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[Edited January 2 2019 -- to remove or replace dead visual-links]

Long ago Jonathan and I got some good traction out of a tangle of issues related to Global Warming slash Climate Change.  I think we are slated to renew or refresh our earlier exchanges.  I am going to poke in links to some he-said/he-saids from a few different threads at different times. One feature of the updated software is an automated 'sampling' of a link posted raw.  See below. 

So this blog entry will be kind of administrative-technical while being built and edited. I haven't figured out if Jonathan and I should impose some 'rules' going in, so your comment may be subject to arbitrary deletion before the field is ready for play. Fan notes included.

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Adam, see what you think of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, especially the revealing map-based representations of opinion. You can drill and zoom down to state, county, district level to track data across a number of survey questions, where some of the answers are surprising. On some measures at least, the thing it is not found only in the UK, Quebec, Canada: Here's a snapshot of several maps which do not always show an expected Red State/Blue State pattern;

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Edited 4 May 2015 by william.scherk

 

Plug my How To Get Where I Got book of books, Spencer Weart's The Discovery of Global Warming. Insert link to Amazon, Library link, and to the intro chapter of Weart's companion website to the book. Make sure you include a link to Ellen's mention of a book review. 

Bob Kolker's June 3 comment is a good hinge. What do we (J and I) think we know about the mechanism Bob sketches? What can we 'stipulate' or what can we agree on, for the sake of argument?

On 6/3/2016 at 9:31 AM, BaalChatzaf said:

CO2 does  slow down the radiation of energy in the infra-red bandwith.  The question is to what degree  given that there are other systems that tend to diffuse and disperse heat (such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and El Nino, along with convection and the Coriolis Effect that moves warm are to the polar regions).  The scientific fact is that CO2 tends to absorb radiated energy in the infra red range.  That is NOT fabricated.  That is a matter of experimental fact. 

Please see http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation

The issue is to what extent is the CO2 load of the atmosphere is slowing down heat radiation into space, when such absorbing or radiation occurs along with other heat dispersing processes.   

No denies that putting a blanket on, when it is cold slows down the rate at which one's body radiates heat.  Air is a poor heat conductor and the blanket traps air.  Also the blanket is warmed and radiates half its heat back to the source.  This produces a net slowing down of heat loss.  Heat loss still occurs (Second Law of Thermodynamics in operation)  but the rate of loss is affected. 

Tyndol and Arhenius  established the heat absorbing properties of CO2  in the late 19 th and early 20 th century.  Subsequent work has show the absorbtion to be the case and has measured it even more accurately than Tyndol and Arhenius. 

 

 

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Posted by Ellen Stuttle,

Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped.  He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks.  Why? Ellen

Bad faith follies ... "Brad is far too slick at the snake oil salesmanship to be innocently duped. He's put effort into becoming good at the tricks. Why?"

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Posted by Ellen Stuttle,

William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question: Ellen

"William made starkly obvious how dumb his thinking on climate issues is with this question"

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Posted by Jonathan,

Or...let's read everything ever published! If we don't do so, then we're evading and rubbishing and being intentionally ignorant. "Indicative of incuriosity."   It implies no such thing. You don't infer correctly.   It's interesting to me, too. What's even more interesting is real science. Getting to the heart of the matter is much more interesting than eternally dancing around it, avoiding it, ignoring it. Show me the science. But...if your trusted scientist who is

Sharp questions, but not unfair. How does one get to "the science?"

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Posted by Jonathan,

Oh, okay, well then let's talk about the repeatable science of making vinegar and baking soda volcanoes! Douchebag. J

Douche bags and good faith ...

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Posted by Jonathan,

No, it's time for a refresher in falsifiability, repeatability/reproducibility, and the rest of the scientific method. 'Member all of the questions that I've asked which you and your darling little snuggletits Brad haven't answered? Tee hee hee? Buh, buh, buh, look over there! Tasty steamed octopus! Squid a l'orange! Salamander foie gras! Oh, my, how embarrassing. He's not heard of foie gras. Listen to his mispronunciation of it. Tee hee hee. Such a rube.  No? Still no answers? Just more of

Who the f**k is John Tyndall and why do you keep mentioning him?

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Posted by Jonathan,

The deniers deserve to have their property destroyed. We don't have time to wait for the fucking deniers to agree with us. We're reaching the end. Running out of clock. Pretty soon, we're going to have to take serious measures, like butchering the fucking deniers. We have the right to do it. The deniers are putting our lives at risk. They're trying to get us all killed. So it's self defense for us to disembowel them. It's virtuous. Destroy! Kill!   Former Canadian Prime Minister:

"Playing a part, with extra oomph." Who is this person?

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Posted by Jonathan,

I’m not living in 1995, douchebag. I’m simply recognizing the reality that there was a hiatus. I haven’t claimed that its currently happening, so don’t try to assign me that position, you dishonest twat. And I didn’t invent the term “hiatus.” It was a term used by the alleged “consensus” scientists and their governmental organizations during the many years that they were fretting about it and panicking about not being able to explain or account for it. Your attempts to downplay it or erase it wo

Join the discussion! Be called 'douchebag' and 'dishonest twat' ...

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Posted by william.scherk,

The "Greenhouse Effect" (GHE) has been discussed a lot on this site -- at various times and various places.  Ba'al Chatzaf (aka Bob Kolker) has been relatively constant in explaining it to readers¹, eg: Brant is on record as accepting the GHE, with caveats. My total impression is that Brant is more concerned with the 'green religion' extremism ... Jonathan hasn't stated his opinions or particular take in his own words (acceptance/rejection/skepticism) on the GHE explicitly -- at leas

Who's who, who asserts/accepts what in re GHE (the Greenhouse Effect)

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Posted by william.scherk,

There's never a bad time to think about atmospheric physics.  "How does it work?"  

There's never a perfect time to update your 'stupid' assumptions ...

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Posted by william.scherk,

"What do you want me to do, call you a boy-fucker?" Tone Patrol missed this itemized list: those of your way of thinking, sleaze, scientists and administrators promoting the end of times power grab has been breathtaking in its amateurishness do I see you, or people who think like you, slamming the dishonest assholes? scientist who promotes AGW cannot be trusted Al Gore is a clown and jerk You just keep arguing blast the idiots who abuse

"Tone Patrol" ...

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Posted by Brant Gaede,

William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids. Someone whose name I won't mention once described him--I'm afraid accurately--as a "conflict junky." His superciliousness has become blatantly apparent. I'd guess his going off the rails like this has a lot to do with the election of Donald Trump. Like the left generally maybe he's in a state of fulmination. I like the guy, or so I thought, but the important and bigger picture is the red-blue divide as the United St

"William inviting Brad and the shithead here was bad faith on steroids."

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

And your inclination is to bring the fascist here and hand him a microphone. Michael, why is this vicious, destructive little prick still able to post at OL?

Disagreement and deplatforming

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Bringing him here escalates what was simple bad faith into open hostility. Billy didn’t look for someone who could fill–in for his weakness in science, no he brought an intellectual Nazi attack dog. Just when it is time to acknowledge the deflection and games and apologize, his instinct is to instead pollute his host’s site with this Nazi trash.

Nazi attack dog, douchrag, nazi -- depersonalized discussion of disputed findings

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Sometimes people from Billyboy’s ideological world really blurt it out and advertise the fetishes for infliction of pain, suffering and destruction that they nourish within themselves.

Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Fetish night at Friends and Foes

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Billy is intellectually brain dead. He refuses to engage in any discussion of scientific methodology. He doesn’t understand scientific methodology. He can’t so engage because has no grounding in any science or tech learning in his background. He refuses to engage in a genuine process of back and forth whereby he could learn something. He functions like a paid Soros propaganda robot. The joke is on us for engaging him at all.

Not a reader of Weart ... "Billy is intellectually brain dead. "

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Posted by Jon Letendre,

Brant is a gentleman and a sincere intellectual. I have interacted with him online for at least fifteen years, I’ve openly disagreed with him and him with me countless times and we have never resorted to personality, never failed to remain on the intellectual plane of the discussion. He can do it, and I can do it (and you as well) because it really is what we want, what we are here for. As you know Bob and Merlin come here to prop up their low esteem by trying to show up people, show them a

The Emperor's new policeman: "Slamming these characters’ faces into a toilet in front of all is simply good old sweet, irreplaceable, precious Justice, a necessary action against their attempt to subvert the purpose of the forum."

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Brant Gaede
30 minutes ago, bradschrag said:

Well, as part of a debate, it is necessary to see where each party doesn't agree. Cause of increasing atmospheric co2 is what?

Your foundation is missing.

--Brant

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bradschrag
5 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Your foundation is missing.

--Brant

In what way? We have observations of increasing co2 through various methods. It's best to establish what that driver of increased concentrations is.

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Jonathan
14 minutes ago, bradschrag said:

Well, as part of a debate, it is necessary to see where each party doesn't agree. Cause of increasing atmospheric co2 is what?

I'm not participating in a debate. Where did you get the idea that it was a debate?

Pay attention: Billy asked what it would take to change our minds on the issue of anthropogenic climate change. I answered. I named my conditions. I simply explained that I'd need to see the details of the scientific method being followed, and I listed specifically what that would mean. Identify and define the single successful hypothesis, the duration of the observations, how that duration was chosen, identify the predictions, the specific conditions of falsifiability, independent repeatability and validation, etc., etc.

I didn't ask for a debate. I didn't ask for douchebags to try to talk me into opting for a different method of what would convince me.

But, anyway, regarding your statement above, no -- bullshit -- it is not necessary to see where each party agrees or disagrees. All that is needed is for you to state your case, define it, and support and defend it.

That's all that my questions represent.

Answer the questions. Stop trying to push the distraction of setting up a "debate."

J

 

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Jonathan
21 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Your foundation is missing.

--Brant

Exactly.

Brad is sniping. He's trying to force the discussion in a direction where he hopes that he'll be able to find chinks in my armor. He is refusing to identify his foundation -- the definitions, terms and conditions that I'm asking him to identify -- and he's focused on trying to target what he hopes might be my beliefs.

J

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Jon Letendre

Brian’s advice applies here:

 
 
Brian Cates // Digital Soldier for Flynn
 
 
This is what you need to remember about these people who still make up the die hard Democratic base: THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. I see a whole lot of Conservatives **wasting their time** trying to convince someone who KNOWS they are lying...that they are lying.
12:34 PM · Feb 12, 2020
 
 
 
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tmj

People don't waste time lying about about the fate of the planet and how humanity can atone for it, they usually get something for it.

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Michael Stuart Kelly
1 hour ago, tmj said:

People don't waste time lying about about the fate of the planet and how humanity can atone for it, they usually get something for it.

T,

It does make one wonder, doesn't it?

Ellen suggested the incentive might be romance (bimbo in distress kind of thing in this case :) ), I have posited it is religion and/or vanity, others bounce back and forth between stupidity and dishonesty, now you bring up money (by insinuation).

We don't know for sure until we know, but money sounds awfully good for this much effort out of this guy...

Who knows? Maybe it's all of the above.

There is one thing I am sure it is not. That is passion for discussing the scientific method applied to climate, or to anything for that matter.

:) 

Michael

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Brant Gaede
On 2/12/2020 at 11:25 AM, bradschrag said:

In what way? We have observations of increasing co2 through various methods. It's best to establish what that driver of increased concentrations is.

You took a conclusion, increase in CO2 causes climate  change (AGW), then went fact shopping calling it science.

The science, the foundation, is missing.

--Brant

 

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Brant Gaede
7 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Exactly.

Brad is sniping. He's trying to force the discussion in a direction where he hopes that he'll be able to find chinks in my armor. He is refusing to identify his foundation -- the definitions, terms and conditions that I'm asking him to identify -- and he's focused on trying to target what he hopes might be my beliefs.

J

That'd be a theological discussion.

--Brant

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merjet
On 2/11/2020 at 10:09 AM, Jonathan said:

do you have any insights as to why Trump has changed his position?

 

On 2/11/2020 at 12:38 PM, merjet said:

Do you? Ask MSK, moron. Maybe he'll tell you what he pretends to know about what's on Trump's mind.  He didn't or wouldn't tell me anything relevant. Mere word games and smoke screens. Nothing about planting trees or bigger subsidies.

Still no answers.

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Jonathan
1 hour ago, merjet said:

 

Still no answers.

Btw, Merlin, don't you have something better do in your doderage?

Isnt there another Wikipedia page that you can destroy with your stupidity?

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Ellen Stuttle
On February 12, 2020 at 4:53 PM, tmj said:

People don't waste time lying about about the fate of the planet and how humanity can atone for it, they usually get something for it.

Why would someone pay a person who isn't even competent at basic logic to post to a non-receptive audience on a thread which averages fewer than 20 reads per post?  A waste of money.

Ellen

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Michael Stuart Kelly
34 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

A waste of money.

Ellen,

You can say that again.

People who would fund that are the kind who might pay, say, 14 million dollars for a report that said Trump hired prostitutes in Moscow to pee on a bed the Obamas slept in.

These people love to waste their money.

btw - Fewer than 20 reads per post? Where did you get that stat? Educated guess? I don't know how to get views per post. I don't even get views per thread, although I might be able to find out where to turn that on in the backoffice. (For the record, your guess sounds good to me, maybe even a little high since this thread is in William's blog and, from a general impression I have garnered over time, blog threads on OL don't seem to get the same luv from the search engines that normal threads do.)

Anyway, it's easy to see number of points per poster over time, although I'm not sure what these points are (maybe likes).

Here is the Leaderboard stats for top points during the month from January 14 to February 14.

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Guess who's at top?

Busy busy busy...

:)

Michael

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merjet
22 hours ago, Jonathan said:

That's false. MSK answered your questions.

 

21 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Btw, Merlin, don't you have something better do in your doderage?

Isnt there another Wikipedia page that you can destroy with your stupidity?

Ha ha ha  ha ha ha.  

You are still a lying, obnoxious ignoranus.  
 
Doderage? Are you senile?
 
Here's your chance to improve or mutilate Wikipedia.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox  Edit the page to explain why the phenomena happens.  I bet you can't do so correctly and without help. But you can show your stupidity to many people not on OL.
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tmj
5 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Why would someone pay a person who isn't even competent at basic logic to post to a non-receptive audience on a thread which averages fewer than 20 reads per post?  A waste of money.

Ellen

My thought wasn’t directed solely at Brad and not necessarily only about money.

Gore and Gore-like people do it to fleece money from the ‘system’ , Hollywood type virtue-signalers are probably motivated by an inherent narcissism. And they need their parrots to help move masses to accept the building of the ‘system’ or even to just be complacent enough to not fight back against the building . 

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Jon Letendre

Oh no! The Coin Rotation “Paradox” 😆

But Merlin, what is there for Jonathan to explain? It is right there in the article, there are two motions involved. That’s why you find it novel and troublesome, because there is so much going on at once and your brain cannot track it all.

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Jon Letendre

Views is at the very top, below the top graphic, top page, 17,880

Post count is directly above recommended posts, 1,093

Views per comment, 17,880 / 1,093 = 16

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Jonathan
3 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Oh no! The Coin Rotation “Paradox” 😆

Indeed.

From the wiki page that Merlin posted:

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The coin rotation paradox is the counter-intuitive observation...

Counter-intuitive to whom? Counter-intuitive to the visuospatially and mechanically inept, and therefore to everyone?

Apparently Merlin finds it paradoxical. Not surprising.

J

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Brant Gaede
8 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Why would someone pay a person who isn't even competent at basic logic to post to a non-receptive audience on a thread which averages fewer than 20 reads per post?  A waste of money.

Ellen

For ego fun.

--Brant

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Jon Letendre
1 hour ago, Jonathan said:

Billy? Are you okay? Still alive?

I see that your Twitter account is suspended. What is up with that?

J

 

They disinfected.

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