Is evil rational?

[Brant Gaede]

No they don't they supposedly disassembled then Brant. Stupidly I might add.

Much more dangerous--and stupid--is the deterioration of US nuclear weaponry programs, especially with the retirement and dying off of engineers. Replacements of these is crucial to American defense capability.

Your idea for fighting ISIS isn't very good for several reasons, but not to take them on effectively is where the shit is hitting the fan.

--Brant

[moralist]

If the US insists on going to war with ISIS they should probably use a few neutron bombs, kill all the people, very low collateral damage, blast areas confined to about 500 yards, minimizes civilian casualties and sends a clearly counter terrorist message. Plus the affected area isn't radioactively contaminated for long, a couple months at most. Again... Politically incorrect. You don't need to use large ones either. Probably the only way to crush them without putting boots on the ground while sending a loud and clear "don't fuck with us or else more to follow message".

I don't even know where to begin describing how stupid this is.

Of course it would seem stupid to you, Gary. Your view of war is the weak spineless limpwristed politically correct liberal one.

Your view trades four enemy generals for one worthless immoral deserting traitor. Your view set the head of ISIS free from custody to build the latest threat.

Your liberal politically correct view creates problems and then pretends to solve them which only creates more problems.

Your view ALWAYS loses wars.

Greg

[william.scherk]

Here are some other "chelation" uses:

Alternative Chelation Methods

When you check the web by searching under chelation terms almost everyone is talking about EDTA IV or

Oral Chelation. There are many other nutrients and chemical compounds to either compliment EDTA or

standalone to help you increase your circulation and blood flow.

[...]

I have been doing research since 1980 and everyday more and more research is being done that shows

the right foods can clear plaque from arteries as well as EDTA and the therapies mentioned below.

Now it has been found that pomegranate juice can reduce plaque by 13% in 3 months. Check it out on

our blog.

I don't know that much about the author of the site you linked. She/he can't spell 'complement,' which arouses my skepticism. That he or she maintains that there are no side-effects (or hazards) of chelation is revealing -- in other words wrong. I wonder at the scientific integrity of anyone who claims there are no hazards or side-effects.

One indication that we are reading a zealot/marketer/promoter is thus on the side-effects page. It does note a side-effect (yes, while asserting there are no side-effects!) of chelation is that it can strip the body of necessary (mineral) nutrients. Okay, true, but then the page asserts that the loss of these essential nutrients can be countered by giving supplements to replace them. This is special pleading, and worse, to my eyes.

"We strip mineral nutrients from your body, and then we put them back in! And we charge for both procedures."

Although this is testimonial, I also would speak with the other patients of Dr. Corsello while my

father was in the lounge chair in the sun room. Some came from all over the world for diabetes,

cancer and a variety of other "dis-eases." To the person they swore by the therapies.

I don't think testimonials are particularly useful in medicine, except perhaps for marketing Miracle Cures. The site you linked to is an advocacy site. The guy who runs it has zero medical training or credentials ... and is in the business of selling.

Sometimes I wonder at our reasoning skills (as objective/Objectivish observers) when examining the margins between medicine and quackery.

Edited September 23, 2014 by william.scherk

[Gary Fisher]

@Jules Troy

No they don't they supposedly disassembled then Brant. Stupidly I might add.

Oh really? So the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaties were a stupid idea...Maybe you can explain, using your obviously deep knowledge and understanding of strategic warfare, why the enormous costs of building and maintaining nuclear warheads that offer no military advantage whatsoever is a good idea?

[Gary Fisher]

Of course it would seem stupid to you, Gary. Your view of war is the weak spineless limpwristed politically correct liberal one.

Your view trades four enemy generals for one worthless immoral deserting traitor. Your view set the head of ISIS free from custody to build the latest threat.

Your liberal politically correct view creates problems and then pretends to solve them which only creates more problems.

Your view ALWAYS loses wars.

Greg

I must confess that this may be the very first time that anything I've ever said has been called "liberal" and "politically correct".

[Brant Gaede]

@Jules Troy

No they don't they supposedly disassembled then Brant. Stupidly I might add.

Oh really? So the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaties were a stupid idea... Maybe you can explain, using your obviously deep knowledge and understanding of strategic warfare, why the enormous costs of building and maintaining nuclear warheads that offer no military advantage whatsoever is a good idea?

It's all debatable. While Jules doesn't seem to know how to fight a war--this war--it's no fair to dump on him for wrong tactics unless you've got better ones, where the real get on is is whether we should be doing anything and how did this situation devolve to its present state? Greg, of course, came ridiculous by telling you so much about yourself from knowing next to nothing about you.

--Brant

[william.scherk]

This is a marvelous exchange.

If the US insists on going to war with ISIS they should probably use a few neutron bombs, kill all the people, very low collateral damage, blast areas confined to about 500 yards, minimizes civilian casualties and sends a clearly counter terrorist message.

I don't even know where to begin describing how stupid this is.

Of course it would seem stupid to you, Gary. Your view of war is the weak spineless limpwristed politically correct liberal one. [...]

Your view ALWAYS loses wars.

Although I feel friendly towards Jules (trapped as he is with me and Carol and Jerry in the socialist hellhole Canada), I agree with Gary Kasparov that use of neutron bombs is not well reasoned or warranted.

Looks like the Breastplate of Righteousness thinks that if you disagree with using neutron bombs in Iraq/Syria, then you are a limp-wrist and weak, ie, gay-ish. This has a kind of zany appeal to the lowest stereotypes. Fun!

Edited September 23, 2014 by william.scherk

[Brant Gaede]

I can think of a few places to drop neutron bombs. None are in over there.

--Brant

will they get rid of termites?

[Jules Troy]

Obama : I don't have a plan

2 weeks later: ok I have a plan but I won't commit ground troops.

Talk about telegraphing a punch.

What he SHOULD have said if anything at all is. I'm going to seek congressional approval to declare war on Islamic State. Statehood has responsibilities and your about to suffer the consequences of them.

Then he should let his generals decide the course of action to deal with fighting them. That's what they are there for.

[Jules Troy]

I can think of a few places to drop neutron bombs. None are in over there.

--Brant

will they get rid of termites?

[Jules Troy]

Maybe they should have cloned John Wayne and set him loose!

[Selene]

I don't think testimonials are particularly useful in medicine, except perhaps for marketing Miracle Cures. The site you linked to is an advocacy site. The guy who runs it has zero medical training or credentials ... and is in the business of selling.

Sometimes I wonder at our reasoning skills (as objective/Objectivish observers) when examining the margins between medicine and quackery.

William:

Let's get something straight.

I merely put up the first site on my search that appeared to explain chelation to

Brant because he indicated that he did not know much about it.

I do not vouch for that site.

I do vouch for what I observed over several years and probably over 150 people

as random as you could get, racially, culturally and nationality were significantly

helped.

A...

[Selene]

I must confess that this may be the very first time that anything I've ever said has been called "liberal" and "politically correct".

Well that is interesting.

Maybe you should get out more.

Also, maybe you should actually listen to what a person is attempting

to communicate rather than being rude.

A...

Your pal...

[Francisco Ferrer]

The objective reality of moral law operates on Earth impersonally and ubiquitously just like gravity... and no one can escape it.

Except for Stalin who died peacefully in his sleep.

[Selene]

The objective reality of moral law operates on Earth impersonally and ubiquitously just like gravity... and no one can escape it.

Except for Stalin who died peacefully in his sleep.

And of course you believe the Soviet Communists just this once?

Hmmm

[Brant Gaede]

Like Hitler, he was chewing on a rug.

--Brant

asking for tabasco sauce (Hitler wanted guacamole)

[Jules Troy]

I kinda like what happened to Mussolini..

[Selene]

I kinda like what happened to Mussolini..

Yep.

We know how to make a point.

Et tu ___________________ fill in your favorite person...

[moralist]

Of course it would seem stupid to you, Gary. Your view of war is the weak spineless limpwristed politically correct liberal one.

Your view trades four enemy generals for one worthless immoral deserting traitor. Your view set the head of ISIS free from custody to build the latest threat.

Your liberal politically correct view creates problems and then pretends to solve them which only creates more problems.

Your view ALWAYS loses wars.

Greg

I must confess that this may be the very first time that anything I've ever said has been called "liberal" and "politically correct".

This is your kind of Commander in Chief...

This is the feminised liberal getting off his helicopter in New York on Sunday. It is now known by the Marines as the "Semper Latte" salute.

Greg

[moralist]

The objective reality of moral law operates on Earth impersonally and ubiquitously just like gravity... and no one can escape it.

Except for Stalin who died peacefully in his sleep.

Says who?

He did not escape what he became as the result of what he did... and neither do you... nor I... nor anyone else on this Earth.

Greg

[Gary Fisher]

Talk about telegraphing a punch.

Do you honestly believe that anything Obama said told ISIS anything they didn't know already? It's not like he announced the specific locations to be bombed.

What he SHOULD have said if anything at all is.

If he didn't say anything at all, no one would know whether or not he was doing anything at all.

I'm going to seek congressional approval to declare war on Islamic State. Statehood has responsibilities and your about to suffer the consequences of them.

If he sought congressional approval and didn't get it, which is the most likely outcome, his hands would be tied. And even if he did get it, he isn't getting anything from it that he didn't have already. Regardless of the outcome, strategically, it was a much smarter idea to not seek approval.

Then he should let his generals decide the course of action to deal with fighting them. That's what they are there for.

Who do you think decides these things?

[Francisco Ferrer]

Says who?

He did not escape what he became as the result of what he did... and neither do you... nor I... nor anyone else on this Earth.

Greg

Stalin died of a stroke March 5, 1953, at the age of 74. What does "He did not escape what he became as the result of what he did" mean?

That he got punished? Was it before or after he died? Who performed this punishment? Was it as severe as the horrors he visited on the millions of people he tortured and killed?

Where is the evidence for all this?

[Jules Troy]

Talk about telegraphing a punch.

Do you honestly believe that anything Obama said told ISIS anything they didn't know already? It's not like he announced the specific locations to be bombed.

What he SHOULD have said if anything at all is.

If he didn't say anything at all, no one would know whether or not he was doing anything at all.

I'm going to seek congressional approval to declare war on Islamic State. Statehood has responsibilities and your about to suffer the consequences of them.

If he sought congressional approval and didn't get it, which is the most likely outcome, his hands would be tied. And even if he did get it, he isn't getting anything from it that he didn't have already. Regardless of the outcome, strategically, it was a much smarter idea to not seek approval.

Then he should let his generals decide the course of action to deal with fighting them. That's what they are there for.

Who do you think decides these things?

[Jules Troy]

Obviously HE does..

If he is going to fight them it had better be to win not this crap like in Afghanistan where you pick at them for thirteen years. Demolish them completely then leave but make sure you do it right.

[Gary Fisher]

Obviously HE does..

He most certainly does not.

If he is going to fight them it had better be to win not this crap like in Afghanistan where you pick at them for thirteen years. Demolish them completely then leave but make sure you do it right.

We weren't merely "picking at them for thirteen years" like in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda was actually defeated very quickly and efficiently. The remainder of that time was spent a) tracking down and killing Osama bin Laden and b) rebuilding the Afghani state.