kluss Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 did read latest papers on that of ppl they did have a hole in the brain wher the connscince was so are not a objectvism city a place for that kind of ppl?becuse alltruism and sacrefiing are evil,and self made men are the heros (the ritch idepentent ppl not the self suffecien ones) big % of psycopath are entrepunoers its said thar big % of CEOs and investoers are that other then of course crimenalsthe dont have ementions cant take big risk and dont feel regret the only ppl that shoot to kill the only pepol that are real rational and act like that (the story abut the train that have to change the rail so you dont kill 3 foks not 2 foks and what you would do , i dont rember this whole thing and becuse i dont write perfect enghlis maybe some other foks rember i better them me )are psycopathhalft of the pyscopath that have the dna to be it do only get it becuse they are living in a margenelaized part of soscity so will not a system that have not welfer and low wages promote pyscopath thinking humans ?will not that make a lots of cost for other huamsns/companys/court syrtem/police/school and other organizations that in other polictiacl system be the state/goverment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Dustt,Psychopath is a pretty offensive word in English.It seems like you are asking of real Objectivists are scumbags.I don't know for sure, but I imagine this is not your intention.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kluss Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 psychopath yes not necessary scumbags eh real i think this got lost in translation real = reality/the substances of things not the contexts or the image style of things ( like a drug dealers are a asshole but in reality they are also very good salesmen they can sell empty bottles or trash cans if that’s the thing or porn starts get good paid but they can in reality they end up whit aids ) not sure what the exacts English translation would be like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath that growth up in poverty will more likely make more ppl psychopath because income differences will make some ppl poor and in marginalized part of society not as offen used as a four letter word and of course i did wonder if it are more % in objectvist then in normal ppl not that all was that and if it more likely to get that personality if you did growth up in a place like thatcomment?btw usa have lower number on test scores to be it then Norway have to be a Psychopath remember in my country we have the saying totally texas =totally out of control messy and ppl can don exactly how they want (in this country a right wing democrat are a redneck ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagJohn Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 (edited) I believe that I am a "borderline' psychopath. For instance, I don't really care if the world stops spinning after I die. I also don't see why anyone cares, or why anyone bothers to have kids. I like kids just fine, just don't want the responsibility/hassle of raising any. Never did, never will. I've received some really strange looks from people after I tell them that, and some were pretty far out "neonazi" types, too. :-) Edited December 24, 2010 by RagJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I didn't really know any psychopaths until I got involved with Objectivism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaer.ts Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I didn't really know any psychopaths until I got involved with Objectivism.Says the man who studied neurolinguistic programming to hypnotize women into his bedchamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Says the man who studied neurolinguistic programming to hypnotize women into his bedchamber.Thisiis also very common. It's an Objectivist making a negative comment on something that he is completely and totally uninformed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Speed Seduction is many, many things. Sometimes it is deceitful manipulation, other times it is little more than story telling and magic tricks. Don't be so quick to judge. Edited January 8, 2011 by Joel Mac Donald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaer.ts Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Says the man who studied neurolinguistic programming to hypnotize women into his bedchamber.Thisiis also very common. It's an Objectivist making a negative comment on something that he is completely and totally uninformed about.As for your words on women (and respect for them or lack thereof), anyone who cares can read them at Rebirth of Reason, for at least as long as that site lasts at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Speed Seduction is many, many things. Sometimes it is deceitful manipulation, other times it is little more than story telling and magic tricks. Don't be so quick to judge.Every person goes in and out of states all the time. Seduction and attraction are trance states. One of the most powerful things that anyone can get from the teachings is that attraction is a process, not a feeling. Every man and woman has an attraction process. There are things that can turn it on and can turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippi Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Speed Seduction is many, many things. Sometimes it is deceitful manipulation, other times it is little more than story telling and magic tricks. Don't be so quick to judge.Every person goes in and out of states all the time. Seduction and attraction are trance states. One of the most powerful things that anyone can get from the teachings is that attraction is a process, not a feeling. Every man and woman has an attraction process. There are things that can turn it on and can turn it off.speed seduction? that is LOL stupideveryone goes in and out of states? speak for yourself-nothing is a trance state unless you want it to be unless you drug yourself then once again it is of your choosingon attractionThe man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer whatever Edited January 8, 2011 by pippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippi Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Every person goes in and out of states all the time. Seduction and attraction are trance states. One of the most powerful things that anyone can get from the teachings is that attraction is a process, not a feeling. Every man and woman has an attraction process. There are things that can turn it on and can turn it off.what "teachings"? trance states are self induced for the most part ( by drugs, self hypnosis, extreme meditation or other means) -if they arent the person is out of their mind basically-I actually thought you had something to say now I realize you dont (to me anyway maybe to others)peace Edited January 8, 2011 by pippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Pippi, some good articles on what trance is can be found here - http://www.hypnosisandsuggestion.org/frequently-asked-questions-about-hypnosis.htmlChris, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Engle Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Every person goes in and out of states all the time. Seduction and attraction are trance states. One of the most powerful things that anyone can get from the teachings is that attraction is a process, not a feeling. Every man and woman has an attraction process. There are things that can turn it on and can turn it off. I think I am getting turned on. Maybe it is just the Arabic music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kluss Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 In think 50 years from now you can putt that in to a pill sedunc thing at the same time maybe force (can objecvtivts allow that ?) pcyopaths too treatment since it not matter in the connscuisne part of the brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrzprst Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) The OP is misunderstanding ethical egoism. A truly rational egoist is a social egoist. You cannot live in a society without affecting other people, and you can only truly fulfill your own self-interest by treating other people in a way that creates positive social relations. The self-interest of one individual and that of another are not mutually exclusive.Also, psychopaths shouldn't be forced to do anything, because force messes everything up. Edited January 31, 2011 by vaguelyhumanoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaer.ts Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hi, Jackie. Who is this "OP" you keep referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Hi, Jackie. Who is this "OP" you keep referring to?OP = Objectivist Philosophy? The OP is misunderstanding ethical egoism. A truly rational egoist is a social egoist. You cannot live in a society without affecting other people, and you can only truly fulfill your own self-interest by treating other people in a way that creates positive social relations. The self-interest of one individual and that of another are not mutually exclusive.We human beings are motivated by 100 % self-interest (which is biologically hardwired because without it, we could not survive) and since we are also group beings who cannot survive without the group, our self-interest can of course include so called altruistic acts as well.I have performed many "altruistic" actions in my life because doing so makes me feel good. Being able to feel empathy is a key element as well. But empathy hardly plays a role in the Objectivst ethics. Edited January 31, 2011 by Xray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Who is this "OP" you keep referring to?Internet forum slang for 'original poster,' I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Who is this "OP" you keep referring to?Internet forum slang for 'original poster,' I think.Ahh, William, I think that is correct. I could not for the life of me come up with another idea.I thought Objectivist Philosophy was pretty clever though.But then Shayne would accuse me of pandering.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrzprst Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Who is this "OP" you keep referring to?Internet forum slang for 'original poster,' I think.Ahh, William, I think that is correct. I could not for the life of me come up with another idea.I thought Objectivist Philosophy was pretty clever though.But then Shayne would accuse me of pandering....Whenever anyone takes a side in a debate besides Shayne's, he accuses that person of pandering. Edited February 2, 2011 by vaguelyhumanoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Whenever anyone takes a side in a debate besides Shane's, he accuses that person of pandering.Careful there. Shane and Shayne are two different posters on OL.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Whenever anyone takes a side in a debate besides Shane's, he accuses that person of pandering.Careful there. Shane and Shayne are two different posters on OL.--BrantYep, one is a responsible adult who you can have an valuable conversation with and the other lives in Utah.Attention Shayne: this is of course my pandering to humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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