Selene Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Michael, is that a response to what I just posted?A...Not really, ...But about deification of humans, I am all for it from secular point of view - Michelangelo, Puccini, Rand, Roger Federer, maybe even George Smith (though his fields of interest are not personally interesting to me) - they gives us what godliness looks like in real life.Ah, deification.So, can you be clear. The "deification" of Ayn, by some, is something you support?A...He does indeed support the deification of Rand, and, just as importantly, the demonization of Kant.JNow J...can we let him step into his own bear traps...now I have to bait the damn thing...You didn't think that he already stepped in it?!!!How mangled from stumbling and bumbling into multiple traps -- both those set by others and those of his own making -- does Newberry have to be to satisfy you?JLove the way you welcome an ally.If you noticed, I did not post much on this thread, since the "arts" are not one of my strengths. Moreover, I am informed from you folks who are closer students of this area and I learn from it.He appeared to make a direct comment about my reference to Ayn, deification and her "subjective issue."And the response to you was meant to be satirical.A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Alright, my apologies.J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Kamhi has a (relatively) new blog post in which she arbitrarily ignores her own very uptight and bossy rules about art by accepting mere illustrations that she likes as being legitimate art!JKamhi has a (relatively) new blog post in which she arbitrarily ignores her own very uptight and bossy rules about art by accepting mere illustrations that she likes as being legitimate art!JThomas Hart Benton seems to embrace what I'd call "Soviet Realism." Quite popular in the 1930s if not late 1920s. A counterpoint to that would be the Nazi man idealization. I think the first has a lot of workers working and the latter a lot of posing. Whatever the cultural issues and influences, Randian man too came not with any great heroics but posing and encompassing actual work more abstractly as she was much more into brains and creativity if only through lip service on the one hand and by virtue of her own staggering intelligence reflected in her fiction. A properly rendered heroic-humanistic expression of, in one case, a man is The David. The David is not compatible with Objectivist esthetics if we assume that since it was criticized for what made it so human in The Objectivist magazine--a look of modest worry and apprehension--Rand herself agreed with Mary Ann Sures who wrote the article ("Metaphysics In Marble"). Rand was ambivalent about true heroism preferring to create heroes who didn't have to be heroic because they were all right (perfect) inside. If not perfect--Dominique Francon or Hank Rearden--then things happened; sparks flew. Once the inside was made right then existential reality was something of a snap. Naturally, after a few loose ends were tied up, when that happened the novel came to an end. No fictional sequels to any of her novels has any literary or psychological justification. The sequel to We the Living, however, was Ayn Rand's own life. You see, Kira wasn't really killed by that border guard. Nor was Rand. Same person. I do think what might have killed Rand would have been to have learned that Leo had been executed in the 1930s. She died without ever knowing that.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Michael, is that a response to what I just posted?A...Not really, ...But about deification of humans, I am all for it from secular point of view - Michelangelo, Puccini, Rand, Roger Federer, maybe even George Smith (though his fields of interest are not personally interesting to me) - they gives us what godliness looks like in real life.Ah, deification.So, can you be clear. The "deification" of Ayn, by some, is something you support?A...He does indeed support the deification of Rand, and, just as importantly, the demonization of Kant.JNow J...can we let him step into his own bear traps...now I have to bait the damn thing...With an Ayn Rand doll?--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Now J...can we let him step into his own bear traps...now I have to bait the damn thing...With an Ayn Rand doll?--Branthmm Comen zee here Frank...NOW!!Damn I'm good!!A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Now, is this art?Win an Ayn Rand doll made by me!July 9, 2010 by Beth RobinsonJim Lantz, a local writer/director/producer, is doing some grassroots fundraising to produce his newest film “Hide Fox.”The script is a dark thrill ride that I could not put down until I had finished the last page. In this film, Ayn Rand is an accessory to murder… to put it very simply. To put it not so simply, it is a story about what we lose when indifference enters the conflict between art and economics.I was asked to create 2 Strange Doll versions of Ayn Rand for those who pledge certain amounts. The amounts vary as do the rewards. But I will be offering a small ornament sized version of Ayn with her bobbed hair and money pin or a full doll complete with a stand and little plaque that has the movie name. These commissioned dolls will be created for the backers who pledge $500 or more. So if you want a one of a kind doll of a very one of a kind woman, start putting some money in the hands of a very unselfish group of people who are creating Hide Fox.It is amazing when this stuff pops up!https://strangedolls.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/win-an-ayn-rand-doll-made-by-me/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 A properly rendered heroic-humanistic expression of, in one case, a man is The David. The David is not compatible with Objectivist esthetics if we assume that since it was criticized for what made it so human in The Objectivist magazine--a look of modest worry and apprehension--Rand herself agreed with Mary Ann Sures who wrote the article ("Metaphysics In Marble").I didn't think that Sures criticized the David for its containing what she interpreted as a bit of apprehension, but that she was simply noting, without making her typical rash judgments, what she observed and interpreted the sculpture as expressing.J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 A properly rendered heroic-humanistic expression of, in one case, a man is The David. The David is not compatible with Objectivist esthetics if we assume that since it was criticized for what made it so human in The Objectivist magazine--a look of modest worry and apprehension--Rand herself agreed with Mary Ann Sures who wrote the article ("Metaphysics In Marble").I didn't think that Sures criticized the David for its containing what she interpreted as a bit of apprehension, but that she was simply noting, without making her typical rash judgments, what she observed and interpreted the sculpture as expressing.JI went to the original article (Feb. - Mr. 1969) and you are right, but she said it reflected near-triumph as opposed to the implied full triumph supposedly superior but for the conflict between the extant secular and religious cultural attitudes of the time. For me there's perfection in human imperfection if the ratio between what is and might be is right for that's the springboard to action.The article is well worth reading, regardless, and I am reminded that all those old Objectivist articles going back to 1962 are. I can't say quite the same about what followed, even though Rand was the only author.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newberry Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.Oh no!!! Woe is me...Shane come back Shane ... but it's art don't run away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.Too trite to even be shameful.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.While we may not have always agreed... I always enjoyed your positive attitude. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 My wife and I went to the Getty Center to view the exhibition of JMW Turner's landscapes and seascapes. And then we looked at a "reinventing photo" exhibition. What a contrast between art and leftist crap. The former communicated fascinating engaging specific coherent intelligent visual and emotional messages from another time and place... ...while the latter was the random excrement splatters of simians.((interesting side note: Turner used no green in any of his paintings.)As far as we saw, this was about as close to green as he ever got.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 There's a whole range of greens in that image - from fairly saturated cool greens to desaturated warm greens. There are also some desaturated, warm, blues that look greenish.It's not uncommon for artists to use a limited palette and mix the colors you need. There are clear advantages to that in creating color harmonies.After reading the 75 pages here i'll have to take my hat off to Jonathan. He's convinced me to take abstract art much more seriously (maybe i´ll go and make some just for the heck of it).The funny thing is that I think representational art needs those abstractions to be great. A painting without rhytm is either dull or disorganized. Without color notes and harmonies it falls apart, just like a song falls apart if you play it on a guitar that's out of tune and missing strings. The painting also needs clear primary shapes and forms. Not to mention composition, and... well, you get the point.That really begs the question then, why cant - for example - Kandinsky's paintings read like symphonies? They do to me, many of them gay and frivolous. It's not really my kind of mysic, but I don't like "tiddlywink" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.While we may not have always agreed... I always enjoyed your positive attitude. GregI didn't and don't see that. All I saw was contrivance and refusal to defend and engage. One has to assume lack of ability to do those things as opposed to a mere lack of interest or why would he come here in the first place? He came to take a dump. At least that's his leaving.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 ((interesting side note: Turner used no green in any of his paintings.)...As far as we saw, this was about as close to green as he ever got.GregWhere did you come with that? Heh. Did you get it from someone at Prager "University"?Many of Turner's paintings contain green. Use your own eyes and look at them instead of believing falsehoods that someone has told you, or instead of misunderstanding what someone has told you.J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.While we may not have always agreed... I always enjoyed your positive attitude. GregI didn't and don't see that. All I saw was contrivance and refusal to defend and engage. One has to assume lack of ability to do those things as opposed to a mere lack of interest or why would he come here in the first place? He came to take a dump. At least that's his leaving.--BrantIndeed. Newberry came to pose and preen. That's all that knows how to do.He is so lacking in substance and intellectual honesty that he has had to resort to the lame, childish tactic of plugging his ears and pretending to not hear or understand reality and the relevance of the potent criticisms of his obviously false ideas and willfully unjust judgments. He came here to pretend that the devastating blows that were delivered to his irrational positions were mere personal snipings which he was above noticing (play-acting at being Howard Roark: "But I don't think of you"). He came here to try to construct the transparent fantasy that his evasions of substantive criticism were not due to his inability to answer and to his being stupidly, stubbornly wrong, but to those criticisms not being "fresh" and "engaging" enough for his high intellectual standards. Heh.He seems to believe that his childish tactics will fool people into believing that his hateful misrepresentations of others' ideas are motivated by something other than hate, smallness and insecurity. And perhaps he's also trying to fool himself in to believing that he has a "positive attitude" if he puts on a cheerful facade while being a douche.It's no surprise that he has fooled Apey Greg.J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's kind of funny but the people I haven't blocked (a wonderful tool, makes me smile every time I don't see blocked people's stuff) are not posting much here anymore. BTW, I tried really hard to find value in the posts of the people before I blocked them, though there were a couple of people I blocked from the get go, as I previous experiences with them. My visit here felt mixed but not good enough to stay. Maybe at some point new posters will come with fresh engaging ideas. Till then, cheers.While we may not have always agreed... I always enjoyed your positive attitude. GregI didn't and don't see that. All I saw was contrivance and refusal to defend and engage. One has to assume lack of ability to do those things as opposed to a mere lack of interest or why would he come here in the first place? He came to take a dump. At least that's his leaving.--BrantIndeed. Newberry came to pose and preen. That's all that knows how to do.He is so lacking in substance and intellectual honesty that he has had to resort to the lame, childish tactic of plugging his ears and pretending to not hear or understand reality and the relevance of the potent criticisms of his obviously false ideas and willfully unjust judgments. He came here to pretend that the devastating blows that were delivered to his irrational positions were mere personal snipings which he was above noticing (play-acting at being Howard Roark: "But I don't think of you"). He came here to try to construct the transparent fantasy that his evasions of substantive criticism were not due to his inability to answer and to his being stupidly, stubbornly wrong, but to those criticisms not being "fresh" and "engaging" enough for his high intellectual standards. Heh.He seems to believe that his childish tactics will fool people into believing that his hateful misrepresentations of others' ideas are motivated by something other than hate, smallness and insecurity. And perhaps he's also trying to fool himself in to believing that he has a "positive attitude" if he puts on a cheerful facade while being a douche.It's no surprise that he has fooled Apey Greg.JHe's probably blocked me too, but if not--here, read this too, N.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Where did you come with that? From viewing his paintings firsthand in real life.Many of Turner's paintings contain green.If that's true, none of them were in this exhibition. No one told us anything beforehand about the painter. That's what we actually saw. Once we noticed the lack of green, we made a game of hunting for it and surprisingly there was none to be found.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 After reading the 75 pages here i'll have to take my hat off to Jonathan. He's convinced me to take abstract art much more seriously He's a convincing peddler of leftist crap all right.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Where did you come with that? From viewing his paintings firsthand in real life.Many of Turner's paintings contain green.If that's true, none of them were in this exhibition. No one told us anything beforehand about the painter. That's what we actually saw. Once we noticed the lack of green, we made a game of hunting for it and surprisingly there was none to be found.GregWhat color then would the emerald green in the fishermen painting be, in real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 What color then would the emerald green in the fishermen painting be, in real life?Aha! He gotcha! Now if Selfish Sophist Frank were here, he would jump up and ask...What if Greg is color blind?Fair Warning Ice Person ... you are about to enter the gerbil wheel ...A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Are you saying I just got suckered into trolling? Darn it... Speaking of color blindness and greens... A couple of years ago I got a nice, green, plaid as a christmas present from my employer. I really liked it, so i've kept it around. When I had a couple of friends over they also commented on it, to which I responded:"Yeah, I like it too. And that green really goes well with the yellows and oranges...""Green?""Yes, the plaid.""It's not green""Yes it is""Nooo, it's grey!"And so on, and so forth, until I took a photo of it. Brough it into Photoshop, used the color picker, aaand; "Look, it's green!".Curious, I asked my friends at work the next day. They all agreed that it was grey. No doubt at all.I find it interesting that so many percieved that simple color wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moralist Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I didn't and don't see that. All I saw was contrivance and refusal to defend and engage.That's a likely reason why Newberry didn't bother me. I also tend not to argue with the understanding that no one ever changes their chosen view... least of all on an internet forum. Only real life possess the power to do that......with a 2X4 over the head! Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Are you saying I just got suckered into trolling? Darn it... Not at all.Frank is an OL member who is smart. Just get ready for a protracted "argument."A... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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