Looks like we've got a mini-Phil now. I'm sure he's proud. On my view, the long-term hope for humanity is that people learn to follow reason and to know what individual rights are and actually start respecting them. Since I believe this, I spent two years of my free time writing a book based on many more years of my own independent thinking, hoping it would help. If you don't think this is good enough, tell me what else you'd like me to do. Perhaps you can give me some examples from your own life that I can learn from. Shayne -You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Humans are even more stubborn than horses. Tell me the title of your book and I would love to read it and talk to you about it give me substance over style or please stop insulting people here surprise me Start a thread with an original thought and let me know when you do I would love to see it. Post a url to buying your book or an excerpt? Everytime I read your posts I kick myself for reacting to them