me find a good YouTube vid.)

--Brant

https://youtu.be/_iRmOc10SMw

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I bought the Trump stock when it was selling for a song.

Trump's a unicorn and I am going to get some massive bragging rights.

Everyday his support keeps growing. That's the reality we can look at.

In all serenity...

(I wish there were an emoji to depict smiling sweetly, innocently and smugly. )

(For readers who don't know what a unicorn is in a business context, it's an Internet company that became massive from scratch like Facebook, Twitter, Google and so on.)

Michael

[Peter]

The last I had heard, Trump's support had declined, though the three outsiders are still way up there in the polls. Hmmm? if we add Don's, Ben's, and Carly's totals, what do we get? Maybe 50 percent. Today's prospectus, says it will come down to the Convention because of the final, winner take all, primaries. BUT the convention won't be a bunch of back room deals. Not with today's conventioneers. Not with today's camera phones, sound systems, and hidden mikes. I think it could be a Trump, Fiorina contest, but Trump is leading in far off states that should be Carly's, like California. How can Rubio or Bush not be leading in Florida? That is a puzzler. Cruz may get 90 percent of the Hispanic vote in the southwest. I still think he has a chance at Prez, but also for Veep. I will sit back and wait for the next Trump Change.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

The last I had heard, Trump's support had declined...

 

Peter,

 

You really should get out more.

 

 

What I mean by that is read other sources than those controlled by Salem. Let The Donald help you:

 

An updated POLL tracker (with all polls thru the weekend) reveals I maintained a double digit lead at… https://t.co/FGxhzluIJA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

September 26, 2015

 

Or, let another political insider help:

 

Bill Clinton: Trump could win nomination

 

This guy knows a little something about winning a nomination or two.

 

He just can't sell his wife that well. But then, who can sell their wife to the public at large? People think you're biased.

 

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here, in addition to the producer angle, is a fundament for Trump supporters. Trump articulated it to 60 Minutes in four words:

 

 

When asked why he was so thin-skinned, Trump responded: "I don't like lies."

 

 

That's it. Simple. No hidden agenda.

 

I expect the gotcha crew to have a field day parsing and spinning this statement or that by Trump against lying, but they all will miss the underlying truth.

 

Trump supporters have contempt for the media's honesty. And the big guns of the gotcha crew all belong to the media.

 

It's just not going to matter what the media says. Mainstream media folks and pundits have lied so often about so much, Trump supporters don't even listen any more except to mock them when they lie again.

 

But wait! There's more!

 

 

Trump supporters know Trump is not perfect.

 

They excuse his lapses because they wholeheartedly believe he is well-intentioned, cares about folks (and America), and is powerful/competent enough to build preeminent projects against great odds.

 

I know all this because it is what I believe and I see it reflected constantly among other Trump supporters.

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

BUT , wait till the professional politicians start playing their games with ol DT .

Marc,

Ha!

Start?!!

They already have been playing their games. Hardball, too. They've done everything visible and invisible they can get away with to Trump.

Nothing works.

The sad sad sad sad fact for professional politicians, pundits and power brokers is they are choking on crow every time they sit down to eat.

I do agree they won't stop trying.

In fact, I expect them to go to ridiculous lengths. I would not be surprised to see some old money establishment Republicans try to set up a third party if they come to the conclusion they can't stop Trump. In light of that pledge crap, that would be quite a sight.

I love ya' Marc, but I can't resist the following:

A side prediction right here but I do not believe he will even be in the race by the end of August .

You did say "believe," so I'll remember that and cook the crow tender...

Show me Trump in the lead at the end of September...

OK.

It's the end of September.

Trump's in the lead.

Michael

[Selene]

You know folks , in all seriousness I believe that when push comes to shove the US voters who are planning to vote Republican want to see the Nominee not just win the nomination but obviously the POTUS .

That being said , when you look at a ticket of Rubio/ Carly for example or Rubio/whoever he chooses for his reasons will have a much better chance at winning with DT , simply due to the probabilities of DT having zero political experience .

As an outsider , it seems to me that every US election is always chock full of " Washington outsider " rhetoric and change change blah blah change . When push comes to shove though US voters will vote for Rubio/Carly over Hillary/Biden or Biden/whoever and obviously over a 76 year old Jewish socialist .

That being said , why will anyone seriously give DT a chance to even get close when the Republicans have the Whitehouse as long as they don't completely screw up here . A screwup would be someone like Trump simply because you don't get POTUS that easy . Its a process , not a reality tv show .

%

I know i know i know that today , everyone in the observable Universe loves trump because of all the reasons posted here in this thread .

BUT , wait till the professional politicians start playing their games with ol DT .

This is my opinion based on what WILL happen , not what I want to see happen . I think the majority of posters here are talking about their desires , rather than reality .

Modern day US politics , outsiders have never just jumped in and won .

Fair analysis. I agree with you that personally 30% of my passion for his candidacy is built on hope in what I see in him.

The other 70% is based on many years of being in this game of politics.

Just some considerations for you about outsiders and running on a party ticket - it happens a lot more than you may realize.

Goldwater, Reagan, Carter, McCarthy Eugene, I would put O'bama in that category, Truman and Clinton.

After Iowa and New Hampshire, we will know for sure whether the "poll" voters are "turned out" voters. I can't imagine him not having a phenomenal election day operation.

A...

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I started a Trump Music thread.

 

The first song is called "I Wanna Be Like The Donald." 

 

It's pretty cool, even if I say so myself.

 

I'm cross-posting this one since it's the first, but I don't intend on making a habit out of it. There should be enough music before too long to entertain Trump supporters and make anti-Trump folks gag.

 

 

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dIWkifAMiLI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

Michael

[Marc]

I bought the Trump stock when it was selling for a song.

Trump's a unicorn and I am going to get some massive bragging rights.

Everyday his support keeps growing. That's the reality we can look at.

In all serenity...

(I wish there were an emoji to depict smiling sweetly, innocently and smugly. )

(For readers who don't know what a unicorn is in a business context, it's an Internet company that became massive from scratch like Facebook, Twitter, Google and so on.)

Michael

I will give you huge props , you bot the Trump stock at pennies a share when there was blood in the streets , I will give you that ! Now the fact you did not sell a few weeks ago , and will continue to fall in love with your " stock buy " , well thats what I am gonna stay on you for and not eat any crow lololol

[Marc]

BUT , wait till the professional politicians start playing their games with ol DT .

Marc,

Ha!

Start?!!

They already have been playing their games. Hardball, too. They've done everything visible and invisible they can get away with to Trump.

Nothing works.

The sad sad sad sad fact for professional politicians, pundits and power brokers is they are choking on crow every time they sit down to eat.

I do agree they won't stop trying.

In fact, I expect them to go to ridiculous lengths. I would not be surprised to see some old money establishment Republicans try to set up a third party if they come to the conclusion they can't stop Trump. In light of that pledge crap, that would be quite a sight.

I love ya' Marc, but I can't resist the following:

A side prediction right here but I do not believe he will even be in the race by the end of August .

You did say "believe," so I'll remember that and cook the crow tender...

Show me Trump in the lead at the end of September...

OK.

It's the end of September.

Trump's in the lead.

Michael

Hahahahaha !!!!!! Damn , August and Sept came faster than I thought ! Well , I was wrong on those predictions !!!!!! eating a little crow

[Marc]

You know folks , in all seriousness I believe that when push comes to shove the US voters who are planning to vote Republican want to see the Nominee not just win the nomination but obviously the POTUS .

That being said , when you look at a ticket of Rubio/ Carly for example or Rubio/whoever he chooses for his reasons will have a much better chance at winning with DT , simply due to the probabilities of DT having zero political experience .

As an outsider , it seems to me that every US election is always chock full of " Washington outsider " rhetoric and change change blah blah change . When push comes to shove though US voters will vote for Rubio/Carly over Hillary/Biden or Biden/whoever and obviously over a 76 year old Jewish socialist .

That being said , why will anyone seriously give DT a chance to even get close when the Republicans have the Whitehouse as long as they don't completely screw up here . A screwup would be someone like Trump simply because you don't get POTUS that easy . Its a process , not a reality tv show .

%

I know i know i know that today , everyone in the observable Universe loves trump because of all the reasons posted here in this thread .

BUT , wait till the professional politicians start playing their games with ol DT .

This is my opinion based on what WILL happen , not what I want to see happen . I think the majority of posters here are talking about their desires , rather than reality .

Modern day US politics , outsiders have never just jumped in and won .

Fair analysis. I agree with you that personally 30% of my passion for his candidacy is built on hope in what I see in him.

The other 70% is based on many years of being in this game of politics.

Just some considerations for you about outsiders and running on a party ticket - it happens a lot more than you may realize.

Goldwater, Reagan, Carter, McCarthy Eugene, I would put O'bama in that category, Truman and Clinton.

After Iowa and New Hampshire, we will know for sure whether the "poll" voters are "turned out" voters. I can't imagine him not having a phenomenal election day operation.

A...

I meant straight from business to politics . Reagan was Governor , Obama a senator as you are well aware .

No idea on the other guys , but always love hearing from you !!!!!!

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

... eating a little crow

I think I want to frame this...

EDIT: Where's that smug emoji when I need it?

[Selene]

I meant straight from business to politics . Reagan was Governor , Obama a senator as you are well aware .

No idea on the other guys , but always love hearing from you !!!!!!

Ah, that's different.

Trump and Perot would be the only ones then that I am aware of also. Except for:

Ulysses Grant.

Wendell Wilkie - whom Ayn Rand campaigned for and publicly supported by speaking in front of movie theatre audiences between features. She would also take questions...no Evita in Ayn....

Dwight David Eisenhower

A...

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

For those who like this sort of thing...

 

 

 

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

She makes some good points in her semi-hysterical anti-intellectual way. It fits in nicely with the great unwashed polloi. Take black teenagers' +20% unemployment rate. That's actually little or nothing to do with immigration. For that to obtain several severe things need first to be corrected. It could take a period of time that will probably take much too long for those living to observe happening.

It's not just blacks, but they generally have it worse working off a cultural lived-in victim premise courtesy of the liberals--they think they (hardly all and I can't even say "most") deserve all the benefits they suck in not understanding they're still on the plantation, though this time not working--and most of the rest of us don't understand we're being herded into the same place because of a childhood artificially prolonged into old age and death.

--Brant

[Peter]

Ann Coulter’s reasons to vote for Trump? Immigration. Under-employment and Un-employment caused by immigrants. Dangerous, open borders. The debasing of American culture. Other candidates are beholden to donors who do not want what is best for America’s freedom and prosperity. Trump’s supporters have the intensity of the Reagan campaign. Trump is America’s last shot. Those are all good reasons to vote for Trump, though he alone, is not our last, best shot.

The big donor situation is ambiguous. From a story in August: Koch brothers backing at donor retreat, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio and Scott Walker will discuss policy at a luxury California resort but Donald Trump has been snubbed. Five Republican candidates will attend a retreat held by Freedom Partners, a key cog in the political network of the Koch brothers . . . . a gathering of well-heeled GOP donors at a luxury resort in Orange County, California. Kentucky senator Rand Paul was invited but declined to attend, citing previous commitments to campaign in Iowa.
end quote

Who could I back that was invited to the Koch Brother’s retreat (supposed, back room conniving?) I could back Trump, as of now. First off, Trump was not snubbed. One of his key appeals is that he does not answer to anyone like big donors, so he had more reason not to attend. I guarantee you if he had showed up uninvited he would have been invited in the front door. Who else could I support? Cruz. Rand Paul, Fiorina. Marco Rubio. I could have supported Scott Walker before he dropped out but I was convinced he could not win a primary or the election. My point is that Big donors do not necessarily back bad, non Tea Party candidates.

Kasich is on Face the Nation as I type. He says you need to know how governments work to be effective. Yet someone in the know (in other words a Senator, Congressman, or Governor,) can still be an outsider. I just would not put Kasich in the ideological class with Cruz or Paul.

During the last campaign I thought Rubio was acknowledged as a fusion of Tea Party and Republican interests and I have not changed my mind. Simply because he has big donors does not make him a RINO.
Peter

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Sunday sunrise from The Hill:

Media thumps Trump, but polls show he's winning big
By Niall Stanage
09/27/15
The Hill

Note this quote about the earlier CNN poll--one that I think had a lot of establishment Republican power-broker monkeybusiness in it, especially since it's the one everybody and their brother touted to the skies:

Much of the negative media attention has been built around a single poll in the immediate aftermath of the debate, by CNN/ORC.

The survey showed the businessman’s support among Republican voters nationwide had declined by 8 percentage points since the last survey from the same source, less than two weeks before.

That was a sizable decline, to be sure — even though Trump still led his closest rival by 9 percentage points. But no other reputable poll since the debate has shown Trump falling by anything like that margin.

A survey from Fox News released earlier this week showed the businessman at 26 percent support nationally, an increase of 1 point since Fox’s last survey in mid-August. A Bloomberg poll gave him 21 percent — good enough for a 5-point lead over the field and an unchanged rating since the last poll from the financial news outlet at the beginning of August.

That CNN poll is one of the games the backstage players tried on Trump. And it will end up embarrassing CNN over time.

Why? Guess what Trump's people are going to do with the next CNN poll if Trump is down? And guess what the establishment Republicans are going to do if Trump is up?

They're all going to say that CNN's polling is unreliable.

I hope CNN got some good money out of selling out. Otherwise, it will realize it was punked over nothing.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Trump on 60 Minutes just a little bit ago:

 

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From what I have seen written around the Interwebs, he should get some more supporters from this interview.

 

Michael

[Selene]

Trump on 60 Minutes just a little bit ago:

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From what I have seen written around the Interwebs, he should get some more supporters from this interview.

Michael

I stumbled across it and saw 10 minutes...he did really well and with a detestably arrogant asshole interviewing him.

A...