BAMF Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Psst...Jeff. Pot rhymes with plot.http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/...1733612540.htmlONE in three young people find cannabis use unacceptable, according to research suggesting the drug is now seen as addictive and linked to health and social problems.A new survey by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre found marijuana use has become socially unfashionable, with three-quarters of the 1500 adults surveyed believing it is dangerous or very dangerous.Nearly half believed cannabis can cause schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorder to a moderate or large degree.Almost half of people aged under 30 reported having friends who use cannabis.Centre spokesman Paul Dillon said the data clearly showed being stoned just did not seem to be as acceptable as it once was."The Australian community is ready to accept a non-smoking message," he said. "People are starting to see smokers, not only tobacco smokers but any smokers, as being isolated."Mr Dillon said prevention programs, particularly school drug education programs, were doing a great job teaching about the harm of cannabis.But he expressed concern that many people were not getting information about cannabis from reliable sources.The Howard Government said the data vindicated its tough stance on marijuana use. Parliamentary secretary for health Christopher Pyne said it showed young people were starting to recognise that cannabis and mental health were linked. Edited February 21, 2007 by Kori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Give every statistic mentioned there a 10-20% boost due to shame and you'll get about the right number. I think a larger percentage of my teachers smoke pot than thought it wasn't linked to those things. The kids seem to wear the social disorder thing as a badge of honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 The article just says that people find it unacceptable. One can find something unacceptable and still do it. Anyway, I think pot smoking is on the rise in the US, for sure. And Jeff, I agree, they wear it as a badge of honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 If they do it then they don't find it unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 That's untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Jeff & Kori; Is the unacceptability of pot because it is no longer cool and not some of the stupid tv ads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 It's because people lie. If they actually found it unacceptable they wouldn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Again, I disagree, Jeff. Do you have any experience with drugs?Chris,That article, I believe, was about Australian youth. Based on my own observations, I believe that pot is becoming more widely used in the US. WAY more widely used. People at my school also brag about using it and other drugs. I wonder who started this trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 No, I don't, because I find it unacceptable.How can you find something unable to accept, yet do it, therefore accepting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Do you know what addiction is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Feeding addiction takes consumption of pot, something they are willing to accept in order to feed their addiction. They accept pot = they don't think pot is unacceptable. I care very little for what comes out of a person's mouth regarding their moral standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiodekadent Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Pot is boring. Tried it once, was like taking a valium. Screw weed. Stimulants are where its at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I have tried pot less than ten times in my life. All I got was hungry and thirsty. I was around a lot of people who smoked and all seemed very stupid. I think arresting people for selling it is also very dumb and a huge waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Engle Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Pot is an herb, it has many positive applications. Like anything else (including water, say), if you overuse it, it isn't good. On the other hand, there are many positive benefits. If you don't like it, don't smoke it. You can thank Nixon for it being put on the same schedule as LSD and heroin. Rightio. Good for menstrual cramps, nausea, chemotherapy people, glaucoma. Good for exploring creativity as an artist. Good to have a little before watching movies, reading, listening to music, whatever. As long as it works with your unique physical makeup. Some people have a reverse reaction to it; it makes them nervous, anxiety. So, not good for them. Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine are among the socially correct and legally sanctioned tools of choice in the U.S. When I see people smacking the crap out of each other (you know, like in the trailer park or in the hood), usually, alcohol, crack, meth, things like that are involved. Not weed.Weed will make you stupid if you do too much of it. Big revelation, not. There are reasons pot is illegal in the U.S., and they have nothing to do with much of anything other than stigma. I doubt it will ever be legal, because for one, find me a politician brave and greasy enough to stand up to that plate. Ever see "Reefer Madness?" That's still the basic perception. Things like pot, peyote, other natural psychotropics, are often used for recreational purposes, and that can be OK... have fun, relax in safe haven. But, traditionally, there is a spiritual element to this use. I always find it funny (not hah-hah funny) when people whip up on smoking weed. Yeah... Ever see that movie "Detroit Rock City?" There's a scene in there where mom is bringing her son to a private Catholic school; he has been busted with KISS concert tickets, he smokes pot and plays in a little garage rock band... Meanwhile, she's chain smoking, drinking, and practicing Fundamentalism. Hypocritical bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Rich; I think we're on the same page. I have seen only parts of the original Reefer Madness. I saw the musical remake. The original is a very silly movie. The musical is fun. The cop shows (Dragnet, Mod Squad) of the the 50ths and 60ths demonized pot. The idea that you would end up a heroin addict is believed by many GOP members of Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Stuff like that just isn't for me. I drank once in seventh grade. My friends got wasted in a hurry, I just got annoyed with them. If people want to do pot that's their thing, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Engle Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 You have to be very aware of your composition to make proper use of psychotropics, if at all. That's the fucking problem, predominantly in the U.S.-- everything is reduced to instant gratification. It's all comfort stuff-- to escape from reality. You have to know reality first in order to augment it. I don't advocate doing anything. Not my right, anymore so than people saying don't. But laying down the big tribal justice, hell that's the Republican's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) Pot is a big nothing. There’s all this refer madness and mythology orbiting around pot. In Canada, it’s no longer a criminal offence to smoke it. People openly blaze on the street. It’s the equivalent to their coffee break. Edited February 23, 2007 by Victor Pross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I once had a conversation many moons ago with a pop artist about weed. At that time I was strong into crack cocaine, although the pop artist did not know it.HIM (lighting up): Wanna' toke?ME: Nah.HIM: You never smoke weed.ME: I used to but I stopped.HIM: What happened? Weed is baaaaaaaaaaaaddd!ME: I got tired of it. It makes me dizzy...Long pause while he stared at me intensely, getting more and more wound up and incredulous.HIM (exploding): BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO!!!I miss that dude.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Michael; Some of your exchange sounds like the stoner guy on that 70ths Show. Very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 Which stoner guy? They're all stoners! You're thinking of Tommy Chong though. I can't help but love that dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 As I understand it, pot is less harmful than alcohol; it just got a bum political rap. One doesn't have to smoke it; it can be ingested, as in brownies, etc.I'm not into any of it -- alcohol, etc. I like being wide awake.Judith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Engle Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 (edited) I used to think about how you see (and likely have done what they do) little kids playing together, and how on purpose they will on occasion spin around in circles to get vertigo, then they'd lay on the ground and enjoy the spin (thiat was never for me, I had motion sickness for most of my youth and it weren't pretty). My point is that there is very often some kind of inherent urge to experience alteration. But the thing about alteration is: if you stay altered, what's the difference? How do you know anymore?I'm suprised they don't go after other herbs. Valium was modeled after one called Valerian root. Prior to the development of Valium, Valerian root was often prescribed. You can buy it at the pharmacy. Not a bad way to take the edge of anxiety off for some folks. There are reasons herbs like these aren't regulated, mostly production/$ reasons, I think. You have all these guys chowing Viagra. Two hits of good quality Horny Goat Weed will do the same, without side effects, notably the headache. It's just to hard to tax the stuff, and not enough people are hip to the benefits. Edited February 24, 2007 by Rich Engle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 ~ Speaking of 'tax', have there been any studies linking 'tax'-power addiction of politicians to political corruption?~ I bet not!~ Cannabis is small potatos 'mental-health'-wise to this territory.LLAPJ:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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