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#1 Michael Stuart Kelly

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 11:56 PM

The Remington Rand typewriter again

I received an email from Barbara--one that contains information that should be easy to check by anyone interested.

Barbara sent me an email from Joan Blumenthal (or part of one). I asked Barbara it it was OK to publish it and she said please do. It's certainly short enough for fair use.

Here goes:

Sure I heard the story from Ayn. She was very fond of her Remington Rand typewriter and said that was the origin of her name.

How come nobody else has thought of asking Joan?

What a weird subculture we live in...

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:46 AM

Oh, you know, now it'll be that Barbara fabricated email or some trash. Evidence will be demanded, IP addresses will be tracked. She will be accused of creating a virtual Joan and routing everything back to herself through a series of anonymous third world servers. You know how devious she is . . . :)

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:18 AM

This may not be the first time somebody has suggested this, but the thought occurs to me that Rand made the story up to protect her family. We know that this is why she kept her birth name a secret. She could easily have figured that having a ready explanation for her adopted name would help to discourage prying.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:20 AM

Good Copy.



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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:38 AM

Nobody thought to ask Joan Mitchell Blumenthal because every story that might make Ayn Rand look bad was hatched by TheBrandens, is kept under lock and key in a secret location, and can only be had by those who ask them nicely :)

At least, that's why Jim Valliant hasn't bothered to ask, and persons who suck up to Valliant wouldn't either.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:42 AM

I think it's overdetermined.

The typewriter story was good copy, it kept the inquisitive off the trail as far as her family was concerned, and the people she told it to didn't speak or read Russian.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 10:04 AM

This horse has been beaten beyond recognition. This horse is the Rodney King of Objectivism.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 10:06 AM

So I'm reading this thread and I glance up at the TV and CNBC is advertising how they are going to run an investigative story on the Remington (arms) company.

This story never ends. Randian corruption has permeated every aspect and facet of American society. I can't wait to see the Rand part. By buying her typewriter she helped provide the start-up capital for a major purveyor of death and destruction. At least that's the slant of the prosecutor's brief I'm working on.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 10:32 AM

I think it's overdetermined.

The typewriter story was good copy, it kept the inquisitive off the trail as far as her family was concerned, and the people she told it to didn't speak or read Russian.

Robert Campbell


Continued "controversy" over this issue shows a lack of comprehension of human nature on the part of those who cannot credit that or fathom why Rand would tell such a story. It is a telling self indictment, and a prime symptom of what can only be called ARID (Alice Rosenbaum Identity Derangement) Syndrome.




Edited by Ted Keer, 13 October 2010 - 10:34 AM.




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Posted 13 October 2010 - 11:16 AM


I think it's overdetermined.

The typewriter story was good copy, it kept the inquisitive off the trail as far as her family was concerned, and the people she told it to didn't speak or read Russian.

Robert Campbell


Continued "controversy" over this issue shows a lack of comprehension of human nature on the part of those who cannot credit that or fathom why Rand would tell such a story. It is a telling self indictment, and a prime symptom of what can only be called ARID (Alice Rosenbaum Identity Derangement) Syndrome.


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Posted 13 October 2010 - 04:59 PM

This is still of interest elsewhere in Rand-land:
http://forums.4aynra...ndpost&p=107785
http://remingtonrand...om/AynRand.html
Now these here are murky waters, but does anyone doubt that she told the story to Peikoff? Or within his earshot?
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 05:58 PM

Of course Rand couldn't have gotten her name from a Remington Rand typewriter. That doesn't mean that she couldn't have created the story years later or passed it on having heard it from others. Obviously these people wouldn't have known what Rand told a reporter or two in the 30s, 40s or even early 50s.

My guess is that Rand told it to Fern Brown who "retrojected" it into her memory and she (Rand) also told it to Nathaniel, Barbara and Joan Blumenthal among others.

The only problem I have is that if AR told it to NB, BB and JB why don't others recall having heard it second-hand.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 11:23 PM

The only problem I have is that if AR told it to NB, BB and JB why don't others recall having heard it second-hand.


It was Rand's anecdote. It is rude to go around telling other people's anecdotes. It's like giving away movie plots. This is all Social Interaction 101.



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Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:16 AM

Ted,

You write:

It was Rand's anecdote. It is rude to go around telling other people's anecdotes. It's like giving away movie plots. This is all Social Interaction 101.

Yes, but what about after Rand died?

I am almost certain that Rand did tell the story. We have Nathaniel, Barbara and now Joan Blumenthal. It has been reported that there is one person interviewed by the Archives who heard it from Rand. So that's four people, five if you include Fern Brown (who probably heard it from Rand and misremembered it).

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:00 AM

Ted,

You write:

It was Rand's anecdote. It is rude to go around telling other people's anecdotes. It's like giving away movie plots. This is all Social Interaction 101.

Yes, but what about after Rand died?

I am almost certain that Rand did tell the story. We have Nathaniel, Barbara and now Joan Blumenthal. It has been reported that there is one person interviewed by the Archives who heard it from Rand. So that's four people, five if you include Fern Brown (who probably heard it from Rand and misremembered it).

-Neil


It's in the text of the joint eulogy for Rand given by Peikoff and Nathaniel, and the anecdote is a longstanding applause-getting staple of Barbara's and Joan's annual appearances at their ARI seminars . . . .



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Posted 14 October 2010 - 03:48 PM

Ted Keer wrote: "It's in the text of the joint eulogy for Rand given by Peikoff and Nathaniel, and the anecdote is a longstanding applause-getting staple of Barbara's and Joan's annual appearances at their ARI seminars...."

This is fabricatory in the extreme. It is completely made up, a concoction. It's fiction. It is false. It is not true. There was no joint Leonard Peikoff/Nathaniel Branden eulogy, nor did Barbara Branden and Joan Blumenthal ever conjointly attend an ARI seminar. None of it happened, nor would any of the mentioned parties seriously attest that it did. The claims have no foundation. They are without referent or substantiation. They are not even plausible, given the history of schisms and insistence on permanent arch-enmity toward certain de-sanctioned personages adopted by the Peikovian flame-keepers. To make such assertions is to commit the big bad B, the epistemological wiper-outer, the Blank-out. For surely Keer has the MEANS to know that there was never any such joint eulogy, never any such joint appearances at ARI seminars. And yet, he says that there was. He makes that claim. He makes that claim.

Edited by Starbuckle, 14 October 2010 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:07 PM

Ted Keer wrote: "It's in the text of the joint eulogy for Rand given by Peikoff and Nathaniel, and the anecdote is a longstanding applause-getting staple of Barbara's and Joan's annual appearances at their ARI seminars...."

This is fabricatory in the extreme. It is completely made up, a concoction. It's fiction. It is false. It is not true. There was no joint Leonard Peikoff/Nathaniel Branden eulogy, nor did Barbara Branden and Joan Blumenthal ever conjointly attend an ARI seminar. None of it happened, nor would any of the mentioned parties seriously attest that it did. The claims have no foundation. They are without referent or substantiation. They are not even plausible, given the history of schisms and insistence on permanent arch-enmity toward certain de-sanctioned personages adopted by the Peikovian flame-keepers. To make such assertions is to commit the big bad B, the epistemological wiper-outer, the Blank-out. For surely Keer has the MEANS to know that there was never any such joint eulogy, never any such joint appearances at ARI seminars. And yet, he says that there was. He makes that claim. He makes that claim.


I have no dog in this fight, but don't you think that Ted might be tongue in cheeking this just a wee bit?
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:14 PM

He makes that claim. He makes that claim.

He cracks a joke. He cracks a joke.

He keeps his day job. He keeps his day job.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:17 PM


He makes that claim. He makes that claim.

He cracks a joke. He cracks a joke.

He keeps his day job. He keeps his day job.


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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:27 PM



He makes that claim. He makes that claim.

He cracks a joke. He cracks a joke.

He keeps his day job. He keeps his day job.


Don't repeat yourself. Don't repeat yourself.

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