Adam Selene

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Rich,

I don't mind court documents. If they're on the net, they're public and the fact that they exist is a good starting point for any discussion of facts.

They sure beat the hell out of name-calling in terms of seriousness.

But I do admit they take some of the fun out of it.

After all, a rant in legalese just doesn't sound the same as cussin'...

Michael

[Philip Coates]

> the inappropriate nature of publishing legal documents about him

When someone is convicted of a crime it is appropriate to publish the legal documents.

If it's just a personal quirk but not a felony, that would be an entirely different matter. You don't seem to have grasped the seriousness of what he did and that it is not an allegation, but proven in a courtroom.

He's a bad guy - he did things I don't anyone else posting here would do. And people need to be warned of that.

End of discussion. End of debate.

[Rich Engle]

When someone is convicted of a crime it is appropriate to publish the legal documents.

If it's just a personal quirk but not a felony, that would be an entirely different matter. You don't seem to have grasped the seriousness of what he did and that it is not an allegation, but proven in a courtroom.

He's a bad guy - he did things I don't anyone else posting here would do. And people need to be warned of that.

End of discussion. End of debate.

Says you, or what, Phil? I was talking about how it was brought here, not what was done. Where does it end? Perhaps we should all perform investigations upon one another. That would be a great party.

And yes, I did "grasp" it. Sorry to disappoint you. Of course, you could test me again with another Jimmy Carter quote. Here, I'll provide comic relief from a sad situation, and also do what you did, but make it end easier (since mine can be figured out).

Insurance ad on the Internet: "If you haven't had 3 tickets in the last year, you are probably paying too much for insurance (click here)."

What's wrong with this statement if you are selling insurance?

Whoever wins (and whoever wins is who I say)--I will use an old password I still have, and personally mail you a pdf of Phil's credit report, along with special features.

There, that should give you a bit of inspiration for the next time you want to test our didactics, or whatever the eff that was you were up to.

rde

Betting Phil will write a 500 word post on dual results.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Rich Engle

[Dragonfly]

An interesting series of examples of cognitive dissonance. "He was nice", "I liked him", "He was an Objectivist/libertarian [whatever]", "I agreed with his posts", so if you read that he was caught in a serious crime, that cannot be true as that would mean that your judgment was incorrect (boy, would that be embarrassing!) and that you were deceived by him. Well gentlemen, that is exactly the strong suit of con men, to deceive you so that you like them and trust them, and that is why they will always find new victims.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Dragonfly,

One of the fundamental arms of a con man is being likable.

Can you imagine conning someone who thinks you are a creep?

There's nothing wrong with liking a likable person at a distance. You don't have to like what he does or even approve of it.

Michael

[Dragonfly]

Dragonfly,

One of the fundamental arms of a con man is being likable.

Can you imagine conning someone who thinks you are a creep?

That was exactly my point...

[Peter]

Peter Reidy wrote:

The underlying crime sounds like a rom-com plot. Hugh Grant and Reese Witherspoon today, Cary Grant / Carole Lombard or Tracy / Hepburn in their day.

End quote

That’s a good analogy. And Reese IS one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. I have some downloaded “celebrity stills” of her. However, I can’t see her playing the part anymore. She has graduated to “higher” acting, like playing pop singers Rosanne Cash, Peggy Lee, (and maybe next year, Lady GaGa. Just kidding, but can you imagine Reese singing, “I don’t want to Eff anymore?”)

Hugh Grant and Drew Barrymore would be perfect in this romantic comedy. Adam Selene could play himself. After Drew and Hugh think they are divorced, they each remarry, but the news of Adam’s conviction hits the pages of The NY Times (“. . . local con-man swindles the stars . . .” page 14)

Sorry, Adam if I am piling on, but I have written about the “observed psychology” of Anarchists as being people who walk the line. Anarchists run the gamut from mafia types to dopers, gold swindlers, runners of escort services, con-men, Nietzschean super men, and all those wanta be rock star’s living Le Viva Loca. Here is a requote.

From “The Goddess of the Market, Ayn Rand and the American Right,” by Jennifer Burns, pages 217 and 218:

Far from welcoming the swelling in Objectivist ranks, Rand was increasingly suspicious of those who claimed to speak in her name, even the Ayn Rand campus clubs, which germinated spontaneously at many of the nation’s top colleges and universities, including Boston University, Dartmouth, MIT, Stanford, and Columbia, began to bother her, for they used her name without her supervision. In May 1965 Nathan issued a rebuke and a warning to the campus clubs in The Objectivist Newsletter. He and Rand were particularly concerned about the names those organizations might choose. Nathan explained that names such as Ayn Rand Study Club were appropriate, whereas names such as The John Galt Society were not. “As a fiction character, John Galt is Miss Rand’s property; he is not in the public domain,” Nathan argued.

He also spelled out the proper nomenclature for those who admired Rand’s ideas. The term Objectivist was “intimately and exclusively associated with Miss Rand and me,” he wrote. “A person who is in agreement with our philosophy should describe himself, not as an Objectivist, but as a student or a supporter of Objectivism.” At a later date, when the philosophy had spread further, it might be possible for there to be more than two Objectivists. Further, any campus club that wished to issue a newsletter should indicate their agreement with Objectivism but make clear that they were not official representatives of the philosophy . . ."

“. . . Nathan closed with a strong attack against another group of Rand readers, the “craven parasites” who sought to use Objectivism for non-Objectivist ends. Into this category fell anyone who advocated political anarchism and anyone who tried to recruit NBI students into schemes for a new free market nation or territory.

End quote

I like that last paragraph. “Craven parasites,” only two Objectivists allowed, and NO new free market nation schemes? Well. That means Anarchists can’t be Objectivists. So there. But I still grant George H. Smith honorary Objectivist Scholar status.

I have the Heller book but haven’t read it yet.

Peter, I see you are sporting a beard now. Very distinguished looking and not too much like Santa Clause )

Semper cogitans fidele,

Peter Taylor

[kiaer.ts]

Chris's sudden death got me wondering

Might I ask who is the late Chris?

I see Chris Grieb passed away. I remember his contributions to Kirez Korgan's O-List from Cornell.

Edited August 24, 2010 by Ted Keer

[Starbuckle]

So did this Adam Selene turn out to be a different one from the one posting at OL?

[pippi]

I am so sure this isnt the same Adam as the Adam/Selene who posts now.

Edited January 19, 2011 by pippi

[Brant Gaede]

So did this Adam Selene turn out to be a different one from the one posting at OL?

? He stopped posting for a few months and came back last summer.

--Brant

[syrakusos]

Well, I thought he was a girl.

He signs on as Selene, not "Adam Selene."

My daughter's name is Selene. We pronounce it Sell-eh-nee, but the local Greeks used the modern pronunciation, "Sell-ee-nee" by what linguists call "ioticism" the upward shift in vowels.

The name, of course, come from Heinlein's Moon/Mistress, but also from Asimov's The Gods Themselves, in which the viewpoint woman was one of very many on Luna with that name, though to set herself off from the crowd, she used the three syllables Sell-uh-nee.

And then there was Hagbard Celine from the Illuminatus Trilogy.

[Starbuckle]

At the beginning of this thread, there was a question about whether OL's Adam Selene was the same man as an Adam Selene in NJ, also known as Adam Cappellazzi, who was "charged with forging the signatures of two Queens Supreme Court Justices on the purported divorce papers of two separate couples. He was arrested today during a sting operation in which an investigator posed as a person seeking his services to help mediate his divorce." The question was raised in this thread because the OL Selene stopped posting on the same day that the Cappellazzi-Selene, of Hillside, NJ, was arrested; and because an Adam Selene who belonged to an NYC Objectivist Club listed his town as Hillside, NJ, according to Brant in post #2.

What I wanted to know, then, was not whether there have been other uses of the word "Selene" in world history, but whether the OL Adam Selene is the same Adam Selene who was arrested, and if so, whether he denies the charges.

[9thdoctor]

At the beginning of this thread, there was a question

See the other thread:

http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9183&st=0&p=107085entry107085

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Starbuckle,

From the other thread Dennis linked to.

And, yes, this is a very serious matter. And affects those who deal with him.

Phil,

Don't deal with him.

Problem solved.

I'm closing this thread.

Idem for this thread.

btw - PM him if you are all that interested, as he offered in the other thread.

Michael