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Brant said:
Muslims are a substantial (demographic) threat to a few European countries. Hamas is not. Those guys in Iraq are not. The last are top to bottom incredibly stupid. If there is one thing a state is good at is forceful and violent repression of force fed challenges to its authority. That Iraq is weak that way right now doesn't mean it will stay that way for long,This whole discussion reminds me of Gail Wynand and his final realisation that he had no power. Yes, it's possible to scatter the Islamic State (and I hope it happens. The value in it is that they don't establish themselves for any length of time, thus becoming increasingly legitimate as a Caliphate to Muslims worldwide.) but that doesn't mean any weakening of the global Jihad. The Islamic State is simply another jihad group, the most successful one to date. Scatter them, and the goal of establishing a Caliphate will still remain, and the numbers supporting the idea might have even increased. In Islamic history Caliphates were established exactly as is being played out in front of us. Through power struggles between Muslim groups and against infidels until one is established.
There are all kinds of bad things we can say about Muslims and how they sanction Jihad and other like crap.The Qur'an, the examples of the prophet, and the great Islamic scholars sanction Jihad, not everyday Muslims. Not every muslim is required to take part in the lesser Jihad, btw. It only takes a few to strike terror into the hearts of non-muslims. Only a Caliph has the authority to call all Muslims to war.
Only when you look closer it starts to fragment depending on where they are and what sect they belong to, etc.As pointed out, you can scatter IS to the four winds, but it doesn't fragment what we are up against. It is still there as cohesive as it ever was, because it exists in the minds of Islamic supremacists everywhere. When IS make recruits they do not make them from within the Islamic State. They make them from without, from the greater global muslim community, and they gain those recruits by appealing to the Qur'an, the examples of the prophet, and what the great Islamic scholars have to say. They think long-term and they are unrelenting. Smashing the IS won't stop them. They need to be demoralised as to the efficacy and morality of Islam itself. The dream needs to be smashed.
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Sorry it upset you, Brant. I disagree with your assessment though. Perhaps whoever put it on the net was showing the size of his dick, or perhaps not. Neither of us know. Nor does it matter. My motivation in linking to the video, which predates the Islamic State, was just to show the reality. If we lose this war against Islam, it will be because the West didn't face facts. Useful idiots aren't the ones who want people to wake up and smell the coffee, they are the ones who aim to keep people ignorant for the sake of feeling good. People such as the Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane who claims that the Islamic State has nothing to with Islam, or President Obama who says the same (if Obama is not complicit with the jihadists then he is ignorant like the Bishop), and all the other people who claim that Islam has nothing to do with it and that anyone who says it does is a racist, bigoted, Islamophobe. The world is rampant with it.
There is a program here in Australia called Q & A in which a panel of prominent people, drawn from scientists, politicians, journalists, activists, writers, artists, etc, are asked questions from a studio audience and viewers. First up on Monday was a teenage girl who asked about the Islamic State and the beheading of Robert Foley. I can't remember the exact question, but I remember the answer. First to answer was a Muslim woman from some Muslim women's institute. She started by saying that Muslims are horrified by the beheading, and then launched into a whole lot of moral relativism about Israel, Western atrocities, and how the West is just as bad, etc. Then she moved on to claiming the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam, and Islam teaches peace, etc. The rest of the panel all wanted to show their compassionate credentials and agreed with her. That young teenage girl would have gone away completely misled and still as ignorant as before she asked the question.
Michael says that the Islamic State is probably going to be the tipping point where opposition to Islamic supremacism comes flooding out. I hope so, but I think Michael is wrong. I don't think a sense of humanity is innate. I think it entirely depends on the ideas held in the mind. If that Muslim spokeswoman is typical of how Muslims are thinking in general, then there will never be any tipping point. A tipping point can only come when Muslims stop passing the buck for their religion and actually take ownership of what it is creating. Until then there will be nothing but a continuing deception and the ongoing moral relativist attack against the West.
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Gotta admit that after noting her boldness initially, this is way too much, and over the top.
More of a "look at me!" statement by this woman, that will turn off moderate Muslim women who may otherwise be sympathetic to becoming liberalized. It distracts, as Baal said.
That is pure speculation on your part as to her motivations. If she's simply motivated to get attention by shocking people she could do it with a lot less danger to her life very easily. Personally, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt until I know more about her (not that I want to) and can make a proper objective judgement. She may very well be motivated at her outrage at the savages. If she is, then I gave forgive her for her gross way of expressing herself outrage.
The beheading of Robert Foley was just a murder.
Please watch this video and then tell me if it's just a murder. Watch it all the way through. What's really noticeable, aside from the butchering of three Christians, is the casual nature of the crowd. It's like they are having a pleasant get together on a nice spring day. There are kids there, wandering among the crowd and up to the victims, as if it is all just a normal everyday thing. This is Islam in action. This is deserving of outrage and of much worse than crapping on the Islamic State flag.
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...life therefore feels hopeless, then it can only be properly dealt with by dealing with the problem that's causing the pain, and that requires the opposite of burying it in a great lake.
Geez, please look at what you just did...
No one...let me repeat, no one said anything about "burying," "avoiding," or, "not dealing with something."
Tell you can see that.
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Maybe I just didn't get it. I find the whole thing wanting. Pain over what? Complaints about what? Making your feelings less potent for what?
I think there's much more power in Monty Pythons "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life".
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I ran into that parable a good 20 or so years ago. It doesn't conform to life. It doesn't matter how broad your worldview is, some things can cause the most intense emotional pain. I don't see the value of trying to dilute it as opposed to dealing with it.
And diluting it is not a way of "dealing with it?"
It can be seen that way I guess, but that isn't the way I saw it. My point was that it doesn't matter how great a lake you are, emotional or psychological pain can be intense and hit at any time. In regards to Robin Williams and his depression, if its a chemical imbalance, then nothing can be done other than trying to achieve the right combination of chemicals. If the pain is the consequence of the loss of a great value, or the belief that a great value has been lost, or is unachievable, so life therefore feels hopeless, then it can only be properly dealt with by dealing with the problem that's causing the pain, and that requires the opposite of burying it in a great lake.
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Gutsy statement that could get them killed. Brave girls.
I agree! Terry Jones goes in the same category.
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I ran into that parable a good 20 or so years ago. It doesn't conform to life. It doesn't matter how broad your worldview is, some things can cause the most intense emotional pain. I don't see the value of trying to dilute it as opposed to dealing with it.
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Do you have any words of wisdom for the guy in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?
The original black and white?
Ooo, yeah... The remake just doesn't cut it.
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Do you have any words of wisdom for the guy in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?
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Well yeah, it's pretty disgusting, but less disgusting than beheading Robert Foley.
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They should meet and duke it out!
That's if they do mean a different Caliphate, as opposed to integrating with the Islamic State. A Caliphate needs a Caliph and Bozo Haram hasn't produced one.
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Richard:
Now come clean tell me you wouldn't want to spend a weekend with this kinky feminist Egyptian anti-Sharia bitch!!
WARNING GRAPHIC
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/25/Egyptian-Feminist-Poops-on-ISIS-Flag
Eeek! That's a bit scary, but good on her for doing what she had to do. She has something in common with Terry Jones.
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Britain will become more like Israel in dealing with Islamists. Are there any Islamists in Israel or just some Muslims?
When France realizes it's going to be literally taken over politically, it'll chuck democracy for authoritarianism.
It's going to be interesting.
--Brant
Jihad is a choice--the choice of death
If by Islamists you mean muslims who believe in the supremacy of Islam then sure, there's bound to be Islamists in Israel. Perhaps plenty of them.
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I hope none of these savages know how to fly these things, and that if they don't that they give it a shot. It might make for some entertaining diversions for Mr T's idiot program.
http://www.dw.de/islamic-state-captures-tabqa-air-base-in-syria/a-17874883
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And is still screwing up, which is why I think the context between Israel and somewhere like the UK is very different. Here's the tip of one iceberg in the UK. They are invoking Khaybar and Muhammad's slaughter of the Jews.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=63eHGJKInDE
Israel has nothing like that to deal with on the inside, but in the UK it has well and firmly taken root.
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Be more selective, screw " open" immigration, reduce the number of people allowed in (equally) but do VERY vigorous screening and INCREASE wait times. It is your country you don't even have to give reasons why an application is rejected. But whoever runs immigration should have Mossad like ability to do their research into applicants backgrounds. THIS is were the NSA should be concentrating their efforts for security, future citizens and new citizens. The tzairnoff (however you spell the bombers names)brothers should have never happened. Chechen rebels and affiliates? Really? Get real.
Can't argue with that, Jules. That's a bigger step in the right direction than simply locking up criminals.
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Hey come on dude...
You need to empathize with him.
From what I heard he lost ten (10) cartons of cigarettes on a soccer bet ... on the Hawthorn vs. Geelong game and because of losing all that dentention "money, e.g., cigarettes, his bitch broke up with him.
So c'mon, the guy was having a really bad day,
By the way, could you post some photos of Muslims who you wish to provide a safe haven for?
Thanks.
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Heck, he could've got ten cartons back from his Shi'ite booty stash. I can't empathise with someone who didn't use his common sense. Maybe he's an apostate.
I don't think it matters what a muslim looks like, so long as they transparently oppose Shariah and the jihad doctrines of their prophet. Apart from the Ayan Hirsi Ali's of this world, who I love, I'd welcome this guy:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2014/08/23/muslim-intimidation-eid-sermon/14445117/
But many of his harassers, if not naturalised citizens, should be deported, and the Imam arrested for harassment, or something.
And then there is this guy:
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Agreed! An end to multiculturalism.Well some European countries have even allowed Sharia law between muslims. Get rid of that.
I think that happens already.Enforce your own laws and don't give in to their demands.
How? Its easy to say deal with it, but actually tackling it is another story.Some areas have become "no go zones" for non muslims. Fucking deal with that.
The jails are full of muslim criminals, so they are arrested. The jails are also good recruiting grounds for jihadists too, apparently.A criminal is a criminal.
Agreed, but again, this already is the case.If they break your countries law fucking punish them like everyone else and tell them to go fuck their shitty culture, if they are offended they are free to leave.
Yeah, too often they are lenient on trouble makers at protests, but I don't see how making more arrests will actually do anything to decrease the jihad threat.If they start protests that turn violent arrest them.
Agreed, but I think that will just bring about a change in the behaviour of any likely trouble makers. If you are there to advance the jihad, in whatever capacity, you'll simply make sure you don't behave in ways that will get you deported.If they are there on work or student visas deport them.
I agree, for any serious criminal offence there should be a deportation if you are not a citizen. While these are all good things, I cant see that they do anything to lessen the growing jihad threat. I think that measures over and above what you've outlined are required.If they are immigrants revoke their citizenship and deport them. If they are born there charge and imprison them like anyone else.
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I never said that Israel doesn't count, nor did I say that it wasn't a reasonable argument to look at Israel. I said that I dont think that Israel is an equivalent context that can simply be transposed to somewhere like, for instance, the Uk. This is a reasonable concern I have, and I'm more than happy to be proved that my fears are unfounded. What does Israel do that the UK should start doing in order to counter their home grown jihad threat?
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Not only better behaved but I think they are truly grateful to be there. They do not "bite the hand that protects and respects them". We in the west could learn a lot from Israel's example.
I think Israel is a special case. How do you solve the problem in the UK? The UK is now a breeding ground for jihadists. Soldiers were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, supposedly to stop them from becoming breeding grounds for Jihadists, while the jihad threat grew and grew back in the soldiers home towns. This is just sheer lunacy. Israel is a relatively small place and highly militarised. It has evolved that way. What laws do you propose should be applied in the UK to combat the growing jihad threat there?
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True Michael.
I don't know what or how the Government can solve this.
The first step is to look at the problem for what it is. Until then, you may as well forget about solving it, because it just won't be possible to solve it.
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In other words, quarantine them. That's exactly the approach required, along with an explicit identification of what is being quarantined and why it isn't compatible with a civilised and prosperous world. That won't be happening any time soon though, Jules. Not until Multiculturalism, Environmentalism, Moral relativism, and all the rest of the bilge that is dominating peoples minds is gone, or at least has retreated somewhat. And as someone pointed out, Islam is now well established within Western countries itself:
I do not know what country you reside in Infidel.
If it is in the United States, then we can discuss who we are going to quarantine, where and for how long.
And, as you properly pointed out, why.
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I'm a kiwi living in Australia. What I mean by quarantine is simply what Jules advocated in leaving the Islamic world to its own devices. In other words, isolation. I think that stopping Islamic immigration is needed, withdrawing aid is needed, and kicking out anyone who advocates Islamic supremacism is needed. What might be needed beyond that, if anything, I do not know. That all depends on how bad things become. Bottom line though is, no defence of any sort is possible until what is wrong with Islam and the full nature of what is coming at us, is looked at squarely and honestly in the face. At the moment that isn't happening, and it looks like it's never going to happen. That doesn't bode well for the future in my opinion.
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I wonder how many supporters they have in Turkey.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/isis-islamic-state-surges-to-turkish-border
Massacre... a consequence of US leaving Iraq...
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Sorry if I mistook you.