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Posted 12 March 2014 - 06:42 PM

"So what do you think of Kipling?"

'I don't know, I've never kippled."

 

Kipling was a racist imperialist who justified colonialism. What more might be said of his content?

 

As for form, it's still nevertheless meningful to ask what such- and- such poet accomplished in the way of asking the Spinozan question of poetry, 'What can words do?'

 

In other words, does Kipling's use of language make us see the world any differently than before?

 

Obviously not. He's a cheep takeoff on Browning, and without his sense of humaor and irony, as well.

 

His rhyming coupets are trite, high-skool stuff, meant only to impress said high-skoolerrs to take up the cause, and join the army!

 

But of the fuzzy-wuzzies, beware--

They broke the hollow square!

 

See how easy it is--i can kipple, too!

 

EM

Actually he was down on the Imperialism of his nation.  He degraded those who put their faith in "reeking tube and shard". 

 

He knew at some level the game was up for British Imperialism.

 

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 08:18 PM

 

"So what do you think of Kipling?"

'I don't know, I've never kippled."

 

Kipling was a racist imperialist who justified colonialism. What more might be said of his content?

 

As for form, it's still nevertheless meningful to ask what such- and- such poet accomplished in the way of asking the Spinozan question of poetry, 'What can words do?'

 

In other words, does Kipling's use of language make us see the world any differently than before?

 

Obviously not. He's a cheep takeoff on Browning, and without his sense of humaor and irony, as well.

 

His rhyming coupets are trite, high-skool stuff, meant only to impress said high-skoolerrs to take up the cause, and join the army!

 

But of the fuzzy-wuzzies, beware--

They broke the hollow square!

 

See how easy it is--i can kipple, too!

 

EM

Actually he was down on the Imperialism of his nation.  He degraded those who put their faith in "reeking tube and shard". 

 

He knew at some level the game was up for British Imperialism.

 

Ba'al Chatzaf 

 

I believe you're citing "God of our fathers..."? 'Interesting interpretation!

Mine is more run-of-the-mill: as we colonialists are doing god's work, me must not forget (him).

 

EM



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 01:23 AM

Timbuktu

Tim and I a walking went
Found three lassies in a tent
Since they were three and we were two
I bucked one
And Timbuktu

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:27 AM

Timbuktu

Tim and I a walking went
Found three lassies in a tent
Since they were three and we were two
I bucked one
And Timbuktu

 

I know great poetry when I see it!

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:40 AM

I believe you're citing "God of our fathers..."? 'Interesting interpretation!

Mine is more run-of-the-mill: as we colonialists are doing god's work, me must not forget (him).

 

EM

 

I saw what the capitalists did to the Blue Ridge mountain region in the late 19th and early 20th century.  Barely a tree left standing. 

 

It was wretched and wrong.

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:53 AM

Brant you mean I missed my calling? :)

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:27 AM

I saw what the capitalists did to the Blue Ridge mountain region in the late 19th and early 20th century.  Barely a tree left standing. 

 

Bob,

 

Horseshit.

 

I was born in Wise County, Virginia.

 

Coal mining country.

 

I don't recall any lack of trees. Hell, that's all we had all around us.

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 11:40 AM

No contradiction here; much of Appalachia has come back from the destructive mining and logging practices of a century or more ago and probably looks better than untouched wilds would.  Franklin Toker's Fallingwater Rising is a good source on this.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 11:59 AM

Brant you mean I missed my calling? :smile:

 

Just call me "Tim." You're lucky you got one.

 

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poetry?--I don't need no stinkin' poetry!


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:02 PM

The folks filming The Last of the Mohicans couldn't believe they weren't surrounded by old growth forest.

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

The folks filming The Last of the Mohicans couldn't believe they weren't surrounded by old growth forest.

 

--Brant

The replanting of the Blue Ridge was started under the FDR Administration.  The CCC did a lot of work on that.  

 

The forest has not been clear cut since 1934  and is almost back to primary phase (forest prior to lumbering).

 

The photos of the Blue Ridge reduced almost to bare soil by clear cutting is enough to make a non-sentimental person such as I weep and gnash his teeth.  It was wicked and wrong to clear cut.  One can harvest lumber without destroying the entire forest.

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

Imagine that.

 

A good hunk of eight different USA states was deforested and laid barren and FDR brought it all back to life in a few short years.

 

And I grew up in the middle of that mountain range and never even heard about it. 

 

FDR was one hell of a president.

 

:smile:

 

Come on folks. Some devastation, OK. But does anyone have any idea about the size of that mountain range?

 

As a kid, I hated when my folks took the Blue Ridge Parkway (the part connected called Skyline Drive) because there was nothing but trees--lots and lots and lots of trees--and a winding road that never ended.

 

Incidentally, I remember my folks and aunts and uncles talking about the FDR construction projects. They called them "make work" jobs, by which they meant work that did not need to be done, but FDR was looking out for them. That was their perception.

 

I don't recall anyone lamenting a lack of a tree. Whenever we had to pee, there was always one around. :)

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:11 PM

LOL at "Tim" .

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:02 AM

Nice limerick - perfect for St. Pat's Day!

 

I have some completely obscene ones.

 

A...


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 06:56 PM

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