Ann Coulter on Global Warming

[John Dailey]

~ Cripes!

~ Ann Coulter said 'X'? Uh, yeah, but she also said this alphabet of other things which are stupid/evil/obnoxious/un-PC/insulting/I-don't-like (take your pick).

~ Her 'antipode' (pick one...if you can find one) was different? Ok: who?

~ C'mon people! Is this an 'anti'-Ann Coulter thread?

~ Even Kant had some things worth 'thinking' about...regardless that he said them! If not 'give', ALLOW credit where due! Jeez...

LLAP

J:D

[Dragonfly]

Well, maybe she is fine for some people who are fond of KASS and such nonsense to make fun of your opponents when preaching to the choir. But trying to convince other people who might be open to a rational argument by referring to this crazy rattlesnake, even if she may be right in a particular instance, is just the dumbest thing you can do. You Have Been Warned Twice.

[Brant Gaede]

There's no way I'd even bring up that article, let alone recommend it as "worth reading," to any of the scientific types I know. And the problem it presents from Larry's standpoint is that the scientists he's trying to persuade to look more carefully at the scientific issues pertaining to AGW are only too likely to hear of the article (not from him) and to bring it up in just the vein Brant described, as indicating that only "the freaks and nutcases" are taking the anti-AGW side.

One has to use one's ammunition selectively. I'd never mention that article in a debate with a scientist or a liberal. But I would definitely mention it to an admirer of Coulter, who might want to use the arguments in it in debate with people he/she knows for further argument. And I'd definitely mention it to an admirer of Coulter who was on the fence about global warming.

Judith

I wouldn't, because the admirer would go around telling others how great Coulter was. Instead, bring up how nuts she is respecting other material and maybe the admirer will de-admirer her.

--Brant

[Ellen Stuttle]

Ellen,

Since you've mentioned that Larry is studying the scientific literature surrounding AGW, I'm curious to know if he finds value in the prominent alternative theories like that of of Roy Spencer, who claims that the majority of (if not all) current models used for predicting "global warming", are completely devoid of any physics which describe the effect of precipitation systems (or clouds) on the overall temperature of the earth. Obviously, he believes the cooling effect of these systems is substantial...and that AGW is an unsubstantiated hypothesis.

Christian,

He isn't recognizing the name "Roy Spencer," and I'm not recalling his having mentioned it. Lots of names in the scene; maybe someone significant has been forgotten or overlooked. Who is Roy Spencer?

As to the indicated thesis, indeed the point about the effect of "precipitation systems" -- generally, of water vapor -- being neglected is important. Water vapor is about 95% of so-called greenhouse gases; carbon dioxide, whether human-produced or natural, is only about 3%. The effect of water vapor in heating/cooling -- in what relationship -- has mostly been ignored as if it's irrelevant.

Btw, I'm not desirous of becoming immersed in a discussion of the scientific issues. For one thing, I hear about those as a steady diet around here and I do have other subjects I'd like to think about as well. Plus, the factors are SO complex, and you know I don't want to be using my computer-screen time discussing the nitty-grittys. In fact I've been avoiding even opening any thread about global warming. But out of macabre curiosity I couldn't resist looking given the title of this thread. ;-)

Ellen

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[Peri]

Well, maybe she is fine for some people who are fond of KASS and such nonsense to make fun of your opponents when preaching to the choir. But trying to convince other people who might be open to a rational argument by referring to this crazy rattlesnake, even if she may be right in a particular instance, is just the dumbest thing you can do. You Have Been Warned Twice.

*stands up and applauds*

When someone uses Ms. Coulter to bolster their argument, they lose me. Period.

[reason.on]

He isn't recognizing the name "Roy Spencer," and I'm not recalling his having mentioned it. Lots of names in the scene; maybe someone significant has been forgotten or overlooked. Who is Roy Spencer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer

RCR

[Ellen Stuttle]

He isn't recognizing the name "Roy Spencer," and I'm not recalling his having mentioned it. Lots of names in the scene; maybe someone significant has been forgotten or overlooked. Who is Roy Spencer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer

As soon as I saw that Spencer is connected with the University of Alabama, I figured that he "must" know Christy -- and indeed he must, since 8 of the 14 papers listed include Christy as a co-author. I'm figuring that Larry was just having a lapse on the name, since Larry knows Christy and is in periodic contact with him and I think has to have heard of those papers. Something I notice, though, is that the most recent listed was from 1997. Maybe Spencer's turned his primary attention to his other interest since then.

Said "other interest," I'm afraid, presents a strong reason why Spencer might be ignored by a lot of scientists. Dear me, he's an intelligent design proponent.

Curioser and curioser. I'll look into this further.

Thanks for the link.

Ellen

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[reason.on]

Said "other interest," I'm afraid, presents a strong reason why Spencer might be ignored by a lot of scientists. Dear me, he's an intelligent design proponent.

Curioser and curioser. I'll look into this further.

Thanks for the link.

Yes, I saw that....but, that doesn't mean he can't do good climate science :-)

No prob.

RCR

[John Dailey]

~ Al Einstein was 'socialist'-oriented. Clearly, for those familiar with his background (I bow, only a bit, to BB) saw what he regarded as 'capitalism' as a confounding problem totally complicating what he saw, as so many back then, a basic/'fundamental' problem re the (to them) obviously important political 'basics' of communism-vs-fascism. Ergo, practically (apart from its inherent lack-of-'empathy'), capitalism was 'evil.'

~ 'Ergo', he should have been ignorable re his math-supported theories?

~ If he had been, we'd be speaking either Japanese or, most likely, German...for those of us who'd be here.

~ Let's not mix bias with 'science', I say.

~ It's the ARGUMENTS (or, more pertinently, the lack thereof) that are relevent; NOT the irrelevent beliefs (or, as I said elsewhere, the funding) of those putting them forth.

~ Let's keep our apples and oranges separate, hmmm?

LLAP

J:D

[Ellen Stuttle]

~ Let's keep our apples and oranges separate, hmmm?

Who here is the lecture addressed to?

A different issue. There's a question I've wondered about for some time pertaining to your references to Einstein. Now seems as good an occasion as any on which to ask. Why do you refer to Einstein as "Al Einstein"? Were you a close personal friend of his to whom he gave special permission to call him "Al," although he didn't like being called "Al" and his other close friends called him "Albert"? Or is there some other reason you use that form of address?

Ellen

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[John Dailey]

Ellen:

~ I really don't understand why you quoted my 'apples and oranges' as a start-off for...

~ ... a pointless digression. But, as 'farm-boy' Westley said to Buttercup (Princess Bride), "As you wish."

~ Re your 1st question: those conflating arguers who argue 'X' yet also argue 'creationism;' if I'm not clear here, please ask again. --- Re your 2nd (and 3rd): only my readings (of how others address him...while dead) let me assume such familiarity which you seem to have a (can I say: irrelevent to THIS thread?) real problem with. I'm quite willing to address him in any other professorially-'official' way you wish. Please delineate your...preference options of what you'd have no more problem with.

~ Can we (or rather, would you allow the rest of 'us') get back to the thread, or do you really wish to continue this...discussion...HERE?

LLAP

J:D

Edited March 6, 2007 by John Dailey