Minority among minorities among.....

[Southern Capitalist]

I live in Alabama so being an Atheist I am beyond being a minority. However, we have two large Atheist groups here. The first one I created myself but had to leave due to most of the members being of "liberal" mind. The second one just contacted me and claims a more "Libertarian" mind, less socialism and Obama worship being involved in the discussion. So will try it out. But its odd to be a minority when it come to being religious, and then a minority among those who are "lacking" Theism. Even among others or "Libertarian minded" I am an Objectivist. So once again, I am a minority. Not that this is to incredibly bad because I can discuss and debate my views very well Thanks again Ayn Rand

But does anyone else have similar problems? If it is a problem at all.

The positive in this is it improves my communication dealing with Objectivism and improves my debating process. Just curious of others experiences with this.

[BaalChatzaf]

I live in Alabama so being an Atheist I am beyond being a minority. However, we have two large Atheist groups here. The first one I created myself but had to leave due to most of the members being of "liberal" mind. The second one just contacted me and claims a more "Libertarian" mind, less socialism and Obama worship being involved in the discussion. So will try it out. But its odd to be a minority when it come to being religious, and then a minority among those who are "lacking" Theism. Even among others or "Libertarian minded" I am an Objectivist. So once again, I am a minority. Not that this is to incredibly bad because I can discuss and debate my views very well Thanks again Ayn Rand

But does anyone else have similar problems? If it is a problem at all.

The positive in this is it improves my communication dealing with Objectivism and improves my debating process. Just curious of others experiences with this.

Try being a Meyer-Briggs INTJ. Less than two percent of the population are.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Kyle Jacob Biodrowski]

I live in Alabama so being an Atheist I am beyond being a minority. However, we have two large Atheist groups here. The first one I created myself but had to leave due to most of the members being of "liberal" mind. The second one just contacted me and claims a more "Libertarian" mind, less socialism and Obama worship being involved in the discussion. So will try it out. But its odd to be a minority when it come to being religious, and then a minority among those who are "lacking" Theism. Even among others or "Libertarian minded" I am an Objectivist. So once again, I am a minority. Not that this is to incredibly bad because I can discuss and debate my views very well Thanks again Ayn Rand

But does anyone else have similar problems? If it is a problem at all.

The positive in this is it improves my communication dealing with Objectivism and improves my debating process. Just curious of others experiences with this.

Try being a Meyer-Briggs INTJ. Less than two percent of the population are.

Ba'al Chatzaf

I was once ranked INTJ.

Can't say I agree with the assessment.

I find it difficult to make assessments of myself. I often look to the normative rather than the descriptive when assessing certain qualities.

[Robert Baratheon]

Myers=Briggs suffers from the horoscope problem - the "types" are defined in such broad terms that anyone who so chooses can see truth in them and deemphasize that which doesn't fit ("I must just not be 100% J"). At best, it can serve as a catalyst for more meaningful introspection. At worst, its hocus pocus being peddled to the gullible for profit.

[Southern Capitalist]

Ahhh the work of Carl Jung If i recall correctly.

[Mike82ARP]

I live in Alabama so being an Atheist I am beyond being a minority. However, we have two large Atheist groups here. The first one I created myself but had to leave due to most of the members being of "liberal" mind. The second one just contacted me and claims a more "Libertarian" mind, less socialism and Obama worship being involved in the discussion. So will try it out. But its odd to be a minority when it come to being religious, and then a minority among those who are "lacking" Theism. Even among others or "Libertarian minded" I am an Objectivist. So once again, I am a minority. Not that this is to incredibly bad because I can discuss and debate my views very well Thanks again Ayn Rand

But does anyone else have similar problems? If it is a problem at all.

The positive in this is it improves my communication dealing with Objectivism and improves my debating process. Just curious of others experiences with this.

I’ve often wondered about what “atheists” talk about. I other words, how does atheism direct your conversation when it comes to politics, economics, etc? DOes it eventually devolve into subjective relativism?

[Brant Gaede]

I live in Alabama so being an Atheist I am beyond being a minority. However, we have two large Atheist groups here. The first one I created myself but had to leave due to most of the members being of "liberal" mind. The second one just contacted me and claims a more "Libertarian" mind, less socialism and Obama worship being involved in the discussion. So will try it out. But its odd to be a minority when it come to being religious, and then a minority among those who are "lacking" Theism. Even among others or "Libertarian minded" I am an Objectivist. So once again, I am a minority. Not that this is to incredibly bad because I can discuss and debate my views very well Thanks again Ayn Rand

But does anyone else have similar problems? If it is a problem at all.

The positive in this is it improves my communication dealing with Objectivism and improves my debating process. Just curious of others experiences with this.

I’ve often wondered about what “atheists” talk about. I other words, how does atheism direct your conversation when it comes to politics, economics, etc? DOes it eventually devolve into subjective relativism?

? You read OL and you don't know?

---Brant

[Mike82ARP]

Objectivists talk about Objectivism. Atheists are not by default Objectivists, so you haven’t answered my question.

[Brant Gaede]

Objectivists pretty much default to atheism, however. Qua philosophy, I'm not aware of the contamination of any secular relativism. If there were, Rand couldn't have been much of a moralist, the one thing she most wanted to be.

--Brant

Objectivists talk about everything

[Mike82ARP]

Objectivists pretty much default to atheism, however. Qua philosophy, I'm not aware of the contamination of any secular relativism. If there were, Rand couldn't have been much of a moralist, the one thing she most wanted to be.

--Brant

Objectivists talk about everything

Thanks, but you still haven’t answered my question. What if anything is the issue that would bring atheists together? It wouldn’t make sense that it would be discussion of a non-entity (God). I don’t think a group like the Am Humanist Assoc. would attract many atheists as history pretty much refutes their dream of a utopian society. I don’t see any charities that are "atheist sponsored”. Maybe they get together to commiserate about their minority status.

I’m not trying to be a smart ass. I just wonder what brings them together.

[syrakusos]

I will nibble at the hook....

First: Liberals. I went a meeting of the local American Atheists chapter in Ann Arbor back in 2009 or 2010 and some old hippie woman among the members (not a leader) was running on and on about how this was not a club for libertarians who hate Obama. So, I left. I was not interested in a kulturkampf over this. And since no one else nay-sayed her, I figured that this was a club for collectivists only.

I point out that now that I actually wrote checks for Democratic Party local candidates in primaries but I was not about to part with hard-earned dollars to be marginalized before i even said, "Hello."

And I confess that I took the easy way out. I mean, the proper response might have been to declaim for capital-R Reason and let them deal with that.

Second INTJ: I consider myself a balanced and normal person. However, I score INTJ/ ENTJ on the MBTI. My strong score is in Thinking. But I can go Intro or Extro when it comes to introducing myself at parties or being happy to work alone.

[Mike82ARP]

Thanks for sharing MEM.

Re: Meyers-Briggs. FWIW, I’ve scored ESTJ and ENTJ, mildly strong in the E and strong in the T and J (the T & J maybe because I am a former cop/fraud investigator).

Back to my previous post, I think non-Objectivist atheists are fundamentally collectivists especially when you look at the aforementioned Am Humanist Assoc whose Manifesto III (the current version) promotes the idea of the perfectibility of mankind.

From the AHA website: http://www.americanhumanist.org/Humanism/Humanist_Manifesto_III

“Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals...The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature's resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life."

Methinks Rand would turn over in her grave.

[BaalChatzaf]

I was once ranked INTJ.

Can't say I agree with the assessment.

I find it difficult to make assessments of myself. I often look to the normative rather than the descriptive when assessing certain qualities.

INTJ fits my Asperger's condition hand to glove.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Brant Gaede]

Thanks for sharing MEM.

Re: Meyers-Briggs. FWIW, I’ve scored ESTJ and ENTJ, mildly strong in the E and strong in the T and J (the T & J maybe because I am a former cop/fraud investigator).

Back to my previous post, I think non-Objectivist atheists are fundamentally collectivists especially when you look at the aforementioned Am Humanist Assoc whose Manifesto III (the current version) promotes the idea of the perfectibility of mankind.

From the AHA website: http://www.americanhumanist.org/Humanism/Humanist_Manifesto_III

“Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals...The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature's resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life."

Methinks Rand would turn over in her grave.

The perfectibility of man is all but explicit in Objectivism--it stops with some men but some ass in the future might try to create/impose the "ideal" just the way the communists tried in Cambodia: with blood. It would no longer be Objectivism, of course, even if still called that. As for these bozos, they call themselves "progressives" these days because they shit and pissed so much in their "liberal" waterhole they need a new name, but these cripto-Communists still stink.

--Brant