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[Edited January 2 2019 -- to remove or replace dead visual-links]

Long ago Jonathan and I got some good traction out of a tangle of issues related to Global Warming slash Climate Change.  I think we are slated to renew or refresh our earlier exchanges.  I am going to poke in links to some he-said/he-saids from a few different threads at different times. One feature of the updated software is an automated 'sampling' of a link posted raw.  See below. 

So this blog entry will be kind of administrative-technical while being built and edited. I haven't figured out if Jonathan and I should impose some 'rules' going in, so your comment may be subject to arbitrary deletion before the field is ready for play. Fan notes included.

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Adam, see what you think of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, especially the revealing map-based representations of opinion. You can drill and zoom down to state, county, district level to track data across a number of survey questions, where some of the answers are surprising. On some measures at least, the thing it is not found only in the UK, Quebec, Canada: Here's a snapshot of several maps which do not always show an expected Red State/Blue State pattern;

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Edited 4 May 2015 by william.scherk

 

Plug my How To Get Where I Got book of books, Spencer Weart's The Discovery of Global Warming. Insert link to Amazon, Library link, and to the intro chapter of Weart's companion website to the book. Make sure you include a link to Ellen's mention of a book review. 

Bob Kolker's June 3 comment is a good hinge. What do we (J and I) think we know about the mechanism Bob sketches? What can we 'stipulate' or what can we agree on, for the sake of argument?

On 6/3/2016 at 9:31 AM, BaalChatzaf said:

CO2 does  slow down the radiation of energy in the infra-red bandwith.  The question is to what degree  given that there are other systems that tend to diffuse and disperse heat (such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and El Nino, along with convection and the Coriolis Effect that moves warm are to the polar regions).  The scientific fact is that CO2 tends to absorb radiated energy in the infra red range.  That is NOT fabricated.  That is a matter of experimental fact. 

Please see http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation

The issue is to what extent is the CO2 load of the atmosphere is slowing down heat radiation into space, when such absorbing or radiation occurs along with other heat dispersing processes.   

No denies that putting a blanket on, when it is cold slows down the rate at which one's body radiates heat.  Air is a poor heat conductor and the blanket traps air.  Also the blanket is warmed and radiates half its heat back to the source.  This produces a net slowing down of heat loss.  Heat loss still occurs (Second Law of Thermodynamics in operation)  but the rate of loss is affected. 

Tyndol and Arhenius  established the heat absorbing properties of CO2  in the late 19 th and early 20 th century.  Subsequent work has show the absorbtion to be the case and has measured it even more accurately than Tyndol and Arhenius. 

 

 

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Posted by Ellen Stuttle,

Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped.  He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks.  Why? Ellen

Bad faith follies ... "Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped. He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks. Why?"

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Posted by Ellen Stuttle,

William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question: Ellen

"William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question"

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Posted by Jonathan,

Or...let's read everything ever published! If we don't do so, then we're evading and rubbishing and being intentionally ignorant. "Indicative of incuriosity."   It implies no such thing. You don't infer correctly.   It's interesting to me, too. What's even more interesting is real science. Getting to the heart of the matter is much more interesting than eternally dancing around it, avoiding it, ignoring it. Show me the science. But...if your trusted scientist who is

Sharp questions, but not unfair. How does one get to "the science?"

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Posted by Jonathan,

Oh, okay, well then let's talk about the repeatable science of making vinegar and baking soda volcanoes! Douchebag. J

Douche bags and good faith ...

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Posted by Jonathan,

No, it's time for a refresher in falsifiability, repeatability/reproducibility, and the rest of the scientific method. 'Member all of the questions that I've asked which you and your darling little snuggletits Brad haven't answered? Tee hee hee? Buh, buh, buh, look over there! Tasty steamed octopus! Squid a l'orange! Salamander foie gras! Oh, my, how embarrassing. He's not heard of foie gras. Listen to his mispronunciation of it. Tee hee hee. Such a rube.  No? Still no answers? Just more of

Who the f**k is John Tyndall and why do you keep mentioning him?

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Posted by Jonathan,

The deniers deserve to have their property destroyed. We don't have time to wait for the fucking deniers to agree with us. We're reaching the end. Running out of clock. Pretty soon, we're going to have to take serious measures, like butchering the fucking deniers. We have the right to do it. The deniers are putting our lives at risk. They're trying to get us all killed. So it's self defense for us to disembowel them. It's virtuous. Destroy! Kill!   Former Canadian Prime Minister:

"Playing a part, with extra oomph." Who is this person?

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Posted by Jonathan,

I’m not living in 1995, douchebag. I’m simply recognizing the reality that there was a hiatus. I haven’t claimed that its currently happening, so don’t try to assign me that position, you dishonest twat. And I didn’t invent the term “hiatus.” It was a term used by the alleged “consensus” scientists and their governmental organizations during the many years that they were fretting about it and panicking about not being able to explain or account for it. Your attempts to downplay it or erase it wo

Join the discussion! Be called 'douchebag' and 'dishonest twat' ...

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Posted by william.scherk,

The "Greenhouse Effect" (GHE) has been discussed a lot on this site -- at various times and various places.  Ba'al Chatzaf (aka Bob Kolker) has been relatively constant in explaining it to readers¹, eg: Brant is on record as accepting the GHE, with caveats. My total impression is that Brant is more concerned with the 'green religion' extremism ... Jonathan hasn't stated his opinions or particular take in his own words (acceptance/rejection/skepticism) on the GHE explicitly -- at leas

Who's who, who asserts/accepts what in re GHE (the Greenhouse Effect)

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Posted by william.scherk,

There's never a bad time to think about atmospheric physics.  "How does it work?"  

There's never a perfect time to update your 'stupid' assumptions ...

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Posted by william.scherk,

"What do you want me to do, call you a boy-fucker?" Tone Patrol missed this itemized list: those of your way of thinking, sleaze, scientists and administrators promoting the end of times power grab has been breathtaking in its amateurishness do I see you, or people who think like you, slamming the dishonest assholes? scientist who promotes AGW cannot be trusted Al Gore is a clown and jerk You just keep arguing blast the idiots who abuse

"Tone Patrol" ...

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Posted by Brant Gaede,

William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids. Someone whose name I won't mention once described him--I'm afraid accurately--as a "conflict junky." His superciliousness has become blatantly apparent. I'd guess his going off the rails like this has a lot to do with the election of Donald Trump. Like the left generally maybe he's in a state of fulmination. I like the guy, or so I thought, but the important and bigger picture is the red-blue divide as the United St

"William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids."

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

And your inclination is to bring the fascist here and hand him a microphone. Michael, why is this vicious, destructive little prick still able to post at OL?

Disagreement and deplatforming

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Bringing him here escalates what was simple bad faith into open hostility. Billy didn’t look for someone who could fill–in for his weakness in science, no he brought an intellectual Nazi attack dog. Just when it is time to acknowledge the deflection and games and apologize, his instinct is to instead pollute his host’s site with this Nazi trash.

Nazi attack dog, douchrag, nazi -- depersonalized discussion of disputed findings

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Sometimes people from Billyboy’s ideological world really blurt it out and advertise the fetishes for infliction of pain, suffering and destruction that they nourish within themselves.

Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Billy is intellectually brain dead. He refuses to engage in any discussion of scientific methodology. He doesn’t understand scientific methodology. He can’t so engage because has no grounding in any science or tech learning in his background. He refuses to engage in a genuine process of back and forth whereby he could learn something. He functions like a paid Soros propaganda robot. The joke is on us for engaging him at all.

Not a reader of Weart ... "Billy is intellectually brain dead. "

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual. I have interacted with him online for at least fifteen years, I’ve openly disagreed with him and him with me countless times and we have never resorted to personality, never failed to remain on the intellectual plane of the discussion. He can do it, and I can do it (and you as well) because it really is what we want, what we are here for. As you know Bob and Merlin come here to prop up their low esteem by trying to show up people, show them a

The Emperor's new policeman: "Slamming these characters’ faces into a toilet in front of all is simply good old sweet, irreplaceable, precious Justice, a necessary action against their attempt to subvert the purpose of the forum."

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Jonathan
56 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

We all speak English, but are separated by the language.

Just like the Brits and Americans.

--Brant

well, not quite

We are the Others™. Lesser beings. Things. Insects. Our questions are an annoying buzz. One doesn’t converse with insects. One either ignores, manages or controls, or exterminates insects.

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Jon Letendre

Nah, they know they are the lesser beings. That’s why they hate us and cannot remain on the intellectual plane in any discussion. They hate us intensely for being so much better than them and not doing anything to help hide the fact. Projecting it onto us and putting on airs to the contrary is a necessary defense mechanism, so they can get up and face the day despite what they (always struggling to keep sub-) consciously know about themselves.

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On 2/17/2020 at 3:24 AM, merjet said:

 

 
No, fabricator. I didn't fall for an "illusion" and said nothing about being being dazzled. I dared the conceptually and mechanically inept Jonathan to explain why what happens does happen. He failed. You and Brant also didn't explain why or even feel it was needed. I'm not surprised. None of you saw the significance of the center of the moving coin. Déjà vu.
 
Analysis and Solution
 
Why does the moving coin make two rotations? From start to end the center of the moving coin travels a circular path. The radius of that path is twice either coin's radius. Hence, the circumference of the path is twice either coin's circumference. How much the moving coin rotates around its own center en route, even if none, or in what direction -- clockwise, counterclockwise, or some of both -- has no effect on the length of the path. That the coin rotates twice per the description on Wikipedia makes a distraction.
 

Excellent, Merlin.

Now do this one ...

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16950-where-are-you/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-284304

Bob Chatzaf says he logically proved there can be no such passages, and further, he says that “drawings are crutches for the logically feeble.” Are the people on that thread “logically feeble” and he their cognitive superior, as he insists? We need your help, Merlin.

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14 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Excellent, Merlin.

Now do this one ...

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16950-where-are-you/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-284304

Bob Chatzaf says he logically proved there can be no such passages, and further, he says that “drawings are crutches for the logically feeble.” Are the people on that thread “logically feeble” and he their cognitive superior, as he insists? We need your help, Merlin.

Elon Musk's Favorite Riddle  I have no desire to sling arrows at BaalChatzaf. He hasn't posted here in 4 months. He is getting up there in years. Give him a break.  

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2 hours ago, merjet said:

Elon Musk's Favorite Riddle  I have no desire to sling arrows at BaalChatzaf. He hasn't posted here in 4 months. He is getting up there in years. Give him a break.  

So, you’re saying that Bob is wrong? And it’s probably due to his old age?

 

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2 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

I'm 75. Lay off me.

--Brant

You actually seem to have gotten less crazy with age.

J

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34 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

You actually seem to have gotten less crazy with age.

J

Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual. I have interacted with him online for at least fifteen years, I’ve openly disagreed with him and him with me countless times and we have never resorted to personality, never failed to remain on the intellectual plane of the discussion. He can do it, and I can do it (and you as well) because it really is what we want, what we are here for.

As you know Bob and Merlin come here to prop up their low esteem by trying to show up people, show them as dummies, his inferiors. Slamming these characters’ faces into a toilet in front of all is simply good old sweet, irreplaceable, precious Justice, a necessary action against their attempt to subvert the purpose of the forum.

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Jon Letendre
9 hours ago, merjet said:

I have no desire to sling arrows at BaalChatzaf. He hasn't posted here in 4 months. He is getting up there in years. Give him a break.  

This is subtle confirmation of what I was just saying about Merlin’s intentions here at OL, or likely in any social engagements he indulges in.

I invited him to join a conversation. What is that, though, joining a conversation? Why? To what end?

Most people would say join the conversation because it will be enjoyable, you could learn a new thing, it will be a contribution perhaps even helping some of those involved resolve their thinking on the matter, etc, etc, etc.

But how does Merlin think about it?

He sees that if he joins the conversation it will have to include going against Bob and he does not hate Bob so he is not interested. It would involve implicitly backing Jon and Jonathan who he hates, so he is not interested.

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16950-where-are-you/#comments

 

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Jonathan
1 hour ago, Jon Letendre said:

Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual.

I agree. But I can still tease him.

J

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“I agree. But I can still tease him.” J wrote aboot Brant.

Let me jockey back to Canadian jokes. Did you do know William Scherk joined the Royal Canadian Mounted Police when he was a mere 17 years old in spite of his short height of a mere 4 foot 7? He had to endure hateful Canadian jokes like, “What do you call a short, dumb person? A Shrimpleton.”

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Jon Letendre
On 2/17/2020 at 3:24 AM, merjet said:

 the conceptually and mechanically inept Jonathan

Jonathan participates heavily in discussion below, both conceptually and visuo-spatially.

Since he is so inept, since you are not at all a stone-cold liar indulging in classic narcissistic projection about that, then he surely committed many errors in a complex visuo-spatial conversation?

So point one out to us, you miserable little Shit-for-Brains ... 

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16950-where-are-you/#comments

 

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Ellen Stuttle
15 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

I hope [Bob's] ok.

Bob was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's along with his characteristic Aspie obliviousness.  I started to wonder toward the end of last year if he'd died, and I took to periodically checking his User Profile to see if he'd signed in.  He did sign in on Thanksgiving Day, November 28, and then again on February 6.

Ellen

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5 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Bob was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's along with his characteristic Aspie obliviousness.  I started to wonder toward the end of last year if he'd died, and I took to periodically checking his User Profile to see if he'd signed in.  He did sign in on Thanksgiving Day, November 28, and then again on February 6.

Ellen

You are the best, Ellen. February 6th is not too long ago. I know Bob mentioned bicycling which is a good omen for immortality.  

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Michael Stuart Kelly
13 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Bob was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's along with his characteristic Aspie obliviousness.  I started to wonder toward the end of last year if he'd died, and I took to periodically checking his User Profile to see if he'd signed in.  He did sign in on Thanksgiving Day, November 28, and then again on February 6.

Ellen

Ellen,

I have great affection for Bob. Even at his most Aspie. (He could be trying, though. :) )

I hope his participation on OL over the years has been a joy to him.

He was scorned just about everywhere else he went on the Internet.

I'm sorry I never met him in person.

And I hope whatever he is going through right now is not awful. It can't be great, but I hope it's bearable and has some upsides.

Michael

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Ellen Stuttle
1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I have great affection for Bob. Even at his most Aspie. (He could be trying, though. :) 

Ditto.  And for the rest of your post, too.

I'll add that, frustrating though Bob can be to try to have a conversation with, he's contributed many little vignettes about scientific history and substance which I've found interesting to read for themselves.

Ellen

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merjet

I see. Jon unwittingly reveals his dominant motive for visiting OL. It is not to learn or discuss, but to hurl crap and insults at other people he hates and know he is a "snake." He is so disappointed that I won't join him in his hurling crap and insults at BaalChatzaf, who may not even read them. Foul-mouthed Jon's pseudo-self-esteem remains in need of a big boost. He'd have a much better chance of a boost by begging Jonathan, MSK, or Ellen. 😄

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Brant Gaede
On 2/21/2020 at 11:28 AM, Jon Letendre said:

Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual. 

I started to blush until I realized you didn't call me a genius.

Ah, well. One gathers what one can and then one tries further.

--Brant

if you (I?) only knew the power of my dark side

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Jon Letendre
7 hours ago, merjet said:

I see. Jon unwittingly reveals his dominant motive for visiting OL. It is not to learn or discuss, but to hurl crap and insults at other people he hates and know he is a "snake." He is so disappointed that I won't join him in his hurling crap and insults at BaalChatzaf, who may not even read them. Foul-mouthed Jon's pseudo-self-esteem remains in need of a big boost. He'd have a much better chance of a boost by begging Jonathan, MSK, or Ellen. 😄

Here is your insult:  “the visuo-spatially inept Jonathan.”

I haven’t asked you to hurl insults at Bob, you incompetent liar.

I asked you to backup your insults toward Jonathan.

Back up your insults toward Jonathan.

Can you back up your insults, Asshole? Doesn’t look like you can, so far.

So far it looks like you make up all your insults from thin air.

Show us one error Jonathan made in this long, complex visuo-spatial discussion, just one, Shit-for-Brains, so we can all see that you do not lie right through your teeth ... show us one error Jonathan made ... 

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16950-where-are-you/

 

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Jon Letendre

Hey Billyboylover, aren’t you supposed to be saving the planet by supporting your hilariously stupid climate beliefs with actual science?

Why are you wasting your time choosing my comments for highlighting and adding to Recommended Comments and declaring me the “emperor’s new policeman”?

We are running out of time, Billyboylover. The planet is running out of time.Are You not really serious and sincere about all that, afterall? Then why are you sitting around twiddling your little thing while earth burns? 

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There's a new girl in the climate doom propaganda game.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/youtuber-campaigns-against-climate-alarmism-drawing-comparisons-to-greta-thunberg/

 

YouTuber campaigns against ‘climate alarmism,’ drawing comparisons to Greta Thunberg 

Feb. 23, 2020 at 5:24 pm Updated Feb. 23, 2020 at 7:01 pm 
 
 
Naomi Seibt poses for a portrait near her home in Munster, Germany. Seibt, 19, uses YouTube to denounce “climate alarmism,” countering the arguments of young climate activist Greta Thunberg. (Photo for The Washington Post by Sebastien Van Malleghem).
 
“I don’t want to get people to stop believing in man-made climate change, not at all,” Naomi Seibt said. (Photo for The Washington Post by Sebastien Van Malleghem).By 
 and 
The Washington Post

For climate skeptics, it’s hard to compete with the youthful appeal of global phenomenon Greta Thunberg. But one U.S. think tank hopes it’s found an answer: the anti-Greta.

Naomi Seibt is a 19-year-old German who, like Greta, is blond, eloquent and 

_____

Do a search for "Naomi vs Greta." What a contrast in the left media's style of coverage of Naomi versus that of Greta. Hilarious.

J

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