Peter Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Darn. I don't want to stop George from talking so I will put this response here, for now.George wrote:I have read dozens of Peter's screeds against anarchism, and in not one of them did I find anything approaching a serious attempt to deal with the essential philosophical issues that divide libertarian minarchists and anarchists. end quoteMy responses have always been serious, though I like to joke around a bit. The divide, as you call it, is Objectivism. If you wanted to enlighten libertarian minarchists, you would go to Atlantis II or a Libertarian site. If you wanted to be shunned and then condemned you would go to any ARI site like Binswanger’s list. Yet, here you are on Objectivist Living, and as Michael Stuart Kelly has said, you are welcome. So if your agenda is to favorably amend inconsistencies in Objectivism, I would like to hear what you have to say. I always have, but I will always respond. George wrote: Peter is probably the most anti-intellectual "Objectivist" that I have ever encountered -- and I have encountered quite a few. His contempt for philosophical reasoning has manifested itself time and again in a manner that reminds me of James Taggart's opening lines in Atlas Shrugged, with this slight difference: "Don't bother me with philosophical arguments, don't bother me, don't bother me." end quote Nope that doesn’t sound like me at all. Bother me George! I continually ask you to show me your Anarchist model and you don’t have one. Or are you just hiding it in up your sleeve? Or is Philosophical Anarchism impossible? You sound like Ellsworth Monkton Toohey as you undermine Objectivist government. I will change his dialogue slightly:There's the Building of Constitutional Government that should have been yours. There are buildings going up all over the city which are great chances refused and given to incompetent fools. You're walking the streets while they're doing the work that you love but cannot obtain. This city is closed to you. It is I who have done it! Soon I will infiltrate and destroy Objectivist Living! Don't you want to know my motive?End of mixed up quoteDo we want to know your motive, George Hamilton Smith?Sure I do, but Michael Stuart Kelly, aka Howard Roark, does not.George wrote:In all honesty, if I were a Randian minarchist I would be acutely embarrassed by Peter's theatrics. I would fervently hope that he converts to anarchism so he could discredit that position . . . End quote Interestingly enough, Ellsworth, most of the people corresponding with you on OL have an affinity for anarchism, are curious about your motives, or liked ATCAG and are star struck, or so it seems 8 -) So what is the self-professed agenda of a Philosophical Anarchist? To do away with government, which includes Randian Government, which means you wish to do away with Objectivism, as a Political Philosophy. Now what was that other Government you want to do away with? No, don’t tell me. I will remember. Oh, yeah. You Philosophical Anarchists want to do away with The United States of America!In her address to West Point Ayn Rand said:“In conclusion, allow me to speak in personal terms. This evening means a great deal to me. I feel deeply honored by the opportunity to address you. I can say-not as a patriotic bromide, but with full knowledge of the necessary metaphysical, epistemological, ethical, political and esthetic roots-that the United States of America is the greatest, the noblest and in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world.end quote Oh, and atheist that she was she also roared out, “God Bless America!”So, I presume you are an arm chair Anarchist. Yet Philosophical Anarchists are also the street fighters we see shouting Death to America! Death to Capitalism! It’s interesting how the logical conclusion of Anarchism is the destruction of America, yet Street Anarchists refuse to be labeled as traitors, as they spell our country Amerika. In the streets you form mobs to burn or bring down buildings like the Muslim Death To America crowds. You arm-chair anarchists may even disown anarchistic mobs but they ARE your logical conclusion. George has said he is free to revolt at any instant. Anarchists find traitors to THEIR freedom among the founding father’s machinations at the creation of the Constitution. But, patriots who might want to change the Constitution, to better protect individual rights, see you as the traitors who wish to have a hand in the demise of the Constitution and our country. Your rights are protected by soldiers, sailors, and airmen, fighting for the country you want to destroy. Hypocritically, you say America is the best place in the world for you to destroy America.You cannot logically say Anarchism is a device to create a better America if you simultaneously espouse the destruction of America.George wrote:One more thing: If you upset Peter. . . End quote So why are you upsetting me, a screed writing, anti-intellectual grizzly bear? George wrote: . . . he may retaliate by reposting old and irrelevant messages by you that have nothing whatever to do with the topic being discussed, if he thinks these might embarrass or discredit you. This was clearly his intention in reposting that thread from Atlantis on drugs and addiction. End quote Not exactly. I did get a sense of glee by hoisting you onto your own petard, but you are a pied piper and I wanted everyone here to know your true nature. Kids are present, so mind your manners. You continue to advocate drug use, or at least you identify anti- drug laws as your major libertarian concern. You are less concerned about a Fascist President, Climategate, a nuclear Iran, or electing a better President and Congress. No, you are more interested in your RIGHT to a crack pipe, and dope sold at decent prices. George wrote:Nevertheless, incompetence is one thing, while vicious incompetence is quite another. end quote Bud, there is nothing stealth about me. But you always seem to be in stealth mode. Show me your Anarchic model, damn it! Put up or shut up. I think I have been quite competent in raking you over the coals, but vicious? I would say, my response to your name calling was deservedly mean. Semper cogitans fidele,Peter TaylorPS: I printed that portion of Ayn Rand’s address to the graduating class of West Point, in honor of deceased Objectivist and Canadian, Ellen Moore a true defender of freedom and to America’s, Canada’s and Britain’s fallen heroes, who died in defense of liberty and in the liberation of Iraq and now Afghanistan. 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