Shayne, thanks, this actually started with a discussion i was having with Adam (Selene) about guns...just a few minutes, i think, before Loughner opened fire. Maybe he can collate it for you, even we unionized teachers have to work sometimes and I have to go to bed. Btw I'm a she, and to Ted and Pippi I say, nice advice you give to a respectable widow, do your mothers know you use such language? \ I will break down and say lol here. I stand by my thoughts and feelings on the issue at hand. what language?