Brant Gaede Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I would love to see gods or demons in the present political scene so I could get riled, but I don't. I just see basically good people (the part I like) who are politicians (the part I don't like). One leans one way and the other leans another, but the leaning is not all that steep.Michael"Good people." Good Germans.--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 "Good people." Good Germans.Brant,Not in the mainstream America I see. There are fringe crazies and some nasty gangs, but nothing mainstream in the sense you mean. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Biggers Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I have been watching the conventions and I am going to go out on a limb.I believe there are two fine men running for President and they make me proud to be an American. I just watched Sarah Palin deliver an extremely impressive speech and I believe she is a reformist who will make a real change if elected.I have lived through Nixon and some Brazilian politicians you would not believe. I see nothing of that caliber in these candidates. They are men and a woman of principle. I do not agree with all their principles, and each candidate has shortcomings, but I agree with enough of their principles and I see enough of their strengths to know they are good reasonable people who will work hard to improve everything.Irrespective of who wins, the USA will be in good hands. I don't believe for a minute in all the prophesies of doom. The USA will not go to hell in a handbasket. It will still be around after the term of whoever wins, and I predict it will be much stronger.This is a beautiful election. A high-quality election. A win-win election. A libertarian-Republican candidate managed to put Objectivist values into mainstream politics. A black and a woman are on the ticket and they got there by their merits. Each person on the ticket is a principled maverick.What a great time to be in this country!I feel much better about this election than I did about the one between Bush and Gore, then Bush and Kerry.MichaelI am tired of voting for the lesser evil. This election I am writing in Cthuhlu for President.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CthulhuBa'al ChatzafBaal,Why go to the effort of writing-in CTHULHU? Isn't that redundant?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Bissell Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I believe there are two fine men running for President and they make me proud to be an American...Irrespective of who wins, the USA will be in good hands. This is a...win-win election.Win-win? In good hands? Here, stripped of all the woozy, vague catch-phrases, are the respective philosophies of McCain and Obama. Still think you're proud to be American because of these two "fine men"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I believe there are two fine men running for President and they make me proud to be an American...Irrespective of who wins, the USA will be in good hands. This is a...win-win election.Win-win? In good hands? Here, stripped of all the woozy, vague catch-phrases, are the respective philosophies of McCain and Obama. Still think you're proud to be American because of these two "fine men"?Neither of them ever uttered "national socialism" (with or without the bold emphasis). That pair of tricked up photos are amusing (to some) but mendacious. I am wriing in C'thuluh this year. Why settle for the lesser evil?Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 Still think you're proud to be American because of these two "fine men"?Roger,Yup.You could also strip the socialist phrases in the cartoon and put in individualist ones. There are plenty of them from both. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 You are jokeing, right? There isn't a dimes worth of difference between them. They will both bring us more government. Isn't Objectivism about more freedom and more personal responsibility? I have been watching the conventions and I am going to go out on a limb.I believe there are two fine men running for President and they make me proud to be an American. I just watched Sarah Palin deliver an extremely impressive speech and I believe she is a reformist who will make a real change if elected.I have lived through Nixon and some Brazilian politicians you would not believe. I see nothing of that caliber in these candidates. They are men and a woman of principle. I do not agree with all their principles, and each candidate has shortcomings, but I agree with enough of their principles and I see enough of their strengths to know they are good reasonable people who will work hard to improve everything.Irrespective of who wins, the USA will be in good hands. I don't believe for a minute in all the prophesies of doom. The USA will not go to hell in a handbasket. It will still be around after the term of whoever wins, and I predict it will be much stronger.This is a beautiful election. A high-quality election. A win-win election. A libertarian-Republican candidate managed to put Objectivist values into mainstream politics. A black and a woman are on the ticket and they got there by their merits. Each person on the ticket is a principled maverick.What a great time to be in this country!I feel much better about this election than I did about the one between Bush and Gore, then Bush and Kerry.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 You are jokeing, right?Nope.Isn't Objectivism about more freedom and more personal responsibility?Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbeaulieu Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Random,It's politics we're talking about here. As such, the two candidates we have swing bats of differing philosophies (obviously). It will be a long time in coming before Objectivism takes its proper place. For now, it's in the minority.Like it or not, we have four choices - vote McCain, vote Obama, don't vote, or go with Ba'al's pick of Cthulhu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara Branden Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Michael: "Barbara, I am confused about your appraisal of Obama. Are you saying he does have an ideology, or that he does not have an ideology? That he is a man of priniple (the wrong ones) or that he does not have principles (he flip-flops all the time)?"I'm saying both and neither. I don't think the man has any first-hand, independently-arrived-at principles -- unless one considers the desire for adulation to be a principle -- but I believe he will not and cannot back away from the essential ideas that have been, so to speak, "mentored" into him, for fear of losing the favor of his teachers. Michael:"Also, do you think Obama is committed to sponsoring domestic terrorism? From your remarks, you sound like you do."No, of course I don't think that. But do I think he is committed to preventing domstic terroriom? No, of course I don't think that.Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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