Sarah Palin's response to the Massacre

[Selene]

I will be supporting Sarah Palin's run if she does it.

I like her character. And I like how she took apart the old boy network in her own party in Alaska.

Michael

Michael-a lot of so called 'experts' from what I hear anyway seem to think she will just end up getting Obama re-elected (which would be the end for this country I think and that is pretty scary)

You disagree? If so why?

That is my main reason for not supporting Sarah Palin and would love to hear your opinion on it.

Pippi:

The "experts" are the "approved" consultants that are being inputted into the thread that Sarah Palin will cause the Republican Party to lose to O'bama. This is because the "crony capitalist," country club, blue blood, Rino, Bush, big spending and deficit producing center of the current Republican party are trying their best to keep it business as usual.

The conservative, libertarian, home school and tea party segments which are growing rapidly, are what they fear will take over the party. Therefore, the entrenched powers will do their best to derail Palin.

They are just as afraid of her as the left is afraid of her.

Not only can she win, but she can win in a landslide, close to what Reagan put together. Additionally, O'biwan has to watch out for a run from his left, or from the Clinton wing.

We are fast approaching one of the major tipping point elections in our history which will make this last shift look like a High School class election.

Adam

[pippi]

I am probably going to support her-I like the fact that she is detested and feared by so many-where there is smoke there is fire.

We are fast approaching one of the major tipping point elections in our history which will make this last shift look like a High School class election.

So true!

Thanks Adam

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Pippi,

As far as the experts on the conservative side go, why listen to them? Those very experts got Obama elected in the first place.

And I believe it would have been by a landslide if John McCain had not invited Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

Just look what she did to the applecart in the midterm elections. Do you think all those Tea Party and libertarian-leaning people got elected because of the old boy network experts? Heh.

Michael

[pippi]

Pippi,

As far as the experts on the conservative side go, why listen to them? Those very experts got Obama elected in the first place.

And I believe it would have been by a landslide if John McCain had not invited Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

Just look what she did to the applecart in the midterm elections. Do you think all those Tea Party and libertarian-leaning people got elected because of the old boy network experts? Heh.

Michael

Exactly! I am certainly not one to kowtow to any self-proclaimed 'experts'. You are right McCain would have been an epic fail without her and she sure helped last November.

I am going to research Sarah-I love that she bothers people! ;)

Thanks

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Pippi,

I have mentioned something before about her (it's around here somewhere)--which is where I started thinking Sarah had good character (or at least as good as you can have if you are a politician).

When she was on the city council in Wasilla, some new law got passed that would require the local bars to shut their doors early. She was part of a church at this time that practiced abstinence.

She went to bat for the rights of the bar owners and helped get the law reversed, even as her church condemned drinking alcohol.

That, to me, shows discernment.

From what I have been able to judge after that, she knows the difference between political principles and personal moral ones, and she will most likely choose her political principles over church teaching in her policies when they conflict. I also don't detect corruption.

She's spunky, too. And far, far, far more intelligent than her critics will ever admit.

I think these are great qualities for high office.

To be clear, I am not a political animal, so all this stuff is distasteful to me on a very deep level. My attitude is if you have to do it, look at what people say and what they do. Try to find the person most committed to fulfilling their oaths of office. And when you judge. I find it far better to judge what they do over what they say when these conflict. I listen to what others say about them to get different perspectives and information, but priority-wise, this is merely input that goes along with my other observations. I'm rarely persuaded by someone's bad opinion of another.

Besides, Sarah pisses some people off just by existing in a manner I have seen very few other people do. This kinda reminds me of me.

Michael

[9thdoctor]

And I believe it would have been by a landslide if John McCain had not invited Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

I disagree. He blew his best critique of Obama, lack of experience, by nominating her.

[william.scherk]

And I believe it would have been by a landslide if John McCain had not invited Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

I disagree. He blew his best critique of Obama, lack of experience, by nominating her.

I took Michael to mean Obama would have crushed McCain had he nominated someone other than Palin -- so you are probably in agreement.

A lot of things can change between now and the next presidential election, of course, but Palin has trended down for the last year, leaving her at present with numbers below any of the other prospective Republican candidates in a race against Obama in 2012.

The newest McClatchy/Marist poll caps the trend to the bottom. See: Obama rebounding, would beat GOP rivals, crush Palin

From the McClatchy story:

Today Obama would beat Republican Mitt Romney by 51 to 38 percent, the poll showed. In a December McClatchy-Marist poll, he trailed the former Massachusetts governor by 46-44 percent.

Obama would defeat Republican Mike Huckabee by a similar margin, 50-38 percent. In December, the president led the former Arkansas governor by only 47-43 percent.

And he'd crush Palin by 56-30 percent. A month before, he led the former Alaska governor by 52-40 percent.

In each case, Obama owes his lead now to a unified base of support from Democrats and an edge among independents, who prefer the president by 10 points against Romney, 5 points against Huckabee and 28 points against Palin.

[kiaer.ts]

And I believe it would have been by a landslide if John McCain had not invited Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

I disagree. He blew his best critique of Obama, lack of experience, by nominating her.

McCain's poll numbers rose to above Obama's only once, immediately after he nominated Palin. They tanked again once he suspended campaigning and ran to Washing to "do something!" by voting for the buyout.

[9thdoctor]

I took Michael to mean Obama would have crushed McCain had he nominated someone other than Palin -- so you are probably in agreement.

It's impossible to say. What if he'd nominated Lieberman? On the experience issue, Hillary hammered on that point and still lost the nomination, so I can't claim to have a slam dunk case.

McCain's poll numbers rose to above Obama's only once, immediately after he nominated Palin. They tanked again once he suspended campaigning and ran to Washing to "do something!" by voting for the buyout.

I don't count this as evidence one way or the other. The Couric interview would have been devastating with or without the bailout (buyout?) fiasco.

[Robert Campbell]

For what it's worth, I see Sarah Palin as helping John McCain's campaign more than she hurt it.

But McCain was a poor choice to begin with, and in a year of financial collapse he was hopeless. When Lehman Brothers fell, McCain looked like a deer in the headlights. He was done. Obama didn't actually know what to do either, but he kept his cool.

I don't think the Republican nominee is going to end up being Romney, Huckabee, or Palin. And if that is so, all that the current polling means is that the Republicans need to find themselves someone else.

Robert Campbell

[Brant Gaede]

For what it's worth, I see Sarah Palin as helping John McCain's campaign more than she hurt it.

But McCain was a poor choice to begin with, and in a year of financial collapse he was hopeless. When Lehman Brothers fell, McCain looked like a deer in the headlights. He was done. Obama didn't actually know what to do either, but he kept his cool.

I don't think the Republican nominee is going to end up being Romney, Huckabee, or Palin. And if that is so, all that the current polling means is that the Republicans need to find themselves someone else.

Robert Campbell

The Gov. of New Jersey?

--Brant

[Selene]

For what it's worth, I see Sarah Palin as helping John McCain's campaign more than she hurt it.

But McCain was a poor choice to begin with, and in a year of financial collapse he was hopeless. When Lehman Brothers fell, McCain looked like a deer in the headlights. He was done. Obama didn't actually know what to do either, but he kept his cool.

I don't think the Republican nominee is going to end up being Romney, Huckabee, or Palin. And if that is so, all that the current polling means is that the Republicans need to find themselves someone else.

Robert Campbell

The Gov. of New Jersey?

--Brant

Brant:

He is a possible dark horse, but I think he would be wise to sit this one out. He is young enough. So is Palin. Neither has to pull the trigger this cycle.

Here are some other real possibilities:

Rick Santorem - from a key state - Pennsylvania, Conservative, good looking, speaks well and can raise the money;

Mike Pence - http://voices.washin...run_in_201.html

Jim DeMint - http://www.politico....0109/18005.html

Romney - still considered the front runner;

Gingrich - lots of baggage, but I would support him. He would eat O'biwan alive in any debates. Futurist. Brilliant. Excellent speaker;

Giuliani - connected, can raise the cash, vicious, tenacious campaigner, but his strategic staff sucks;

Donald Trump - is seriously considering running. Great speaker. Connected. Money no object. He will probably announce when his show ends this spring;

Tim Paulenti - solid, serious, popular;

Haley Barber - wise, has lots of I.O.U.'s. Would solidify the South and West where this one will be decided. Might be able to carry places like Ohio, Pennsylvania and NJ which would be just enough;

Mike Huckabee - I like him, but he will get lost in this field;

Herman Cain - black, can raise the cash, great speaker; http://www.politicsd...ential-candida/

Kascich - Governor of Ohio - ran before, I supported him, dark horse, but wonderful candidate.

Michelle Bachman - she has the desire, but I do not think she can raise the money on her own.

Adam

Edited January 15, 2011 by Selene

[pippi]

Adam no no no-so many of them are checked pants Repubs-we dont have time to wait for someone better!

I really like Chris Christie a ton (no pun intended) , he is a little soft on the gun issue though but no one is perfect I guess.

Fantastic Christie moment:

[Selene]

Adam no no no-so many of them are checked pants Repubs-we dont have time to wait for someone better!

I really like Chris Christie a ton (no pun intended) , he is a little soft on the gun issue though but no one is perfect I guess.

Fantastic Christie moment:

Pippi:

LOL

You should check out this thread that I started awhile back...

This Guy is like a Goldwater or Reagan

[Brant Gaede]

For what it's worth, I see Sarah Palin as helping John McCain's campaign more than she hurt it.

But McCain was a poor choice to begin with, and in a year of financial collapse he was hopeless. When Lehman Brothers fell, McCain looked like a deer in the headlights. He was done. Obama didn't actually know what to do either, but he kept his cool.

I don't think the Republican nominee is going to end up being Romney, Huckabee, or Palin. And if that is so, all that the current polling means is that the Republicans need to find themselves someone else.

Robert Campbell

The Gov. of New Jersey?

--Brant

Brant:

He is a possible dark horse, but I think he would be wise to sit this one out. He is young enough. So is Palin. Neither has to pull the trigger this cycle.

Here are some other real possibilities:

Rick Santorem - from a key state - Pennsylvania, Conservative, good looking, speaks well and can raise the money;

Mike Pence - http://voices.washin...run_in_201.html

Jim DeMint - http://www.politico....0109/18005.html

Romney - still considered the front runner;

Gingrich - lots of baggage, but I would support him. He would eat O'biwan alive in any debates. Futurist. Brilliant. Excellent speaker;

Giuliani - connected, can raise the cash, vicious, tenacious campaigner, but his strategic staff sucks;

Donald Trump - is seriously considering running. Great speaker. Connected. Money no object. He will probably announce when his show ends this spring;

Tim Paulenti - solid, serious, popular;

Haley Barber - wise, has lots of I.O.U.'s. Would solidify the South and West where this one will be decided. Might be able to carry places like Ohio, Pennsylvania and NJ which would be just enough;

Mike Huckabee - I like him, but he will get lost in this field;

Herman Cain - black, can raise the cash, great speaker; http://www.politicsd...ential-candida/

Kascich - Governor of Ohio - ran before, I supported him, dark horse, but wonderful candidate.

Michelle Bachman - she has the desire, but I do not think she can raise the money on her own.

Adam

Sorry. I don't like anybody I can ID on your list. Most of them are hang-you statists. The problem with the Republicans is they usually do the most damage, starting with Lincoln and ending with BushII--Bush who did the most damage to this country than anyone since Lincoln, but in somewhat different ways.

--Brant

[kiaer.ts]

For what it's worth, I see Sarah Palin as helping John McCain's campaign more than she hurt it.

But McCain was a poor choice to begin with, and in a year of financial collapse he was hopeless. When Lehman Brothers fell, McCain looked like a deer in the headlights. He was done. Obama didn't actually know what to do either, but he kept his cool.

I don't think the Republican nominee is going to end up being Romney, Huckabee, or Palin. And if that is so, all that the current polling means is that the Republicans need to find themselves someone else.

Robert Campbell

The Gov. of New Jersey?

--Brant

Brant:

He is a possible dark horse, but I think he would be wise to sit this one out. He is young enough. So is Palin. Neither has to pull the trigger this cycle.

Here are some other real possibilities:

Rick Santorem - from a key state - Pennsylvania, Conservative, good looking, speaks well and can raise the money;

Mike Pence - http://voices.washin...run_in_201.html

Jim DeMint - http://www.politico....0109/18005.html

Romney - still considered the front runner;

Gingrich - lots of baggage, but I would support him. He would eat O'biwan alive in any debates. Futurist. Brilliant. Excellent speaker;

Giuliani - connected, can raise the cash, vicious, tenacious campaigner, but his strategic staff sucks;

Donald Trump - is seriously considering running. Great speaker. Connected. Money no object. He will probably announce when his show ends this spring;

Tim Paulenti - solid, serious, popular;

Haley Barber - wise, has lots of I.O.U.'s. Would solidify the South and West where this one will be decided. Might be able to carry places like Ohio, Pennsylvania and NJ which would be just enough;

Mike Huckabee - I like him, but he will get lost in this field;

Herman Cain - black, can raise the cash, great speaker; http://www.politicsd...ential-candida/

Kascich - Governor of Ohio - ran before, I supported him, dark horse, but wonderful candidate.

Michelle Bachman - she has the desire, but I do not think she can raise the money on her own.

Adam

You left out Mitch Daniels.

Santorum is a smarmy family issues creep with no interest in economic freedom. I celebrated his Senate loss.

Romney is a moderate socialist, Huckabee too religious.

Giuliani is a bully, Trump of questionable integrity, and Gingrich far too hung up on religious issues, but I can support them.

Frankly, I don't see why Brant hasn't moved to France, where no one could ever be confused with Lincoln.

[Robert Campbell]

The Gov. of New Jersey?

--Brant

Brant:

He is a possible dark horse, but I think he would be wise to sit this one out. He is young enough. So is Palin. Neither has to pull the trigger this cycle.

Here are some other real possibilities:

Rick Santorem - from a key state - Pennsylvania, Conservative, good looking, speaks well and can raise the money;

Mike Pence - http://voices.washin...run_in_201.html

Jim DeMint - http://www.politico....0109/18005.html

Romney - still considered the front runner;

Gingrich - lots of baggage, but I would support him. He would eat O'biwan alive in any debates. Futurist. Brilliant. Excellent speaker;

Giuliani - connected, can raise the cash, vicious, tenacious campaigner, but his strategic staff sucks;

Donald Trump - is seriously considering running. Great speaker. Connected. Money no object. He will probably announce when his show ends this spring;

Tim Paulenti - solid, serious, popular;

Haley Barber - wise, has lots of I.O.U.'s. Would solidify the South and West where this one will be decided. Might be able to carry places like Ohio, Pennsylvania and NJ which would be just enough;

Mike Huckabee - I like him, but he will get lost in this field;

Herman Cain - black, can raise the cash, great speaker; http://www.politicsd...ential-candida/

Kascich - Governor of Ohio - ran before, I supported him, dark horse, but wonderful candidate.

Michelle Bachman - she has the desire, but I do not think she can raise the money on her own.

Adam

Adam,

Lots of problems with the folks on this list.

Santorum is a nasty piece of work, fixated on suppressing gays and prohibiting abortion. I don't think he is genuinely interested in economic issues. One of the worst faces of Bush Jr. Republicanism—I cheered his defeat in 2006, just as I cheered John Ashcroft's departure from Washington.

Pence has many of same positives at the Midwestern governors (see below). Doesn't have much name recognition yet.

DeMint has distinguished himself over the last couple of years, and is beginning to put Lindsay Graham in his shadow (I'm not a fan of Graham, but, hey, I can remember when South Carolina still had Strom Thurmond and Fritz Hollings in the Senate). Has been good on economic issues and has been getting better. He is a serious religious conservative, however. He publicly criticized the tea party "truce" over social issues.

Romney—damn, where can I start? He's the author of Romneycare. When Obamacare is front and center he simply cannot be the candidate. I can't believe no one has taken him aside and told him this. Maybe he's delusional and refuses to listen...

Gingrich. Really really smart but really malicious. Could stomp Obama in one of those "debates," but the guy is weighed down by his baggage.

Giuliani. You can't be the Republican nominee in 2012 if hardly anyone in the South likes you. The guy is perceived as a RINO hereabouts, where all the Democrats hasten to say they oppose gun control. If foreign policy issues were at the forefront, he might have a chace. But they weren't in 2008 and, so far, it doesn't appear that they will be in 2012. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Trump. Tons of name recognition, but will be seen as a showboat and a buffoon. The rest of the country is not like New York City, which rewards people who never saw a TV camera they didn't like. Has relied heavily on political connections to advance his commercial interests, and this will all come out if he runs for office.

Tim Pawlenty might be good. Mitch Daniels might be good. Midwestern governors who have gotten things done.

Barbour is from Mississippi. Won't hurt him with most Republicans in the South, but it will everywhere else. Mississippi has improved, but it is still a backward and corrupt state, still the kind of place that sends Trent Lott and Thad Cochran to the Senate. And unlike Bill Clinton, the Democrat from Arkansas, Barbour has not drawn a bright line between himself and his state's truly ugly past. He's already had to walk back a favorable comment about "Citizens' Councils" in Yazoo City. When the Left wants to make out all Republicans as racists, Barbour is a major liability.

Huckabee is very effective on TV, where in addition he's been getting lots of exposure. Has an affable public persona. I think he's still too eager to make his peace with the welfare state.

Cain I need to learn more about.

I think Kasich would be great. But Pawlenty and Daniels have been getting results and Kasich is just settling in. Kind of like with Christie, though Kasich does have the prior track record in Congress.

Michelle Bachmann I see as Sarah Palin's understudy. Fiery and potentially erratic. Already has high negatives, even though she is less well known.

Robert Campbell