Jane Fonda

[Backlighting]

Here's an interesting read I came across from the Glock Forum posted by someone who lived thru hell.

Fonda the traitor!

Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. . .
And how good she feels in her 70's. . . She still does not know what she did wrong. . . Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

Barbara Walters said :
Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."

(I remember this well.)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

And now President Obama wants to honor her!!!!

In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED.
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

Barbara Walters writes:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward onto the camp commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hanoi Hilton". . . The first three of which his family only knew he was "missing in action." His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as "humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget. "100 Years of Great Women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

http://www.glockforum.net/forum/off-topic-discussion/14399-fonda-traitor.html

[merjet]

True or false?

[Mikee]

Who to believe?

[Selene]

Thanks guys.

I was about to run it through Snopes, the Barbara Wa Wa start was a huge red flag to me.

Why were these two singled out by Snopes?

Even Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, whose 2002 book "Aid and Comfort": Jane Fonda in North Vietnam made the argument that Jane Fonda could have been tried and convicted of treason for her activities in North Vietnam, acknowledged that the "slips of paper" tale was untrue:
Let's set the record straight. It has been reported on the Internet in recent years that POWs surreptitiously slipped Fonda messages which she turned over to the North Vietnamese. That story is false. Also untrue is that any POW died for refusing to meet with Fonda.

It has been reported in the media and on the Internet that two POWs were tortured in an effort to force them into meeting with Fonda. However, despite considerable effort to find independent corroboration of these stories, we have been unable to do so.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp#KG30m3ETYwGspMy2.99

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[Brant Gaede]

She gave "aid and comfort," no matter how much BS got layered on top.

Someone who student-shared Antioch College with my Father in the early 1930s--they knew each other--the Quaker peace-activist Horace Champney, got on a sailboat with a few others and sailed out of Japan in 1966 or 67 with food and medicine and delivered it to North Vietnam. Frankly, it was little more than what anti-war demonstrators were doing back in the States. None of them, as far as I know, however, did a photo op on an anti-aircraft gun. I gave the man a pass for that.

Does true "aid and comfort," in any proper legal sense, require a declaration of war? And I don't think the Constitution is enough. I think there has to be enabling legislation apropos extant, enforceable law. A Federal prosecutor might disagree, but so much is done, especially by the Federal government itself, that is unconstitutional, that the possibilities boggle the mind. While the Holzers may have covered this in their book--and I have it--it's so badly written I'm hardly motivated to go look. (On a scale of 1 to 5, it gets a 1 for value from me, which is not zero or a negative number for dis-value.)

--Brant

[merjet]

I believe her courting the North Vietnamese and slurring American soldiers was treasonous. Criminal or not, I don't know. I was more curious about Obama wanting to honor her (or not).

[Brant Gaede]

I hope he does. 30 years from now it would be another slur on her memory.

I suspect she'd be smart enough to turn it down. Too many veterans, such as myself, hate to be reminded of her. She needs to stick to her cookies and cream life, even if someone substituted salt for sugar in the recipe.

--Brant

[Selene]

I also think she can be prosecuted, and should be, depending on whether there is a statute of limitations issue.

Aid and Comfort to the Enemy should be the minimum to get a conviction.

Not sure it rises to the level of Treason.

However, she should be stripped of her American citizenship at a minimum and fined if that is in a usable statute.

A...

[Brant Gaede]

I don't think a natural-born American citizen can be stripped of citizenship. Encouraged to give it up? Maybe.

--Brant

[Selene]

I don't think a natural-born American citizen can be stripped of citizenship. Encouraged to give it up? Maybe.

--Brant

I was not sure either, so I need to check and if not, I am going to get someone to submit a one-page bill to Congress to enable us to do that for just cause.

Hell, if not, we can adopt the RFK option and just relocate them to a Columbian stretch of tarmac.

A...

[BaalChatzaf]

I also think she can be prosecuted, and should be, depending on whether there is a statute of limitations issue.

Aid and Comfort to the Enemy should be the minimum to get a conviction.

Not sure it rises to the level of Treason.

However, she should be stripped of her American citizenship at a minimum and fined if that is in a usable statute.

A...

According the the U.S. Constitution treason (which is the only crime defined in the Constitution) consists in making war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to any party that makes war against the United States. So it looks like Hanoi Jane could be indicted for treason. One of the women who were named Tokyo Rose who were American citizens were indicted for treason.

Here is the snippet.

Iva Toguri, better known as “Tokyo Rose,” was born in Los Angeles on July 4, 1916. After college, she visited Japan and was stranded there after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Forced to renounce her U.S. citizenship, Toguri found work in radio and was asked to host “Zero Hour,” a propaganda and entertainment program aimed at U.S. soldiers. After the war, she was returned to the U.S. and convicted of treason, serving 6 years in prison. Gerald Ford pardoned Tokyo Rose in 1976 and she died in 2006.

[Selene]

I also think she can be prosecuted, and should be, depending on whether there is a statute of limitations issue.

Aid and Comfort to the Enemy should be the minimum to get a conviction.

Not sure it rises to the level of Treason.

However, she should be stripped of her American citizenship at a minimum and fined if that is in a usable statute.

A...

According the the U.S. Constitution treason (which is the only crime defined in the Constitution) consists in making war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to any party that makes war against the United States. So it looks like Hanoi Jane could be indicted for treason. One of the women who were named Tokyo Rose who were American citizens were indicted for treason.

Here is the snippet.

Iva Toguri, better known as “Tokyo Rose,” was born in Los Angeles on July 4, 1916. After college, she visited Japan and was stranded there after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Forced to renounce her U.S. citizenship, Toguri found work in radio and was asked to host “Zero Hour,” a propaganda and entertainment program aimed at U.S. soldiers. After the war, she was returned to the U.S. and convicted of treason, serving 6 years in prison. Gerald Ford pardoned Tokyo Rose in 1976 and she died in 2006.

Bob, I understand about treason.

My point was giving aid and comfort to the enemy which is statutory and not in the Constitution, as far as I remember, and that being sufficient to revoke the person's US citizenship and deport them.

Like Jane Fonda,,,in fact, it should be The Jane Fonda American Citizenship Revocation Act...

A...

Post Script: Citizenship Revocation Act for Patriotic Protection ON Jane Fonda [ CRAP ON JANE FONDA]

Ok it needs some work lol

[Brant Gaede]

"Tokyo Rose" was more than one broadcaster.There were several. I agreed with the pardon back then after reading a lot more about her than I can remember now.

I'm glad my uncle was badly wounded in the South Pacific in 1943 and spent 18 months in hospital and rehab or he would have been a navigator on a B-29 bombing Japanese cities including Tokyo. He did do 60 missions in Korea and ended up with about 220 combat hours in the two wars. He said it might have been a record although no way to know. Then Vietnam and many airmen totaled many more hours and he was well retired. We buried him at Arlington a year ago.

--Brant

http://www.americanlegionpost598.net

(In the address bar after "net" add "/Photos/" then hit ENTER then click on page 5 then click on Dave Gaede funeral. I'm the guy seated receiving the flag. These are the only photos of me on the Internet. In the 4th photo I'm giving the flag in turn to distant cousin Col. Rex Gaede [ret.] because his father and my uncle had known each other. On a bombing raid in Guadalcanal my uncle jumped into a trench next to a man he did not know and introduced himself: "I'm David Gaede. The other guy said, "I'm David Gaede." Made the news with photo. The other Dave Gaede was a surgeon there but retired an Admiral and psychiatrist. After my uncle had his body saturated with shrapnel while in flight in a B-17 from an exploding 20mm Zero's cannon shell, he checked him out and told him he was going to make it.)

[Selene]

Despicable racist actress and traitor to the United States has formed a website to StopHateDumpTrump:

Eve Ensler, Kimberle Crenshaw, Jodie Evans, Laura Flanders, Harry Belafonte, Cornel West, Angela Davis, Danny Glover, Anthony Arnove, Michael Moore, Alicia Garza, Jane Fonda, Cindy Sherman, Rick Moody, Lily Tomlin, Noam Chomsky, Reza Aslan, Vijay Prashad, Kerry Washington, Saru Jayaraman, Connie Britton, Gloria Steinem, Alice Walker, Amanda Palmer, Michael Cunnigham, Rebecca Solnit, Cynthia Nixon, Terry Tempest Williams, Ai Jen Poo, Randi Weingarten, Jonathan Demme, Thandie Newton, James Schamus, Lydia Davis, Kathy Najimy, Dylan McDermott, Louise Erdrich, Anne Lamott, Terry O’Neil, Ani di Franco, Chris Hedges, Rosie O’Donnell, Jim Hightower, Judith leBlanc, Tom Hayden, Elizabeth Lesser, Dale Peck, Kathleen Chalfant, Rosanna Arquette, Fekkak Mamdouh, Marie Howe, Michael Klein, Carla Goldstein, Robin D.G. Kelly, Barbara Ehrenreich, Russell Banks, Macy Gray, Jennifer and Peter Buffett, Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum, Dr. Thomas Pogge, Van Jones, Rosa Clemente, Michael Dawson, Beverly Guy Sheftall, Cristina Jimenez, Randy Kennedy, Chandra Talpade Mohanty, Sister Joan Chittister, Roshi Joan Halifax, Andrew Hsiao, Tonya Pinkins, Sarah Jones, Roseann Barr, Luke Harris, Pamela Shifman, Laura Hanna, Purva Panday Cullman, Palak Shah, Tony Montenieri, Michael Archer

Now there is a nice deportation list...except for Angela Davis, Cuban citizen.

http://www.stophatedumptrump.com/

We believe Trump is a grave threat to democracy, freedom, human rights, equality, and the welfare of our country and all our people.

We have witnessed Trump inciting hatred against Muslims, immigrants, women, the disabled. We have seen him evidencing dangerous tendencies that threaten the bedrock of democracy: unleashing a lynch mob mentality against protestors, calling for the expulsion of Muslims from the country, bullying, and fear-mongering.

History has shown us what happens when people refuse to stand against hate-filled leaders.

We pledge ourselves to speak out in every way possible against the politics of hate and exclusion he represents.

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[Backlighting]

Thought I heard on Fox recently Hanoi Jane has apologized for her treason.

Not good enough for me...that slug can't un-ring that bell.

-J

[BaalChatzaf]

Bob, I understand about treason.

My point was giving aid and comfort to the enemy which is statutory and not in the Constitution, as far as I remember, and that being sufficient to revoke the person's US citizenship and deport them.

Look at Article 3 section 3 :

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

[Mark]

What aid and comfort? As far as I can tell Fonda’s actions had no effect whatever. And why spend time on a little brush fire when a firestorm is raging over at McNamara and Johnson? They were the traitors who killed and maimed thousands.

[Selene]

What aid and comfort? As far as I can tell Fonda’s actions had no effect whatever. And why spend time on a little brush fire when a firestorm is raging over at McNamara and Johnson? They were the traitors who killed and maimed thousands.

Because it matters and she is still alive and damaging America.

[BaalChatzaf]

Thought I heard on Fox recently Hanoi Jane has apologized for her treason.

Not good enough for me...that slug can't un-ring that bell.

-J

She was never indicted for treason. No indictment, no crime. We are all innocent until proven guilty of a crime charged against us, and in court.

[Selene]

Thought I heard on Fox recently Hanoi Jane has apologized for her treason.

Not good enough for me...that slug can't un-ring that bell.

-J

She was never indicted for treason. No indictment, no crime. We are all innocent until proven guilty of a crime charged against us, and in court.

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

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[BaalChatzaf]

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

A...

you have an opinion, not a case.

[Selene]

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

A...

you have an opinion, not a case.

lol yes Bob and it is also a fact that her acts were treason.

[BaalChatzaf]

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

A...

you have an opinion, not a case.

lol yes Bob and it is also a fact that her acts were treason.

The fact of treason has not been established legally. One man's facts are another man's arbitrary assertions. N. Vietnam was not legally at war with the U.S. nor was the U.S legally at war with N. Vietnam. Therefore N. Vietnam was not legally an enemy so anything Hanoi Jane did for N. Vietnam was legally, not aid and comfort to an enemy. The question of who is an enemy is a legal question.

[Roger Bissell]

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

A...

you have an opinion, not a case.

lol yes Bob and it is also a fact that her acts were treason.

The fact of treason has not been established legally. One man's facts are another man's arbitrary assertions. N. Vietnam was not legally at war with the U.S. nor was the U.S legally at war with N. Vietnam. Therefore N. Vietnam was not legally an enemy so anything Hanoi Jane did for N. Vietnam was legally, not aid and comfort to an enemy. The question of who is an enemy is a legal question.

So what they did to us, and what we did to them, were not violations of the Geneva Convention?

REB

[Backlighting]

Thought I heard on Fox recently Hanoi Jane has apologized for her treason.

Not good enough for me...that slug can't un-ring that bell.

-J

She was never indicted for treason. No indictment, no crime. We are all innocent until proven guilty of a crime charged against us, and in court.

Yes Bob, Joe knows that, I know that and most folks know that.

However, she is guilty of treason.

I have eyes and a rational mind.

Next.

A...

Yes I do know she was never convicted.

Adam & I both had good vision back then and the picture of that slug sitting atop an anti-aircraft gun alongside the Vietcong speaks volumes.

For them it was a great propaganda piece.

For her, it was a third rate actress seeking publicity.

-J

Here's some pics of that slug in N.Vietnam:

https://patriotpost.us/pages/80