william.scherk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) ⚜ On 12/19/2018 at 10:22 AM, william.scherk said: Here is a possible paradox ... in what is called the "Backstop" in EU-UK negotiations. It concerns the changes that must and must not occur at the Ireland/Northern Ireland border. How can free passage of Irish EU citizens (Irish citizenship may be claimed by any Northern Ireland citizen) to and from the UK be maintained after a Brexit deal? Moreover, how can the border be maintained/done away with if there is a no-deal Brexit? The United Kingdom is due to depart the European Union on March 29, or I should say scheduled to depart. There may very well be a delay of the date on the calendar of three months. Basically, the Prime Minister's first 'plan' failed to pass the Commons. She is presenting a tweaked 'plan' for a vote presently, and will then offer a 'no whip' vote on a delay measure. In between, she has planned a vote to see if parliamentarians are up to approving a 'no-deal' deal -- ie, crashing out of the EU, proceeding without a map of transition or any formalized divorce agreement. So, everything is going along so far so good. On the other hand, both the Conservatives and Labour have lost handfuls of MPs who renounced their former parties, since the most recent Brexit lurches. A no-whip vote is when the Prime Minister frees ruling party MPs to vote their individual druthers, without discipline from the top. This means the delay vote is about the only vote that should be assumed to pass the Commons if the tweaked Plan doesn't. Finally, note that Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has declared the need for a second referendum, which is just historically-precedented enough to allow him to whip his party his party if he can force a motion. Prime Minister May must be having the time of her life. About the only thing that could top this week would be May calling a snap election. For more on the finesse/fumble with the Irish border 'backstop' ... ⚜⚜⚜⚜⚜⚜ Edited February 27, 2019 by william.scherk Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 8:03 PM, william.scherk said: The United Kingdom is due to depart the European Union on March 29, or I should say scheduled to depart. There may very well be a delay of the date on the calendar of three months. Basically, the Prime Minister's first 'plan' failed to pass the Commons. She is presenting a tweaked 'plan' for a vote presently, and will then offer a 'no whip' vote on a delay measure. In between, she has planned a vote to see if parliamentarians are up to approving a 'no-deal' deal -- ie, crashing out of the EU, proceeding without a map of transition or any formalized divorce agreement. So, everything is going along so far so good. Yes, today is March 12, the day of a Commons vote on the negotiated deal between May and the EU. Guess what? First vote failed. Next step, no-deal Brexit goes to a vote. What a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: First vote failed. Next step, no-deal Brexit goes to a vote. What a shambles. This is what the next steps are in the Brexit drama ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Think of all the money and effort these elites are deploying to get to No Deal. What a waste. They don't like it one bit that the people are refusing to be led by them. But what the hell, it's their money and time. If they push too hard to thwart the vote of the people they thought they were ruling and still want to rule, though, it could get real ugly, especially when they discover how little they actually rule. They screwed up. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Think of all the money and effort these elites are deploying to get to No Deal. What a waste. They don't like it one bit that the people are refusing to be led by them. But what the hell, it's their money and time. If they push too hard to thwart the vote of the people they thought they were ruling and still want to rule, though, it could get real ugly, especially when they discover how little they actually rule. They screwed up. Michael The Fourth Reich isn't going to just give up Britain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Think of all the money and effort these elites are deploying to get to No Deal. Extraordinary moments in the British House of Commons. They just voted to reject a No-Deal Brexit. Bloomberg and many other outlets are carrying the ongoing drama live ... LOCK THE DOORS!!!! Edited March 13, 2019 by william.scherk Click the Bloomberg tweet if you want to view the live event ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) On 3/13/2019 at 12:22 PM, william.scherk said: Extraordinary moments in the British House of Commons. Followed by more extraordinary actions in the British House of Commons. The Speaker denied the government a third "meaningful vote" on the Brexit deal negotiated by Theresa May. The first two votes failed, the second by a large majority. The result is ... disarray. Brexit: Bercow chucks a hulking great spanner in the works More reporting on the shambles ... Edited March 19, 2019 by william.scherk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) The Brexit schmozzle continues to schmoz. Parliament 'took back the power' from the Prime Minister, and forced a round of "indicative" votes -- ie, 'which of these options do you favour?" So ... every one of the indicative votes failed. None of the options were favoured: What happens now? Good question, no answer comes to mind immediately. Theresa May has declared that she will step down as prime minister -- if the Withdrawal Agreement she negotiated with the EU passes the House of Commons. And if it does not ... barring any other votes passing any deal, the UK will crash out of the EU on ... April 12 (or, yes, on May 22, the day of European Parliament elections if -- if if if -- another vote succeeds in passing the WA). A look at the options in slightly more detail ... -- and one more image to show the various options ... Edited March 28, 2019 by william.scherk Added graphic of top three Commons vote-getters; added schematic of decision processes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 4:46 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: But what the hell, it's their money and time. There won't be enough francs or pounds to buy snails. Oh, Yeah. Did anybody notice I got rid of that darn cat? Though she lost an ear she is still thriving. White cat. Cancer. Real white cat? Cancer. Who knew? Sparks's other ear is mottled but not cancerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Today is the day after the day the United Kingdom was supposed to have left the European Union. The way forward is ... unclear. Brexit news latest: Theresa May faces calls for cross-party 'unity government' to end deadlock after deal rejected again -- from a story on the person who proposed a 'national unity government' ... Quote [...] The EU has given the U.K. a deadline of April 12 to either leave with no deal or propose a different plan. That would require a lengthy extension to the Article 50 negotiating period, meaning that the U.K. would have to field candidates in the upcoming European Parliament election in May. On Monday, MPs will again take control of the parliamentary timetable from the government to hold a series of votes that could yield a majority for a different form of Brexit. In the first round of "indicative votes" on Wednesday, a proposal for a customs union with the EU put forward by veteran Tory MP and former Chancellor was just eight votes short of a majority. May has refused to be bound by the process even if it does yield majority support for an alternative course of action. "If the government refused and Theresa May felt she could not implement what parliament identified as a way of leaving the EU then we have to think very hard about whether a cross-party coalition ... could do that in order to make sure the U.K. does leave the EU in an orderly fashion," she said. [...] Edited March 30, 2019 by william.scherk Added cartoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Take one portion of schmozzle and one portion of shambles, and shake shake shake. "May asks for Labour's help on Brexit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Theresa May has obtained an extension of the Brexit schedule, until All Hallows Eve. If she can maneuver the Commons into accepting her negotiated withdrawal agreement before that time, Brexit will happen in an 'orderly fashion. And I am Marie of Roumania ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 8:41 AM, william.scherk said: Theresa May has obtained an extension of the Brexit schedule, until All Hallows Eve. If she can maneuver the Commons into accepting her negotiated withdrawal agreement before that time, Brexit will happen in an 'orderly fashion. Facts be damned. What does "our side" have to say about the process? Did the European Union 'force' Britain to hold elections for the European Parliament? No taxation without representation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) How has the Prime Minister managed to hold on so long? And will intrepid Paul Joseph Watson of Summit.news be able to unscramble the details of her announcement? The 'Socratic Method' may well be deprecated, I expect. "You get to vote on my cough new deal, or no deal." "You yes you get to vote on the negotiated deal. You yes you, dear voter, can also vote to pull the plug." CABAL Psy-Ops Trap-door Betrays Democracy! Edited May 22, 2019 by william.scherk Added link to PJW's smashing new advocacy site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Who will lead the Tory party in the UK? Theresa May resigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 So, how are things going with Brexit? To put it simply, there have been a few bumps in the road since my last post above. The biggest bump yesterday was that the Conservative Party lost its majority in the House of Commons, and thus lost its control of the 'order paper.' That means the government has no power to force anything that the rest of Parliament does not agree. The latest bump is a bill sent to the House of Lords. In a nutshell it says there will not be a no-deal Brexit come Hallowe'en. He can indeed 'call for' a fresh round of elections, but since he cannot command the 2/3 Commons majority vote necessary to overturn the UK's 'fixed elections' timetable ... the road ahead is pretty obscure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The longer the will of the British people is thwarted, the greater their eventual and inevitable uprising against and punishment of the Fourth Reich and its UK puppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Their system of government has worked well for centuries but ours is better, to my way of thinking. Though it would be nice to kick some arse out of office if he botches everything, without going through an impeachment process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:30 PM, william.scherk said: The latest bump is a bill sent to the House of Lords. In a nutshell it says there will not be a no-deal Brexit come Hallowe'en. The bill sailed through the Lords ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) This tweet is from one of the estimated 45 million UK citizens who are not pleased with anything in Parliament. The red rose means this guy is as close as you can get to communism without becoming Bernie Sanders ... The relish with which Jones trims down his list of facts should not obscure the facts. Everything put to Parliament failed -- May's biggest move, the free-vote on no-deal Brexit -- failed. Johnson has lost control of Parliament, but is still in titular charge of government. The most likely or probable outcome is anyone's guess. My own rough guess is based on the unremitting failure of any government to get agreement with the various parliamentary blocs and interests. If everyone has failed so far, shouldn't we accept failure as almost fated, in the circumstances? Johnson fractured his own party, and has been unable to control the order paper since. Can he regain leadership of the House of Commons and Lords? The Queen is duty bound to take the advice of her ministers, so anything Johnson asks of her will be granted -- like a snap election (but of course only after he can pass legislation overruling the current 'fixed term Parliament' law). The best option for getting the exact 'deal' he wants out of the EU -- so-called hard Brexit -- is to obey the letter spelled out in the law passed by both houses and assented to by the Queen: if no deal by the trigger date, Boris Johnson must send a letter to Brussels requesting an extension till the end of January. In Canada we always imagine various exit strategies of our provinces, should they wish to leave the federation. Alberta and Quebec are the restive territories. In the deals envisioned in Quebec, the divorced citizens would share citizenship and mobility coast to coast to coast. The first deal was a coral garden of extrusions called 'sovereignty-association' ... the second a rather more straightforward exit plan that -- surprise surprise -- would retain the Canadian dollar and joint-citizenship divorce. Kind of the present Irish system where the lawful border has essentially disappeared as a barrier or impediment between the peoples south and north. Sometimes a border has to harden, despite outcries and imagined pain and horror. I think Johnson is willing to enforce a hard border with the EU. I just don't know if he can win a fight right now. If anyone else plays close attention to the Brexit drama in the UK, do you have any guesses? The prime minister would like to get out on Hallowe'en without a 'back-stop.' This is unacceptable in the republic of Ireland, thus also in the EU. It's a built-in problem in the British Isles constitutional strait-jacket. Edited September 9, 2019 by william.scherk Stuck in photo-link of British Isles, corrected some errors, tweaked a phrase or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) On 9/9/2019 at 1:39 PM, william.scherk said: The most likely or probable outcome is anyone's guess. I did not guess that the UK Supreme Court would rule against Johnson ... Edited September 24, 2019 by william.scherk Added link to BBC report and analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: I did not guess that the UK Supreme Court would rule against Johnson ... William, Nobody could. From what little I understand British Law, The Queen used her power to help make suspending Parliament happen. The UK Supreme Court just basically took that power from her. The ruling class plays dirty when its power is threatened. You constantly defend the ruling class. Well, behold the ruling class in action. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Excuse me, no one could have guessed? I’ve been saying for three years that the Fourth Reich, now in political union with Britain, will not be giving it up without a fight. That they always owned the UK Supreme Court with threats and blackmail, and would use that, should be no surprise. Some of our own Supremes are members of the CFR with Jeffrey Epstein, so it is to be expected that their SC would consist of many puppets, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Blanket guess, so we can all stop being surprised: The Fourth Reich, dominated by the Nazi Juncker family, has achieved what Hitler failed to achieve using war — political union with the United Kingdom. See how Britain cannot get out now? Get it? They will not just give it up, They will fight to the bitter end, pulling every lever they can pull. By the end they will be guilty of so much crime that a peaceful resolution will be impossible, with them knowing we will certainly hang them all. Once public sentiment turns strongly enough they can be grabbed by special forces in the night, tried and hanged. They are never going to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Democracy is the worst form of government, right? 19 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: You constantly defend the ruling class. The Queen is duty-bound to accept the advice of her government. The prime minister is the head of government, and proroguing Parliament is generally a dumb-show: the PM asks for assent, the monarch gives it. In this case, as we learn by watching/listening to the unanimous decision of the UK Supreme Court, prorogation (as opposed to 'recess') up-ended all activity of Parliament. No bills could proceed, no debate could take place, no business remained on the order paper. The 'ruling class' (in this case, Boris Johnson) failed in what some see as a ploy to avoid oversight and debate. The Supreme Court decision returned Parliament to the status quo ante: Parliament is no longer prorogued. The coming week may not be pleasant for the 'ruling class,' but hey. As Churchill related to the House of Commons in 1947 ... Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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