Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

[Brant Gaede]

Time is a measurement.

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

13 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Time is a measurement.

--Brant

Brant,

A measurement of what?

And what is the standard?

Itself, that does not exist?

 

I know I can measure time based on my growth, for an easy example. Is it your position that only the opposite is true, that growth does not happen over  time and that one cannot measure time because time is measurement itself?

 

I hold space and time to be corollaries of the axiomatic concepts, especially existence and identity.

I cannot imagine existence without space and time being a part of it, nor can I imagine an existent having a specific identity without that identity existing within space and time.

The rest is nothing but ghosts.

Michael

 

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51 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Time is a measurement.

--Brant

Time is the context of change. - Me.

[Brant Gaede]

3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Brant,

A measurement of what?

And what is the standard?

Itself, that does not exist?

 

I know I can measure time based on my growth, for an easy example. Is it your position that only the opposite is true, that growth does not happen over  time and that one cannot measure time because time is measurement itself?

 

I hold space and time to be corollaries of the axiomatic concepts, especially existence and identity.

I cannot imagine existence without space and time being a part of it, nor can I imagine an existent having a specific identity without that identity existing within space and time.

The rest is nothing but ghosts.

Michael

 

Of motion.

--Branto

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

3 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Of motion.

--Branto

Brant,

But isn't motion a measurement of change?

 

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

Space is the density of matter plus the distance between specified objects, more or less.

--Brant

getting ready to go semantical

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

13 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Of motion.

--Branto

Brant,

I can do a million of them, but just one more for now.

Does time measure the motion of consciousness?

If that is true, how does consciousness move?

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

10 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Brant,

I can do a million of them, but just one more for now.

Does time measure the motion of consciousness?

If that is true, how does consciousness move?

Michael

Obviously I've given you too much to digest in too short a period of time.

In a day or so you'll suddenly realise I'm right. The same will happen for me.

--Brant

I think it's called cross referencing

[Brant Gaede]

Consciousness can move in a boat, car, airplane . . .

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 minute ago, Brant Gaede said:

Obviously I've given you too much to digest in too short a period of time.

In a day or so you'll suddenly realise I'm right. The same will happen for me.

--Brant

I think it's called cross referencing

Brant,

Ha!

 

I'll try to make time for it.

Er... 

I mean... I'll try to measure something with time to make er... make er... make... I mean...

I'll try to measure something with time to make something measured with time for it.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

2 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

Consciousness can move in a boat, car, airplane . . .

--Brant

Brant,

Close, but no cigar.

When we measure consciousness, we don't measure vehicle paths.

 

Try it:

Q: How aware are you today?
A: 500 miles by speeding car, meaning 5 hours.

Does that make any sense?

 

Michael