Paul Ryan's Objective Virtues

[Selene]

Gotcha gotcha! Look everybody! Adam says that Obama presidency hasn't failed!!

With apologies to Emily Dickinson, how can I refute that improper conclusion, let me count the ways...wow I passed twenty-five (5) and ran out of appendages...

Apologise to Emily all you want, but Elizabeth B. Browning's husband will still be steamed,

Ouch...I always get that one wrong...Sorry Liz, not Warren, I am poetically challenged.

[caroljane]

Dear Brother Adam,\\\\

If you have run out of appendages you will just have to run your Workshop with the Ancient Native Art we have been making in Pottery and Ice Sculpture. Some of them are so creative, who knew that Grandma McAloon had an artistic side.

ISS

the other Gord

[caroljane]

"Ouch...I always get that one wrong...Sorry Liz, not Warren, I am poetically challenging"

=Adam

and your challenging is succeeding, at least with me. Everytime I step into the OL backyard where you stump, I automatically think of Obama as The Marxist,tho' outside the community limits I don't think about him much except as the current and maybe future Us president,an interesting and fairly disappointing public figure.

I was going to save this for the Election Party in Nov, but may have more Benevolent Sense of Life notes for you by then so I will say it now. Win or lose Obama will always be the Marxist to me and I have never read one word of Marx.

[Selene]

"Ouch...I always get that one wrong...Sorry Liz, not Warren, I am poetically challenging"

=Adam

and your challenging is succeeding, at least with me. Everytime I step into the OL backyard where you stump, I automatically think of Obama as The Marxist,tho' outside the community limits I don't think about him much except as the current and maybe future Us president,an interesting and fairly disappointing public figure.

I was going to save this for the Election Party in Nov, but may have more Benevolent Sense of Life notes for you by then so I will say it now. Win or lose Obama will always be the Marxist to me and I have never read one word of Marx.

Why thank you very much. That is high praise from a lady of you intelligence.

The marxist talked today about "economic patriotism." Can you define that one for me?

[Selene]

Here is an "economic patriot" from a Romney rally near Cleveland Ohio yesterday...

[caroljane]

"Ouch...I always get that one wrong...Sorry Liz, not Warren, I am poetically challenging"

=Adam

and your challenging is succeeding, at least with me. Everytime I step into the OL backyard where you stump, I automatically think of Obama as The Marxist,tho' outside the community limits I don't think about him much except as the current and maybe future Us president,an interesting and fairly disappointing public figure.

I was going to save this for the Election Party in Nov, but may have more Benevolent Sense of Life notes for you by then so I will say it now. Win or lose Obama will always be the Marxist to me and I have never read one word of Marx.

Why thank you very much. That is high praise from a lady of you intelligence.

The marxist talked today about "economic patriotism." Can you define that one for me?

No, I can't , this is a new term for me and I do not know the context. If you mean, getting free stuff from the government,, of course I get that. In both senses,

[blackhorse]

Selene, that video was both hilarious, frightening, and sad. At what point will the black culture embrace reason? WHY do 90% of blacks vote democrat?-it's like endorsing indentured servitude. Sad.

[Selene]

Selene, that video was both hilarious, frightening, and sad. At what point will the black culture embrace reason? WHY do 90% of blacks vote democrat?-it's like endorsing indentured servitude. Sad.

I have had this argument with a number of blacks throughout my entire life. I never back down from it. I was raised with zero prejudice. You were not permitted to to slur a man because of his race, religion etc. at our table. Frankly, it never made sense to me anyway.

When I attended NBI in freaking Manhattan, NY City and I could almost never find a black Objectivist, I knew that the problem was very deep in the black community. And that Objectivism should have been much more aggressive in penetrating that niche.

I was reading Message to the Black Man in America, while waiting to be seen at a hospital one day. There was a black Muslim sitting opposite me in the corridor and I would catch him quizzically looking at me and probably thinking, "What the fuck is this White Devil doing reading that book?"

Then a Jamaican nurse came out to usher me into the examination room and she said, in that wonderful "h"less accent....,

"Boy...wat you doin readin dat book?" I chuckled and explained that it had a lot of truth in it and once I got paste being called a White Devil on every other page, it was really informative.

She cracked up and so did the Muslim brother. When I came out, he and I had lunch and we were friends for years.

Unfortunately, there is a complete disconnect with the black voter and even the Libertarian Party. The Tea Party is making inroads.

I believe that the Republican Party should run Congressional candidates in every inner city district. For example, here in the 10 CD in NJ, the Republicans do not even put up a candidate. Now just a few months ago, Congressman Payne, who was the Rep for twenty (20) years passed away.

A special election was held...no Republican ran. His son got the victory. Until they go into the community and take it back E.D. by E,D., that disconnect will continue.

Truly sad.

Adam

[Peter]

Adam wrote:

She cracked up and so did the Muslim brother. When I came out, he and I had lunch and we were friends for years.

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Here is a true comment that may be a bit racist. The only black guy / white guy couples, outside of sports or work are “gay” guys. Though lately I have seen black and white guys together – sharing a love for dope.

My Mom was from liberal San Francisco and we were not allowed to say anything racist in the home. She blew her stack when I came home saying the N word at age three when my Dad was stationed in Norfolk Virginia (at Little Creek to be exact.)

[Peter]

I hope that didn’t piss off Adam. Now what would Adam and Paul Ryan have in common? A manly liking of The Duke.

Memorable John Wayne Quotes:

John T. Chance (Rio Bravo):

"Sorry don't get it done, Dude."

Sergeant John M. Stryker (Sands of Iwo Jima):

"A lot of guys make mistakes, I guess, but every one we make, a whole stack of chips goes with it. We make a mistake, and some guy don't walk away - forevermore, he don't walk away."

John Bernard Books (The Shootist):

"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."

Ringo Kid (Stagecoach):

"Well, there are some things a man just can't run away from."

Hondo Lane (Hondo):

"I don't guess people's hearts got anything to do with a calendar."

Hondo Lane (Hondo):

"Yup. The end of a way of life. Too bad. It's a good way. Wagons forward! Yo!"

Capt. Rockwell Torrey (In Harm's Way):

"All battles are fought by scared men who'd rather be some place else."

Colonel Madden (Back to Bataan):

"This kind of war, you've gotta believe in what you're fighting for."

Tom Doniphon (The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance):

"Out here a man settles his own problems."

Duke Gifford (Operation Pacific):

"He was a good man. Make sure that it says so on the patrol report."

Tom Dunson (Red River):

"Every time you turn around expect to see me. 'Cause one time you'll turn around and I'll be there, and I'll kill you, Matt."

Marshall J.D. Cahill (Cahill, U.S. Marshall):

"Cause even grown men need understanding."

Col. Michael Kirby (The Green Berets):

"Out here, due process is a bullet."

Col. David Crockett (The Alamo):

"Republic. I like the sound of the word."

Big Jake (Big Jake):

“There’s two reasons to kill – survival and meat. We need meat.”

And finally, some of my favorites from "McLintock" (1963). Starring John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara, Patrick Wayne, and Stefanie Powers. Directed by Andrew V. McLaglen.

George Washington McLintock (McLintock):

“Don't say it's a fine morning or I'll shoot ya!

I don’t give jobs, I hire men.

Somebody oughta belt you in the mouth. But I won’t . . . I won’t . . .the hell I won’t.

I give you my solemn word.

And I can’t help this stupid look.”

I think when I was about 15 I saw "McLintock.” I must have said, “Somebody oughta belt you in the mouth. But I won’t . . . I won’t . . .the hell I won’t,” about 16 times.

Inscription on Mr. Wayne's headstone:

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday."

Peter

[william.scherk]

I am more sanguine about stupid voters than Adam or Blackhorse.

Television in Canada on basic cable always includes the US major network programming, so we all know the voter with an Obama-phone and a reason to believe was referring to the government programme Lifeline that subsidizes cell phones. We have seen the commercials. Fox news gets to the heart of it:

The video is drawing attention to the government program — Lifeline — as a national debate unfolds on entitlements and the growing percentage of Americans who pay no income taxes and get a long menu of government benefits. But even though some beneficiaries may credit President Obama for providing the phones, Lifeline is an extension of a program that has existed since 1985. Still, critics including Rep. Tim Griffin, R-Ark., note the program has swelled from $772 million in 2008 to $1.6 billion.

“It's a government-run, taxpayer-funded program that's running wild and costing more and more,” reads Griffin’s official House of Representatives website.

Private carriers who contract with the government, including TracPhone and Sprint, have websites intended to publicize the program. Some attempt to dispel the program’s connection to the president, such as freegovernmentcellphones.net, while others, including obamaphone.net, embrace it.

What is surprising to me is that you guys south of the 49th parallel appear to have More Socialism Than Canada. What's going on here, fellas? We don't got no free phones up here as far as I know. We don't have a weird kickback to Sprint and TracPhone to hook up our feeble (and possibly deranged). The safety net is a larger weave up here, maybe.†

It makes sense for the private sector to get into bed with government in telecommunications if they get something from providing a service free or nearly free. I haven't found any trade-offs yet (what the companies do besides deliver the social programme by contract; the companies take no risks, it seems). Sprint et al get that business intangible Good Will, and if we are to believe that this lady represents 47% of America, simpleminded and able to be bought off, Obama gets enough votes to tip it his way, from handouts.

That the danged phone-subsidy programme for low-income consumers started in 1985 on Reagan's watch is neither here nor there, of course.

What was the altruistic point of Lifeline in the first place? **

Asked: "At what point will the black culture embrace reason?" and all I can say is that it can't, 'cause it is black. The same dang culture that gave the world Louis Armstrong and led to Kazakhstani Hip-Hop, reduced to old black ladies who know a good thing when then see it, in re Obamaphone. As to "WHY 90% of blacks vote democrat?" -- haven't you already answered that question: Goodies!

I have had this argument with a number of blacks throughout my entire life. I never back down from it.

Mitt needs to come out firmly against black culture and Obamaphones, maybe.

_______________

† The mandarinate in Ottawa and the provinces is different than the USA. Different acronyms, different administrative structure. In truth the Canucki equivalent of the FCC (for which there is no equivalent) mandate extends the same presumptions of the 1996 update to your communication law -- it directs 'equitable service' to the regions, including the Far North, and heavily invests in making schools and libraries universal access points, and also subsidizes high-cost areas otherwise in all telecommunications. The idea is that shitholes in northern Saskatchewan or Nunavut should have the same access as Yonge and Bloor. No crazy blacks with bags full of free phones roaming our cities, however.

** This provides the rationale, such as it is, from the Lifeline website at the FCC: fcc.gov/lifeline:

As a universal service program that fulfills Congress’s mandate to ensure the availability of communications to all Americans, Lifeline for the past 25 years has helped tens of millions of low-income Americans afford basic phone service. Access to telephone service is essential for finding a job, connecting with family, or getting help in an emergency, and the percentage of low-income households with phone service has increased from 80% in 1985, when Lifeline began, to nearly 92% last year.

[still doesn't answer the question of where the money actually comes from. It is actually collected from the consumer in something (look on your phone bill) Universal Access Fee. This is paid into the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company. All this according to the FCC and to Wikipedia. Everybody pays except black people.]

The USAC receives contributions from all companies providing interstate and international telephone and Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) service. Contributors send payments based on projected quarterly earnings. This revenue is deposited into a central fund, from which the USAC distributes money to the four central services at the core of the USF: High Cost, Low Income, Schools and Libraries, and Rural Health Care.

Here are a couple of competing products, from CBS Atlanta and from FoxNews 45. Black folks abound in both reports.

Edited September 30, 2012 by william.scherk

[Peter]

Sheesh. That Baltimore Fox station’s lady reporter is something to look at. I get one Balto station on my cable but I have never seen that blond babe before.

Obviously the emergency cell phone idea is a good one, sort of like Orphan Drug Laws, or emergency room – you must be admitted if you are dying – laws which are benevolent but someone needs to put some controls on the giveaways.

Peter

[caroljane]

Adam wrote:

She cracked up and so did the Muslim brother. When I came out, he and I had lunch and we were friends for years.

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Here is a true comment that may be a bit racist. The only black guy / white guy couples, outside of sports or work are “gay” guys. Though lately I have seen black and white guys together – sharing a love for dope.

Interesting anecdotal evidence. What is your methodology? Do you observe the pair closely until you determine whether they are gay, druggies or just deluded sorts with no racial pride?

[Selene]

Adam wrote:

She cracked up and so did the Muslim brother. When I came out, he and I had lunch and we were friends for years.

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Here is a true comment that may be a bit racist. The only black guy / white guy couples, outside of sports or work are “gay” guys. Though lately I have seen black and white guys together – sharing a love for dope.

Interesting anecdotal evidence. What is your methodology? Do you observe the pair closely until you determine whether they are gay, druggies or just deluded sorts with no racial pride?

Carol:

I was frankly astounded at that post by Mr. Taylor. I will reserve any comments until he qualifies that post.

Adam

[Peter]

Carol gave me a wedgie:

Interesting anecdotal evidence. What is your methodology? Do you observe the pair closely until you determine whether they are gay, druggies or just deluded sorts with no racial pride?

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Adam responded:

I was frankly astounded at that post by Mr. Taylor. I will reserve any comments until he qualifies that post.

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I noticed self segregation while teaching school. Go to any High School lunch room in any municipality, north, south, east, or west (and perhaps even in Canadia) and I bet you will see “the races” sitting at different tables. It is universally understood that associating with different races can put the mingler into a different socio-economic class, or a different social class. Dad’s everywhere sputter in disbelief and anger if their daughter starts dating a person from a different race, class, economic status, etc. Overt racism as regards interracial dating is pandemic in the orient for example, so it is not a local red-neck phenomenom.

Gee sie burschen. Sind sie nur ironisch? Gee you guys, even Der Fuhrer would accept my John Wayne quotes as ironic payment for any perceived wrongs or racist drivel.

OK, Adam. Blast away. Did you and your Black Muslim, racist friend smile shyly at each other? Ahhhh!

Peter Taylor

[caroljane]

You are wrong about Canada, at least. I live next door to a high school and I don't know if there is a cafeteria, but at lunchtime they all seem to be out at the pizza or Chinese takeouts. I also am on the bus with them frequently (not a schoool bus!) and the friend groups are more than half racially mixed. Against your universal assumption of adolescent self segregation I will offer the example of my own sons. The younger out of a group of about 10 friends from grade school up (he is 28 now)two are black, one is Asian and two are Persian (twins with Irani parents). athe rest are white. Of course there is self-segregation invlved but in this case it is pure jingoism. An East Yorker of any colour or creed is superior to anyone from Riverdale, downtown or (gasp) the West End... and as for Scarborough...beyond the pale.

I do not hold up Toronto as multicultural paradise because it isn't, and of course kids (and adults) like to be in a peer group with common sensibilities. I am just saying that here, at least, although bigotry and xenophobia do exist, they are not predominant or considered "natural".

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Peter,

You left out cop movies and cop TV shows. Hell, even comedy ones like Psych.

Michael

[caroljane]

In fact, if you ever saw "Kids of DeGrassi Street", I live 3 blocks away from that street, literally.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

It's funny. I became sensitive to this because of a Palestinian (Brazilian, actually, but either first generation or immigrant to Brazil as a child--I never did find out). He was the guy who taught me movie-making in Brazil (his name, Fauzi Mansur).

He was making a kickboxing movie and was mulling over whether pairing a white guy with a black guy as a hero pair would bring more audience.

He eventually decided against it because he said that Brazilian racism is different than USA racism. Brazilian blacks were not motivated enough to go, in significant numbers, to see a black action hero in the movie theaters--and Brazilian whites weren't either, but for a different reason.

From that time on, I started noticing.

Michael

[Peter]

Michael wrote about my disagreeing that humans normally desegregate:

You left out cop movies and cop TV shows. Hell, even comedy ones like Psych.

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True. There is an agenda of inclusiveness in the media some of it for Martin Luther King’s “good intentions” and some of it for a sinister, conspiratorial agenda. I think Michael was the one who referenced the link to an article about what percent of American TV advertisements have blacks in them, (fifty percent though Negroids compose twelve percent of the population) just to get Obama reelected. And I want to emphasize that I would not discriminate against anyone based solely on the color of their skin. Or piercings. Or Tattoos. Or how god awful ugly they are, even if they are a Caucasoid. I am not seeking to denigrate anyone from a mixed racial background, or any Objectivist’s abhorrence of stock yard collectivism, yadda, yadda, yadda. To get even for years of abuse I suggest black drivers honk their horns when they see a “honkie.” Just kidding, teacher, leave them geese alone.

I was watching ABC I think and I noticed three commercials in two hours with interracial couples – all of them with a black man and a white woman. None of the white women were grossly overweight (which is against the norm, Carole in Canada. Why do black men marry fat white women? To get to the higher socio-economic class perhaps. Why do white woman, against their nest building instincts and quest for a rich, good looking competent man date or marry lower status black men? Say it. Make my day and say it.) And all of the black men looked prosperous or at least middle class in the commercials which is also against the norm. White or Asian women with lots of prospects are not inclined to live with black men, because of the way blacks look, the loss of social status, greater likelihood of having kids who are morons, or prevalence of violence in the black race, etc. . . .

I know. I know. We can’t say blacks are more violent. But Jesse Jackson can ‘cause he’s black. I could not find the quote, but essentially Jesse says he would be vigilant if two white youths were behind him on a city street but he would be very alarmed if two black youths were behind him in Harlem.

Speaking of Jesse’s I am reminded of the late Robert B. Parker’s character of Spencer who has a black friend and associate “Hawk,” and a white leading man called Jesse Stone. I loved his books, may he rest in peace.

I read Robert B. Parker paperback, “Family Honor,” Berkley Fiction, $7.50, $9.99 in Vancouver and B.C, Carol. It was written, if I heard correctly, at the insistence of one of the author’s biggest fans, Helen Hunt of TV’s defunct program “Mad About You,” and that Oscar winning film, with Jack Nickelson. She called or met Parker and asked him to write a novel she could make into a movie, with her in the juicy, leading roll, of course – and he did! The book was excellent. Helen Hunt was to play a character named Sunny and here is an excerpt from the beginning of the book, page 4:

“Sunny’s sister was four years older than she was. God, she must have hated me when I was born, Sunny thought. It doubled the competition for Daddy. To win him, they had devised different methods as they had grown up. Her mother, impregnably married to him, persisted serenely in her noisy self-contradictions. Elizabeth, apparently convinced that nothing succeeded like success, tried to be like her. By default Sunny was left to emulate her father. Their mother dressed them both in pinafores and Mary Janes. Their father had built them a large dollhouse, and Elizabeth, with her long curls, had spent hours with it, manipulating her dollies. Sunny had worn her pinafores to the pistol range with Daddy, and while she was too female to be butch, she reveled in the androgyny of her nickname. And she learned to shoot. If one approach worked better than another, it was never evident. Her father persisted in loving his daughters as unyieldingly as he loved their mother. There was something frustrating in it. What you did didn’t matter, he loved you whatever you did.”

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And this is a quote from the Robert B. Parker Jesse Stone novel, “Death In Paradise,” pages 81 and 82. It is somewhat risqué, so beware. Lilly is a divorced High School principal. Jesse is a former minor league baseball player, who for too brief a moment, was a big league player, but now, he is a conscientious small town sheriff. The two protagonists, have dated once and felt an immediate spark. Now she has invited Jesse to dinner at her house.

“I have made us a lovely supper,” Lilly said.

“I could use one,” Jesse said.

“But if we eat it first,” Lilly said, “we’ll both be thinking about afterwards, and how that’s going to go, and won’t be able to enjoy the dinner as we should.”

“That is a problem,” Jesse said.

“So I think we should have the afterwards first. Then we’d be free to concentrate on the lovely supper.”

“Sure,” Jesse said.

Lilly put down her champagne glass and stood.

“Follow me,” she said, and walked past the kitchen counter toward her bedroom.

He felt the familiar smooth curve as he ran his hand up her thigh. The familiar soft slope of her belly. He had done this often. This time, like each, it was brand-new. He could hear her breathing, felt the pressure of her hips, she was skillful and fully engaged. The part of him that was not making love smiled. Didn’t matter if she was skillful. His father used to say, “The worst piece of ass I ever had was excellent.” There was always that part. The one that wasn’t engaged, whether it was love making or fighting. There was always the amused, non judgmental ‘other’ observing it. He wondered if she had an ‘other.’

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That makes me horny. Here is a Prophecy and fig leaf (or is it a palm leaf? dig, dig) for Adam with the hateful, black Muslim friend:

Obama is defeated after Mitt selects Paul Ryan as his VP thanks to Ryans love of the novels of Ayn Rand.

Chaos reigns in the Democrat Party. Rancor. Finger pointing. Like Susan Sarandon who has threatened to leave the US if Mitt is elected, many blacks decide to leave after a Romney victory. A disheartened Obama with Moochelle, Al Sharpton, Charlie Rangle, Jesse Jackson, and the whole Trinity Church of Chicago depart for Africa.

The new tribe hunts zebras and warthogs with bows and spears of their own design. Life is as it used to be before Fish-belly Whitey stole these noble Africans from their homeland.

At night they sit around the camp fire smoking ganji and remember the good old days. “Say, what was better, KFC or Popeyes?”

Charles Barkley takes another puff and says to his buddy Barack Huessein Obama (BOO to his friends), “KFC. I sure miss Tiger Woods. He used to be my friend. Whatever happened to us?”

end of prophecy.

Get ‘er done, as Larry the Cable Guy mutters. Forgive me Lord for what I just said. That ain’t right, but doesn’t humor let you get away with a lot?

Okay. I am sorry for my boorish remarks Adam.

Peter Taylor

[caroljane]

What was the point of the Parker quotes? He isn't much of a stylist. If that woman was "impregnably" married, how did she have two children?

Your own remarks on race are beyond boorish. I don't know what it is like where you live, or how you receive your knowledge of the world outside of it. but not much seems to have gone into your mind or to come outof it.

[caroljane]

And your smug collectivization of interracial couples into a "norm" of your own devising leaves me quite breathless. And I am not even fat.

[Peter]

Carol wrote:

Your own remarks on race are beyond boorish. I don't know what it is like where you live, or how you receive your knowledge of the world outside of it. but not much seems to have gone into your mind or to come out of it . . . And your smug collectivization of interracial couples into a "norm" of your own devising leaves me quite breathless. And I am not even fat.

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Do I count “those people” in those circumstances? No. Hmmm. You are counting yourself in the group that is in an interracial relationship (or is that just socialist solidarity) yet you say you are not fat as proof of the silliness of my assertion. Are you one of those Canadian Injun lovers Pilgrim? Do you rely on what you see, hear and learn, Carol? Of course you do. Can a comment be sexist or racist and be *true* at the same time? I am thinking about that fellow Akin running for The Senate in Missouri. He thought out loud that a woman is less likely to conceive if she is raped and more likely to conceive if her “bell is rung” in the back of a Buick or in the sanctified bed of marriage. There may be some truth to that but I won’t argue his case . . . except. . . I‘ll bet you saw this coming . . . to say that recent research, with a large sampling, using computers and cameras measuring sexual interest, as with pupil dilation, showed that generally men are attracted to women and women are attracted to men and women. The evolutionary explanation could be that in primitive hunting and gathering, (ye olde “cave man days,”) women needed to stay constantly lubricated to avoid injury during intercourse. Perhaps woman on woman attraction and bonding was also a survival advantage for the woman and her offspring. Certainly, the renowned anthropologist and snoop dog, Charlie Sheen, would agree.

So is saying, “White men can’t jump” racist? Need every sentence be prefaced with a Politically Correct disclaimer? If an observation is couched in medical jargon is it OK to say: “Some races have arm and leg bones and tendons longer than other races, thereby making them stronger and better able to jump higher? Their twitch response or “speed” muscles are also faster thereby giving them an unfair advantage at the Olympics, and playing basketball, and football.” Is a xenophobic intent to harm the deciding factor as to “a fact” being racist?

I bet Ed who started this thread is not pleased so I will stop rambling and wondering for now.

“To boldly go, where no one has gone before . . .”

Peter

[caroljane]

I don't think Ed would care, anyway it is your free speech, and it is my free speech to smack you around for what you say.

My remark about not even being fat followed on the "breathless" comment. ie, I was out of breath not due to obesity but to the boorishness of your comments. Not that it is any of your business but I am not part of an interracial couple. How do you know I am not black anyway?

Given the self-segregation that you describe so well in your own surroundings, I would bet I have seen (in fact I have known) more interracial couples than you. Without staring so hard at them as to ascertain relative fat-muscle ratios, you are wrong.

I have observed however that black or white there seem to be more fat women around than fat men. I have no idea if this is statistically true. Maybe the fat men just die early, or stay home all the time.

[Peter]

Carol wrote:

“On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me . . .”

Then Carole wrote:

How do you know I am not black anyway?

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Your picture in the rocker, looking like Mrs. Norman Bates is enough proof for me. My computer service has been down on all day. They said it was my modem and they will be out tomorrow to fix it, but suddenly I am connected to the world wide web after my complaint. As another song goes, “How can I miss you if you don’t go away?” So, did you miss me?

There is no conveyed “color” on the internet, with a few exceptions from vernacular, admission, photo, etc. A former Miss Harlem, a Miss Bean if I remember correctly was briefly on Objectivist Living. Gosh, she was purdy. Now there was one fellow on the old Atlantis, Larry Fullmer who was black and sounded black when he wrote, but I did not save any of his letters.

The only reference to him I could find was this old letter from Bill Dwyer on Atlantis:

For those on this list who are not already aware of it, Larry Fullmer, a former poster, better known for his foul language and drunken diatribes, was reported to have committed suicide in a dramatic confrontation with police in Pocatello, Idaho.

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The supplied link no longer works but I remember film of shirtless Larry waving a pistol and ranting in front of the cameras before he was shot. It was gruesome. RIP, Larry.

No wonder so few people of color are Objectivists.

Peter