pippi

Pippi:

Apparently, these are the average salaries for teachers in Wisconsin according to Teacher World

• Green Bay: $55,110
• Kenosha: $68,400
• Madison: $50,770
• Milwaukee: $54,620
• Racine: $49,710

Sources:

(1) Milwaukee Public Schools

(2) Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development

(3) Wisconsin's Worknet

(4) U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

These salaries appear not to include the "value" of the pension, health and benefit packages which can range from 10 to 20 thousand additional dollars.

Also don't forget they only work 9 months out of the year. The unions got greedy and need to be dissolved or reworked. They don't deserve well padded pensions, benefits and salaries if they are breaking the back of the state they work in.

Adam, the salaries I understand. They are well deserved.

They are well deserved depending on how well the INDIVIDUAL performs their job, making a blanket statement that they are 'well deserved' because they got a teaching certificate is just plain lazy.

MADISON, Wis. – Faced with a near-certain Republican victory that would end a half-century of collective bargaining for public workers, Wisconsin Democrats retaliated with the only weapon they had left: They fled.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

Supposedly over 25,000 protesters showed up at the state capital to protest modest cuts in union benefits and being denied their bargaining power as a union.

I say good, I was a goverment employee as a kid and I was paid minimum wage. Working for the state/government was never desired when I was younger, the pay was just way too low.

Now the pay and pensions are way beyond the private sector. It is wrong and the protesters in Wisconsin are being selfish.

IMHO

Pippi

If Mitt Romney (or his ilk) is the face of the tea party it will be all for nothing.

It is pretty disheartening if that is all the tea party wrought.

Beautiful picture it exalts the human spirit of ingenuity and progress.

Unfortunately the US has abandoned the shuttle program and has bastardized NASA

The former head of NASA on Tuesday described as "deeply flawed" the idea that the space exploration agency's priority should be outreach to Muslim countries, after current Administrator Charles Bolden made that assertion in an interview last month.

"NASA ... represents the best of America. Its purpose is not to inspire Muslims or any other cultural entity," Michael Griffin, who served as NASA administrator during the latter half of the Bush administration, told FoxNews.com.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/nasa-official-walks-claim-muslim-outreach-foremost-mission/#ixzz1DoXrQ7xw

The actors are much younger than I imagined the characters in Atlas Shrugged.

I went to the IMDB page and most of the actors were born in the mid 60's with the exception of the actress playing Dagney who is 20 years younger than them.

I would put most of the male characters in Atlas around 40-43 and Dagney around 30.

The movie looks very very good, I am happily surprised, I expected to be disappointed.

This Egypt thing (quintessentially illustrated by Clapper's claptrap about MB) is undermining the public image of Obama's administration in a manner that even repealing the health care bill will not be able to duplicate.

The words "botch" and "boneheads" come to mind.

Michael

I don't think at this point anyone will question Obama-they never have and never will.

Most are too scared of the race card to get down to brass tacks with this person.

It is part of the reason why this country has descended into a pathetic jelly mass of ignorance and denial. It is political correctness aka the fear of being sued.

I don't like Putin but at least he isn't afraid to be a man.

I don't see how any group calling themselves the "Muslim" brotherhood can be secular.

You all have cited many things I should read. But I don't think I will.

Either way.

Thank you

DNI Clapper retreats from 'secular' claim on Muslim Brotherhood

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper is backing away from comments he made Thursday calling Egypt's branch of the Muslim Brotherhood movement "largely secular."

"To clarify Director Clapper’s point - in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood makes efforts to work through a political system that has been, under Mubarak’s rule, one that is largely secular in its orientation," a spokesman for Clapper, Jamie Smith, said Thursday afternoon. "He is well aware that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a secular organization."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0211/DNI_Clapper_Egypts_Muslim_Brotherhood_largely_secular.html

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I think I just heard "Daunce's" head explode.

Michael Savage is another disc jockey blowhard who depends on the gain to overshout his thin and tinny callers. He is practiced at verbal bullying. I fail to see that attraction.

Have you listened to him over time? He is unique, insightful, incredibly intelligent and sometimes quite touching, today's show especially was very sweet.

He may be an acquired taste but I find it absolutely worth the effort.

You need to learn to read, write and think. As Phil told you, your looks won't last.

Ted are you an objecivist? Is Phil an Objectivist?

I haven't come across one person who will tell me they are an Objectivist here and that is kind of scary considering the title of this website.

I have heard from socialists and non comittals all over the place here-what is the point?

Pure Objectivism is basically undoable-the proof is in this forum

If some one starts talking about cells and organisms I shut down-cells and plasma aren't people

You all should rename this forum Academic Living and take it from there.

Hello OL folks!

Cells are living things with values in their own right. A collection of cells become an organism when they specialize and form structures that function to sustain a body.ady overly long, and I think you can make the connections.

Rand equivocates between life as a self-sustaining process and the life of an individual. She cynically manipulates our desires, not caring for us as individuals.

Rand exalted the individual-if you want to be validated as a worm - there are tons of places to assuage your sentiments.

They all in the .gov domain

I have not seen any immense faith in psychiatry among Objectivists.

I haven't seen any immense faith among Objectivists ;)

Shayne

True faith and objectivism are opposites, but what if you put your faith in Objectivism?

Guess you are sunk

I have not seen any immense faith in psychiatry among Objectivists.

Don't worry too much Pippi. None of your wages get garnished on account of me, Daunce or WSS.

I am not so sure of that.

Edited mean spirited post. No need for it.

Just food for thought, not advocating swallowing it whole:

mildly discontented grey area in between in fact reflects the most

accurate perception of reality."

Shayne

Of course depressed people are the most realistic in some ways but they also defeat themselves in many ways as well. IE they don't try because they don't see the point, they don't cultivate interests because they are too caustic to let themselves be vulnerable.

now I am rambling.

There is the one requirement that I've found difficult to overcome; You need the courage to never give up. It's possible.

-Shifty

Shifty that is a wonderful sentiment I find it difficult as well but if you think of it as a battle that seems to help

Thank you

They discharged me actually from professional help. I am thinking of doing CBT though because of exactly what you just said about thoughts.

The biggest problem is it seems to be a fact that I have no future in this country. My father, he seems ashamed of me... yet enlightened as well.

I feel doomed by facts, and sometimes I just want to flea to America.

You are young or maybe you are not-you still care what your father thinks-that takes a long time to shake.

btw america isnt too cool for fleas

seriously tho It isnt better

Wait a decade. Our textbooks these days are more about pictures and format than substance.

"Every man has somewhere in the back of his head the wreck of a thing he calls his education."

Too bad Ayn Rand didn't read Leacock. He could be right up there with Spillane on the A-list.

I think Rand would hate you-why do you want to post here? Your posts are tearoom pseudo intellectual fodder-I am sure there are forums that would be more responsive-google virtual smug cyber coffee hauses?

I dont get some of you

I am on min wage and get 40% or more taken out of my pay-dunce et al cannot understand-the puffy privileged are too complacent to even move, slothlike. I will continue to work but I hate the fact I subsidize the likes of the pretentious gits that post here

Where is your pride?

I fear too much, I fear this mindless hydra will enslave me because I'll never have the future I want if I don't just lie to these fools. I can't do that either.

I am left completely without much in the way of a course of action. I've become afraid to socialize, because people get so angry at my ideas.

Why do you care so much what people think and let yourself be at their mercy?

(btw I have the same issues)

My favorite Rand quote.

"My life is the highest of values, too high to give up without a fight."

Pippi mentioned my "stuffy tearoom" yesterday, but I guess she has edited it out, as I don 't see it now.

It is still there Sherlock.

ok Daunce-truce?

I will allow you to retreat.

Carol:

Now that was quite uncool.

Adam

Yes it was and I am not surprised.