Strictlylogical

50 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

This message is The Great Reframe.

 

Michael

Technically speaking there would be no reason why a competitor “money” could not start up, one which works using the same principles and methods as bitcoin.  I gather no one has set out to do this yet?

18 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

s,

Think irony and sarcasm.

The aliens thing becomes really clear if you put the following phrase in front of Tucker's most perplexing comments about it: "If the aliens story was not misdirection and was true, then..."

 

Michael

Naw.. Ima double down on my post..

Tucker said:

 "Revealed"

"Clear he was telling the truth"

and

"actually real"

WAY too much naivete or bluster or both.

14 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

YES!!!

Tucker on Twitter.

And blowing the Ukraine Predator Class bullshit sky-high while he is at it.

 

Michael

Not too happy with the way he broached the "aliens" bit... his presentation (whether intended or not) emphasized "aliens" rather than "media suppression".

He should put on the Sherlock Holmes hat and ask what should happen in a world with truly free press, one that is meant to inform individuals, and having no other purpose?  Surely there would be more stories about this person's claims, pieces looking into his credibility, following up on corroborating or non-corroborating sources, maybe even ridiculing him in fluff pieces, "Sparky gets a doghouse outfitted with solar panels, and in other news man claiming to be whistleblower cries out ... Aliens!"

Instead, the tone, or line of reasoning, or emphasis ... panders to the less than admirable parts of all of us, prone to alarmism, prone to non-critical thinking, prone to Disney Epistemology (or QM Epistemology for that matter) if you or Walt Disney can imagine it, it's possible....  i.e. this stuff is possible oh ... BTW AND it is being ignored... suppressed.. on purpose.

A clear and proper statement is that this is likely false and not possible, but this guy speaking out IS a story... perhaps a BIG one, even if you think it funny or sad... and the media's role is not to suppress or police information.... a truly free press WOULD NOT suppress and police information.... ergo... currently the legacy media IS NOT an example of free press in a free society.

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

S,

Then money and sex and power arrive...

It happens.

And let's not forget vanity.

 

Michael

I would agree that those things weed out the unprincipled ones.

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I hope this is temporary, but, sadly, it ain't looking good.

MTG Says She’s DONE With Steve Bannon

MTG Says She's DONE With Steve Bannon

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Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is looking to separate herself from MAGA media figures such as Steve Bannon. New leaked text messages reveal MTG messaged Rep. Matt Gaetz and stated:...

 

 

The good part for me is that Trump is silent on this so far.

 

Michael

I wonder who at root is actually more principled...

Bannon or MTG...

only those who have known them for a greater part of their lives would likely know that for certain.

A hypothetical litmus test I use sometimes is to ask whether a person would be just as happy: being anonymous / having the cause message or thing done, versus being visible personally, and famously as having taken part in it. 

Principled people are not out for fame or credit but the aims, goals, and principles for which they are fighting.

On 6/3/2023 at 8:29 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

MTG has fallen from grace with the MAGA crowd.

She supported the bloated budget bill, and now she thinks they should not release all of the J6 footage.

Hell and damnation.

I hate to see this, but it is what it is.

Michael

aw geez say it ain’t so…

is she a plant or a Desanctimonious creature or genuine but just off on a few specific issues?

nvm

2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

S,

There was a time when people could not imagine living without Kings and Queens.

That changed. 

 

And still the Predator Class is trying to sneak a world dictatorship of technocrats past everyone.

 

Now people cannot imagine living without money controlled by central banks.

But guess what? If the Predator Class cannot control the money supply and administration, they cannot steal it from everyone and pay for their evil plans.

No money, no honey.

It's a simple recipe...

 

Michael

Yes.  

I’ve heard it said Control the money and you control the world, but as long there is free will you cannot control the money without already controlling everyone in the world… the biggest blind spot in those wanna be psyops overlords is they do not see that in the final inch humanity will not be controlled… a desire for freedom is not a bug, it’s a  feature built into every one of us even if we forget from time to time.

8 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

S,

Yup.

There are lots of others, too.

Also, watch any video with Max Keiser, Michael Saylor and so on. Michael is a person who has been interviewed by The Atlas Society discussing this very thing.

 

Michael

I've never been the kind to take a stand against natural temporary so-called monopolies, but it seems to me that recent history has illustrated that individuals should take the time to foster a sort of local, independent, thriving economy-system, with diverse individual citizens and small businesses interacting in the real world, rather than allowing themselves through laziness to get addicted to an isolating and monolithically centrally planned set of distribution systems...

not sure if I have stated that clearly...

5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

This video is hilarious.

Max and Stacey talk about communities of losers as a sign of the collapse of the dollar and fiat economy.

Another sign is the fentanyl crisis where the industrial middle class was gutted.

Another sign, of course, is the explosion of crypto shit coins.

And it's all out in the open for all to see who have eyes...

Enjoy.

 

Michael

Has anyone wrote about the relationship or correlation between decentralization  ( and although I hate to say it) / diversification and freedom/humanity?  

3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

they need customers, not overlords

I never thought to hear such a thing stated in earnest, let alone ever to live in a time when it needed to be said, nor in my wildest dreams thought I would smile so much as so simple and obvious a statement. 

chuckling and smiling,

SL

4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

So far, I only watched this video to the end of the Steve Bannon interview segment (about an hour from the beginning), but I am enormously pleased to see Steve Bannon and Mike Adams united.

BBN, May 19, 2023 - We are the WHITE HATS who must RESCUE the Republic! (Feat. Steve Bannon)

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Each of these men have massive audiences and they are all in for Trump.

They discussed the political landscape in the same manner I see, not in terms of what I want first, but in terms of what is real.

The main two enemies of the American government and MAGA are the Chinese Communist Party and the Deep State (or as Bannon calls it, the administrative state). Both Steve and Mike agree with this. (I agree, too.  )

 

On top of that, I was very interested in what they had to say about Elon Musk. Neither of them likes Elon, mainly because of his ties to CCP money.

I, right now, lean a bit more in favor of Elon. It's not because I ignore this tie or ignore that I am disgusted Elon will not allow Mike Adams on Twitter, but my reasoning is you fight a war with what you've got, not with what you want.

The choice with social media--mainstream social media--is the woke social media of the Predator Class or Elon Musk. For now, neither will go away by wishing and both sides are going to have a huge effect on the 2024 election.

I fully agree we have to support alt media, and I do that all the time. And hell, I hammer the fake-ass news mainstream media every day. But that also means I have to have some notion of what they say. I can't just ignore them. At least not yet.

 

Why bother? Here's my reasoning.

At the end of Rand's life, she said the American sense of life is what pulls us through everything (and she said it is precarious and all the rest). What I see with Elon Musk is that, by allowing as much free speech on Twitter as he does, he keeps the American sense of life nourished both on that platform and on the part that bleeds off. He may realize the size of his mistake later if authoritarianism is his final goal, but currently, in the current state of cultural war we are in, I have to support one of our main weapons for the good guys, this sense of life.

But there's another side and it might make me look inconsistent. I am 100% glad neither Steve Bannon nor Mike Adams with their gigantic audiences like Elon Musk. I like that they bash him. I support them both bashing him even as I support Elon on Twitter.

Catherine Austin Fitts (a lady I love) uses an expression that is perfect for this level of conflict in public discourse on the same side: a Refiner's Fire. That comes from a Biblical passage (mentioned several places in Malachi 3), What burns off will be impurities and what will remain will be pure gold and pure silver.

Anyway, enjoy the interview. I, for one, loved it.

Michael

I agree with you there… gold and silver.

No one is wholly static, determined, or immutable.  We have identity, but we are free willed and by degrees self made and the interplay of what we are, what we are becoming, and the world that is, have periods of accelerated compounding causation… such as the “interesting times” of now.

It is the Times and Issues like these which are the crucible in which our characters are forged… it was ever true of the villains and heroes that arose in such times throughout history…

and that goes for Elon as well.  

With bated breath, my fingers are crossed but I am smiling rather than cringing.

Although Bitcoin cannot be stolen from you or seized,

in a surveillance state

your ability to transact through all the magic boxes can and would be limited, access to the net, banking, and transactional systems could be restricted to those willing to undergo  bio-verification or other ID protocols, 

transactions could require separate records of what you paid X bitcoin for, who you are, where you were when you authorized it

banks, banking systems, credit transactional systems etc.could be required to only authorize the initiation of transactions to people with social credit and who have not done, said, bought, donated to, the wrong things, in addition to the required biometrics or other ID protocols

if you did the wrong thing with your "bitcoin", sure they couldn't literally take it... but they could put it in prison by denying your access to the internet infrastructure, credit and banking systems...

although arguably better than CBDC, I'm not sure how much better it would be in a surveillance state.

Anyone want to present arguments countering this?

31 minutes ago, deanwins said:

I'll offer some bitcoin Q&A answers here.

Bitcoin software only relies on your ability to connect to one other honest person in the network.  It doesn't necessarily rely on the middle men carrying messages.  Originally the communication network didnt use public key encryption to verify the identity of other users (or verify their messages are from them)... but it could... if that became a problem.  For example some people communicate over TOR with bitcoin.  Bitcoin software just asks the world for the hardest-to-build blockchain, that has the highest tower of work built up.  One can verify for oneself with Bitcoin software which tower communicatedto you was the hardest to build.  No middle man information injection.

The magic box with lights tells me it is installing software that works in a certain way.

The magic box tells me the little lighted box on its face runs "Bit coin" stuff.

The little lighted box says things about security and keys... and appears to "work" .. it also does so apparently because of invisible spirit messages that pass between magic boxes and big towers with metal ears... and bigger boxes in big buildings.

The men who make and take care of the buildings,

the men who make and take care of the big boxes,

the men who make and take care of the towers with metal ears,

the men who invented and monitor the invisible spirit messaging,

the men who  make and take care of the little lighted box,

and the men who make the magic box with lights, 

they all tell me that I can and should trust them that I can deal and trade "directly" with another person, without any intervention or interference or invasion of privacy or interruption or error or bias or problem or fraud of any kind ... and they tell me the same promises were made to the another person by another similar or same chain of men... and boxes and towers and blinking things.

Never will there be ONLY two people, some equivalent of a piece of gold, and a direct meeting of the minds... in the context of any computationally dependent transaction.

Many will push a false credibility, a false idea of superiority, a false sense of infallibility, associated with AI.  They will proclaim that it is impartial, logical, objective... and no matter how much they can fool the masses into believing it is independent, they will directly or indirectly own every little part of it and everything it says, and it will eventually micromanage everyone into nonhumanity.

It's a slow progression from: We own the science -> we own the AI.

The Predator Class vision is this: AI government will become the new God for the slaves, while in fact being the farmhands tending the herds on their behalf... of course they are so hypocritical as not to see anything morally wrong here.. quite the contrary, they are saving the slaves from themselves.

Our culture will either fall prey to this sort of thing or not...

either way, it will get what it deserves.

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Get a load of this.

Someone had the bright idea of running the Durham Report through an AI chatbot and aske it to summarize the report.

I got the following tweet offline.

Infowars did a story about this very tweet.

Coup Attempt Unveiled: AI Chatbot Analyzes Durham Report, Exposes Unjust FBI Probe Into Gen. Flynn

Coup Attempt Unveiled: AI Chatbot Analyzes Durham Report, Exposes Unjust FBI Probe Into Gen. Flynn

WWW.INFOWARS.COM

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'The investigation into Flynn was part of a larger effort by the FBI to undermine the...

The problem with this is that no link is given.

 

I found a more credible (source-wise) Tweet that used AgentGPT in answer to a tweet by General Flynn and the results were in the same ballpark. btw - The Flynn tweet includes a link to the actual Durham Report if anyone wants to make their own experiment.

Flynn responded to this one.

In case you feel lazy and do not want to go to Twitter to read it, here is the text below of the Montgomery Granger tweet:

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Have a Chat Bot analyze and summarize the Durham Report. I used AgentGPT and got this when I asked about the Top Ten points about General Flynn:
1. General Flynn was investigated by the FBI for allegedly being an agent of Russia.
2. The FBI did not have a legitimate basis to investigate Flynn.
3. FBI officials discussed ways to get Flynn fired or prosecuted.
4. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with a Russian ambassador.
5. The FBI's handling of Flynn's case was found to be problematic by the Department of Justice.
6. The decision to interview Flynn at the White House was made by FBI officials without proper authorization.
7. FBI officials kept key information from Flynn's defense team.
8. The investigation into Flynn was part of a larger effort by the FBI to undermine the Trump administration.
9. The FBI manipulated information to obtain a FISA warrant to surveil another Trump campaign advisor.
10. The FBI's actions in the Flynn case were criticized by the Department of Justice for violating policies and ethical norms.

END QUOPTE

 

Does anyone see warring chatbots in a "battle of the bands"--or maybe a game show--kind of thing the future?

I do.

 

 

Regardless, I believe this first analysis will open the door to a lot of stull like this and, hopefully, be a reason for the truth to come out in full about the Durham Report, meaning in this context that the bad guys finally get judged and punished. And no about of spin will shift the words to mean what they don't mean as is usual these days.

Michael

This is a clear signal of the utter decline of the west, abdication not only of individual personal judgement but of judgement as such.

17 minutes ago, tmj said:

Society presupposes middlemen ie division of labor. The test of whether or not Bitcoin is a secure store of value is more about the properties of the security of the mechanism than of the ‘inherent’ value of the thing itself. 
The context of sound money in a civilized society is always conditioned by the level of freedom in that society and not on the ‘value’ of money or currency, when the shit hits a fan you can eat neither gold or Bitcoin.

I think I grok the freedom loving aspects of Bitcoin, but .. I’m still a little fuzzy on ‘how’ it’s produced and a little afraid that a shaky power grid could render it as inedible as gold on a desert island. If the existential properties of a blockchain token (?) allow for the security and uncompromising ability of free use , I’m in and seems like a more than just a useful tool for a civilized society and human flourishing but a necessary one.

Pretty sure we need both and such a tool could/would ‘work’ synergistically to those ends , but we sure need a non shaky power grid , and not just mechanically not shaky , but non shaky as in a developed and sustained society that functions in a way that energy and power production are regarded as seriously as food production.

Sounds like too much central planning for my tastes.

I like the idea that some people grow food because other people eat and some people learn to cut hair because other people trade for haircuts.

The arrogance and hubris of technocrats thinking they can formulate the "correct" systems, the right centrally planned machine into which humans can be integrated IS the problem...

I don't want MORE of that to function as any kind of "production" or "distribution" system... if anything, at this point in history humans need decentralization, of government, of media, generally of any power, agency, network of relationships... of all so called "systems", decentralized back primarily to individuals, families and communities, and away from the central planners.

41 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

For example:

 

Michael

Will there ever be a version of bitcoin for which there will be absolutely no middle men? 

Once after having bit a little gold coin, I would simply trade man to man, real world stuff, on its being genuine.

If I am correct for a Bitcoin transaction, we send ones and zeros (keys or codes) over a third party device, over a third party satelite/cable/fiber ISP, to a third party repository/calculation house (computing platform) that does something and sends back verification or keys or codes back down the chain. 

Oligarchs and central planning tyrannical government are not only in the process of destroying money as such, they are and have also destroyed trust, so that any alternative appears not much better.

This made me smile, especially the grand refusal:

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

It just got worse.

Do They Have Any Fans Left? ‘Extinct’ Bud Light Now Facing Second Boycott, But from Leftists This Time

Do They Have Any Fans Left? 'Extinct' Bud Light Now Facing Second Boycott, But from Leftists This Time | The Gateway Pundit | by Bryan Chai, The Western Journal

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Bud Light is facing a new wave of criticism, but not from conservatives this time. Now the beer brand has apparently upset the LGBT crowd.

The left is pissed because Anheuser-Busch tried to do damage control. So the left is boycotting Bud Light.

What's the lesson in all this?

Easy.

A brewery should sell beer, not gender.

Anheuser-Busch is one of the largest beer sellers in the world. But it really sucks at selling gender.

Michael

Back in day clothing and toy companies got smart (tricksy?) when they realized they could reduce hand-me downs between boys and girls in the same family of they started selling the idea of "genderified" clothing or toys which previously were non-gendered... pink or blue of practically the same items would be sold rather than a single white one... they sold more stuff as a result... now they didnt resort to divisiveness and insults, they expanded their product lines "for" consumers... heh

Ina similar vein Anheuser-Busch could have left Bud Light alone as a "nontribal let the people drink it" beer, and started a new set of Tribal brands of beer... maybe with minimal changes to the recipe to reduce any additional manufacturing costs... specifically LGBTQ or Black or Female or whatever LEFTist segregated grouping they wanted... of course non-tribalists would stay away from such brands while tribalists could go and proudly consume them... there would a little backlash at AB doing this at all, but no where NEARLY as bad as the level of backlash that comes from insulting your existing customers and why they love the brands.  Tell your customers we don't need you and we don't want you to buy our products... and they should and will literally walk away.. and we have the evidence now.

Soooooo stupid.

2 hours ago, Peter said:

Hmmm? Rubio might be a potential candidate for Veep. I don’t think MTG has a hope to be Veep. Look up some videos of her doing loony things like yelling at people. She would not benefit Trump in his bid for the Presidency. And I can’t say I am for DeSantis either. Peter  

Marjorie Taylor Green: “It used to be that kids used to drive to school, they might have their hunting rifle in the back of their truck. Principals kept a gun in their office. Coaches might keep a gun and their office kids were protected at school. But Joe Biden passed gun-free school zones, and we were for the first time unprotected.”

And a few more quotes. Er? Guam is an American territory, Maggie.

“We believe our hard-earned tax dollars should just go for America, not, for what? China, Russia, the Middle East, Guam, whatever, wherever.

We can stand in line to buy groceries, we can stand in line to ride at Six flags, and we can stand in line for things that we think are very important.

I really hope that America can end the evil of abortion.

I'm proud to cosponsor the Life at Conception Act which grants rights to babies at the moment they are conceived, and the Born Alive Protection Act, that will protect innocent lives who miraculously escape death.”

From Newsweek: Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene's potential as a vice presidential candidate appears to have been dealt a blow in a new Rasmussen poll. A survey of likely voters from Rasmussen Reports and Political Media, Inc. has found that a hypothetical presidential ticket featuring former President Donald Trump and Greene would lose to President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. The Republican Party has only begun the process of selecting its presidential candidate—the first official primary votes won't take place until early next year—but Trump is the clear frontrunner in most recent polling. Speculation about who might be Trump's running mate—the so-called "veepstakes"—is likely to be rife as the GOP primaries begin in earnest, while Greene is a major Trump ally  who enjoys a significant national profile.

The Rasmussen poll asked 1,050 U.S. likely voters who they would vote for when presented with a hypothetical presidential ticket. The survey was conducted from April 27 to May 2 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percent.

The survey found a Biden/Harris ticket would defeat a Trump/Greene ticket with 44 percent support to the Republicans' 40 percent.

Two other potential presidential and vice presidential pairings fared notably better against the Biden/Harris ticket. Fifty-one percent of likely voters would back a Trump ticket with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis as his running mate, the poll found, while just 43 percent of respondents said they would support Biden/Harris.

Yeah...

So to prove your point, you write down some what she said looking for 

agreement AND dislike

and then show she does not have support

ok.

point unproven

If you want to say she does not have support just say that. 

Not some weird thing about dis-likability and agreement.

25 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Peter,

You convinced me. If the nightly news hinted at it, it has to be true.

 

Here's an idea,

Why don't we send more young American boys and girls over to Ukraine to stand by Zelensky and die for him if needed just in case. American boys and girls. I can't think of a more noble cause for the sons and daughters of our neighbors to die for.

And, money of course. Don't forget money from American taxpayers. It doesn't have to be the whole $100 billion this time. $50 billion should do the trick for the time being.

Michael

MSK:

Surely Putin or Zelensky or both are in on it with the Thing, if not literally part of the Thing.  Faking an attack, or failing at an attack, and who does it, (as long as no one important actually dies) really does not matter as long as it has the desired effect.

I am shocked the media would even hint at the puppet show having any puppetry whatever.   The audience should never see the strings... especially when they are tied directly to them.

9 hours ago, Peter said:

Nope. NOT gunna happen. She is disliked by even those who agree with her. 

Those who "think" they agree with MTG, and/or who delude themselves into the "idea" that they agree with her, may very well feel a dislike for her.

BUT if they were capable of introspection they would realize that their dislike stems from a disdain for people who speak their mind directly, without pretense, without playing to egos or status, without obsequious deference to her betters... they would realize they believe in "classes", in "pull", in "obedience" to others because of "who they are"... they would realize they do not really believe in Freedom for All, or Equality before the Law, or Individual Rights...  after all such things are inevitably so... "distasteful" and "impertinent".

... but they are not capable of such introspection, so they will pretend and believe they agree, while staring down their noses at her.

It's not worth our breath to consider those people so out of touch with what they really stand for, nor to bemoan their lack of support... they were never with what MTG represents.

9 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The reason I am harping on this is look what happened with the "shoot prominent people on your own side" strategy in the case of Szasz.

He fought against the Health and Big Pharma industrial complex by attacking prominent people on his own side with snark and arguments over nonessentials. 

Guess who won?

Hmmmm?...

We ended up with a holy nightmare.

 

It always works out that way when people erect hatred of a scapegoat as their banner instead of intention to defeat the enemy.

(The enemy loves it, though.  )

In today's case of the COVID bioweapon and the jab, the enemy is not made up of psychological facts and the people who talk about them. A vulnerability is not an enemy. The enemy is the Health and Big Pharma industrial complex allied to The Deep State and hostile world governments like Communist China. 

Storytelling-wise, the hater is actually a great foil for a character who sees the big picture. In a story, a foil is a similar character who deals with the same things as a different character, but in a different manner. A foil usually exists to highlight characteristics of the other character. The foil wants in general what the other character wants, but does it wrong and almost always loses.

Michael

I don't know if I want to get into it too much...

on the surface (summary) it seems to me like the Breggins are advocating for moral responsibility and free will in their critique of the book, accusing Desmet and Malone of ignoring such, and hence are victim blaming.  The implication by Breggins is Desmet and Malone are (knowingly or not) working for the predator class to excuse the atrocities thereof.

Is this a fair summary?

Oddly enough both sides seem to be raising awareness, however only one seems more concerned with fighting the black tide of death and the other merely with explaining it (and accidentally excusing it)?

For O'ists Freewill exists and is the only basis for moral responsibility and evil...

if Malone and Desmet do not believe in free will, that would be a big reason why moral responsibility and evil would be mostly absent from their works.

15 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I hate to see this happening to Desantis.

But it's true.

As Beattie said, once they are done with him, they will throw him to the wolves.

And he doesn't even see it.

Michael

Doesn’t running with the establishment deep state always come with whispers promising success and protection?

Little birdies telling him he will prevail… of course he doesn’t see it.

BUT do THEY see it?  Are they using him … and to what end?