Truthful article about GOP now seeking support from Ron Paul advocates

[GALTGULCH8]

http://www.examiner....orters-for-help

<<<"The Houston Chronicle posted their weekly report on Saturday detailing their top 10 most popular articles of the week. Third most popular was an article describing GOPVice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan's pleato Ron Paul supporters, begging for their support, just weeks after the GOP and the media egregiously shunned Paul supporters at the national convention and throughout the entire 2012 nomination process.

Potentially hoping the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters have already forgotten how badly they were treated during the election season, by the GOP establishment, in almost every state they had an opportunity to participate, all of the sudden it seems as though they are important enough to the Republicans they feel it necessary to now start begging for help."http://www.examiner....romney-or-else"

[syrakusos]

It is power politics, a redundant phrase; but, indeed, the Romney bandwagon bullied the Ron Paul supporters into submission and now expect that this very display of power will make Ron Paul supporters subservient to the GOP partyarchy. It might work, as many Ron Paul supporters are crypto-nazis. Largely, the GOP is now terrified (rightfully) that support (actual votes) for Gary Johnson will seem to tap off the margins needed for Victory.

In truth, the decision was made long ago in Davos, and we will be informed of it in November. But the GOP still wants a good showing and they do not want Gary Johnson to get more than 1% of the vote. That could in fact kill the GOP just as the Whigs of the ante-bellum were left behind by history. A Ron Paul/Gary Johnson alliance (albeit de facto) could drain off "all" (many) of their conservatives the next time around, like in 2014. Two or three actual living, breathing Libertarians in Congress could mark the end of the Two Party System.

[GALTGULCH8]

What in heaven's name is a "crypto-nazi" and what is your basis for the claim about "many" Ron Paul supporters? Are you referring to those who share his irrational opposition to the right to choose for pregnant women? What else?

[Frediano]

I always thought a crypto-nazi was the guy on the U-boat who operated the Enigma.

[Selene]

I always thought a crypto-nazi was the guy on the U-boat who operated the Enigma.

Now that is really funny!!!!

[Selene]

Gulch:

Are you familiar with logical fallacy of "begging the question*"? "Truthful article..." Carts and horses, my friend...

*petitio principii, "assuming the initial point""assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which a proposition relies on an implicit premise within itself to establish the truth of that same proposition. In other words, it is a statement that refers to its own assertion to prove the assertion. Such arguments are essentially of the form "a is true because a is true" though rarely is such an argument stated as such. Often the premise 'a' is only one of many premises that go into proving that 'a' is true as a conclusion.

The first known definition in the West is by Aristotle around 350 BC, in his book Prior Analytics, where he classified it as a material fallacy. Begging the question is related to the circular argument, circulus in probando (Latin, "circle in proving") or circular reasoning, though these are considered absolutely different by Aristotle.^[1]

[GALTGULCH8]

How would you characterize the treatment of Ron Paul and his delegates all through the process of their election, their replacement, the invalidation of the state elections of delegates, the GOP changing their rules in the middle of the game regarding nomination from the floor of the convention, refusal to let Ron Paul speak at the convention despite the fact that his delegates met the eligibility requirement, not to mention the treatment of Ron Paul by the media or their moderators at the debates?

If an article appeared which did report what actually did happen wouldn't you call that a truthful article?

So if a liar claims he is telling the truth I see the validity of your criticism, but if the truth is being told and one calls it the truth does your criticism still apply?

You may feel free to deal with these questions as rhetorical.

You may have no reason to believe what happened whereas I was there for some of it and saw what happened with my own eyes.

Too much is at stake to quibble. Ron Paul supporters are not of one mind but most of them were astonished by the egregious behavior of the GOP at all levels. They were completely turned off by the GOP and cannot justify it being done. NO way will they vote for Mitt Romney and as much as they detest Obama and his policies they do hope that Romney loses and that Gary Johnson either wins or at least has more votes cast than Romney loses by. I don't know the name of the fallacy for this. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face comes to mind.

Did the GOP really think that letting Ron Paul speak at the convention for fifteen minutes would have cost Romney the nomination or the election?

The GOP should have let him speak and shouldn't have played with the delegates. Romney still would have gotten the nomination and the Ron Paul people would not have been hurt.

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Gary Johnson may not be the perfect candidate but so many people do not like either Obama or Romney that it is conceivable that if Johnson could only get his message out ...

[blackhorse]

I like Gary Johnson, but I don't want to re-elect Obama because of naive idealism.